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[Helen]

Other than the Millennial reign being a reign of peace...I really haven't thought much about it.
Obviously Millennium means 1000 years...so not eternal. ( do people die during it, or live right through it ?)
Who makes it into the Millennial reign ? I know the rest of the dead sleep until the 1000 years are over.
The New heaven and new earth comes after.

I know that making it into the millennium is something to be desired...but really I have heard little teaching about it...it hardly gets a mention.

Anyone?

 

[Job]

I know that making it into the millennium is something to be desired...but really I have heard little teaching about it...it hardly gets a mention.

That's because people don't understand it....including myself. I tried to do some studying on it but I have the attention span of a gnat. I would always get sidetracked.

Anyway, here's something I found that struck me as odd. While reading through 2 Peter 3, I came upon a verse that seemed so out of place.

2 Peter 3
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


One day as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. What if the Millennial reign isn't a thousand years in length? Is it possible the Millennial reign is only one day in length and not a thousand years?

I have no idea. Just thought I'd share this with you and get your thoughts. I have no knowledge of what that verse actually means but it does mean something, otherwise it wouldn't be there.

I just had another thought. I bet this is how false doctrines get started.

Anyway...
k

 

[Dcopymope]

Other than the Millennial reign being a reign of peace...I really haven't thought much about it.
Obviously Millennium means 1000 years...so not eternal. ( do people die during it, or live right through it ?)

Who makes it into the Millennial reign ? I know the rest of the dead sleep until the 1000 years are over.
The New heaven and new earth comes after.

I know that making it into the millennium is something to be desired...but really I have heard little teaching about it...it hardly gets a mention.

Anyone?

The curse of death for the bride of Christ will no longer apply during the millennial reign, but for the world at large, death will be the last enemy to be defeated at the throne judgement after this period.

(Revelation 20:4-6) "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. {5} But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. {6} Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

The promise of a new heaven and earth:

(Isaiah 65:17) "¶ For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

Christs reign over the world before its regeneration:

(Isaiah 65:18-25) "But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. {19} And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying. {20} There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed. {21} And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them. {22} They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands. {23} They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them. {24} And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear. {25} The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent’s meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD."

 

[Helen]

I tried to do some studying on it but I have the attention span of a gnat.

One day as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. What if the Millennial reign isn't a thousand years in length? Is it possible the Millennial reign is only one day in length and not a thousand years?

I have no idea. Just thought I'd share this with you and get your thoughts. I have no knowledge of what that verse actually means but it does mean something, otherwise it wouldn't be there.

I just had another thought. I bet this is how false doctrines get started.

Anyway...
k

Thanks for that. I've been checking, and it seems that because so many scriptures , especially in Revelation, mention a 1000 years....it seems that it is that long.
I wish there was a "picture" time line...so we could see it laid out in order from where we are now...and the "coming of the Lord" etc...
My brain is like a peanut ..small...
I wonder if people will still sin in the millennium? Satan is bound, so the Tempter is not at work. But sin seems a deep rooted thing from Adam. So it seems like the potential would still be there. But, I have no clue.
The world will be dominated by righteousness, so any sin that did crop up would be dealt with fairly and in grace.
Peace and joy abounds...it kind of sounds like 'heaven' before the final resurrection, and 'the rest of the story.'

It kind of blows my mind..
Who qualifies for this? What are the qualification to enter?

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The promise of a new heaven and earth:

Christ's reign over the world before its regeneration:

Thanks for reponce...
So,
is this the 'beginning of' the New heaven and New earth, or does it precede the New heaven and Earth?
I shamefully admit I did study this once when I was young...but I am totally rusty now..( if indeed I did learned anything concrete at that time...it's gone now...)

 

[Dcopymope]

Thanks for reponce...
So,
is this the 'beginning of' the New heaven and New earth, or does it precede the New heaven and Earth?
I shamefully admit I did study this once when I was young...but I am totally rusty now..( if indeed I did learned anything concrete at that time...it's gone now...)

Death is still a thing in those particular scriptures, so it precedes the new heaven and earth.

 

[ScottA]

Other than the Millennial reign being a reign of peace...I really haven't thought much about it.
Obviously Millennium means 1000 years...so not eternal. ( do people die during it, or live right through it ?)
Who makes it into the Millennial reign ? I know the rest of the dead sleep until the 1000 years are over.
The New heaven and new earth comes after.

I know that making it into the millennium is something to be desired...but really I have heard little teaching about it...it hardly gets a mention.

Anyone?

The "thousand years" is a figure of speech, as is "a time, times, and half a time." More importantly to our understanding, is that it represents a period of Christ's reign on earth.

So...when did Christ gain his victory? When did He overcome the world? At the cross, of course. That marks the beginning of His reign on earth. And is He now not victorious, has the world been given back to Satan? No. These too are the "times" of His reign on earth.

"The rest of the dead sleeping until the thousand years is finished", tells us that those who looked forward and believed in the promise of the coming of the Christ, but died before His coming, did not parish, but are "sealed" until "the day of the Lord." Alternatively, we are "the living" who are "alive at His coming (at His return)." And because He has gone to the Father, whom is spirit, His return is in the spirit. He has not left us nor forsaken us, but is in us - because, He came and does come "quickly", just as He said.

 

[Truth]

Well I must admit that I to am a little short on understanding. I believe that the Millennial reign will be 1000 of our years, I also believe that the Scripture in 2nd Peter 3 vers 8- But beloved, be not Ignorant of this one thing, that one day with the Lord is as a 1000 yrs, and a 1000 yrs as a day, I do not think that time is an issue with the Lord. Also this one Question, the only time Jesus actually declares to any one that He is the Savior, is to the Samaritan woman at the well. and the Scripture says that Jesus remained with them for Two Days, it says it twice. He reveals Himself to Gentiles only, "Will the time of the Gentiles be 2ooo yrs?" as for there being them that die during the Millennial reign, again I do not think so, the key here is I [think]. but this will be a good reason to search the Scriptures for understanding! Good Thread, this is one of the reasons I came onto this Site! others Questions create desire for understanding = encouragement that uplifts! Thanks "ByGrace'

 

[Helen]

Wow, great posts here. This gives me LOTS of things to re read slowly....and get it all sorted out in my heart.
Thank you very much.
But don't stop...if you have more...share it! :)

 

[Truth]

I have done a quick reference check about the thousand years, Psalms 90 vers1-4 - Lord thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. -2- Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art GOD. 3- Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men. 4- For a Thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

 

[Stranger]

Other than the Millennial reign being a reign of peace...I really haven't thought much about it.
Obviously Millennium means 1000 years...so not eternal. ( do people die during it, or live right through it ?)
Who makes it into the Millennial reign ? I know the rest of the dead sleep until the 1000 years are over.
The New heaven and new earth comes after.

I know that making it into the millennium is something to be desired...but really I have heard little teaching about it...it hardly gets a mention.

Anyone?

One will have the same view of, or interpret the 'millennium', as they do the 'kingdom of God'.

I see the millennium as a literal, yet future, 1000 year reign of Christ on earth, with Jesus Christ physically present in Jerusalem ruling over Israel who in turns rules over the other nations.

The Church, of which you and I are part of, was removed from the earth to Heaven to be with Christ at the rapture prior to the Tribulation. We will be ruling and reigning with Him.

After the Tribulation there are many still alive on earth. Those who are not believers God judges and they are sent to everlasting punishment. Those who are believers, which include believing Israel and Gentile nations, enter the millennium, the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth.

People will still die but the life expectancy has been lengthened, much like it was prior to the flood. People will still have children. People still have a sin nature, but satan has been bound for that 1000 year reign.

The rest of the dead who sleep until the 1000 year reign is over, are the unbelieving. They will be raised, get their bodies back, and at the end of the millennium will be judged at the Great White throne judgement. They will then be tossed into the Lake of Fire.

As I said, how one interprets the kingdom, or the Bible for that matter, will determine how you view the millennium.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

But sin seems a deep rooted thing from Adam. So it seems like the potential would still be there. But, I have no clue.

if there is no free will to commit sin, then God has just remade robots, or angels, essentially.

 

[bbyrd009]

The world will be dominated by righteousness

consider the world as it is today from the world of even 500 years ago. We have come a long way in a short time. Granted, we are in an empire in decline/decadence at the moment, and feeling the pain of that, but this too will pass i guess.

 

[Helen]

if there is no free will to commit sin, then God has just remade robots, or angels, essentially.

There will for sure be free will. It's just that satan is bound...so the temper cannot tempt to sin. That does not mean that our own will is bound. Let's remember that satan and one third of the Angels fell in the first place, there was nothing tempting them, except what was "within" them. Surely this would be the same? So..in that light 'free -will' it is still very much in place, as I see things.
This to me...it is the great test of - 'How much do we really love Him!!!'

Love is always the measuring tape. That's why I believe so strongly that God won't give a fig about right or wrong doctrine , He will test us ( hearts) by fire, each one of us..and as " Our God is a consuming fire" and "God IS Love" ...that to me ( Love) is the acid test of -
" Well done thou good and faithful servant enter in to the joy of the Lord", or not!!

LOL , but hey, what on earth do I know!! :)

 

[bbyrd009]

That does not mean that our own will is bound.

hmm, i think it does, or would.

 

[Job]

That's why I believe so strongly that God won't give a fig about right or wrong doctrine

1 Corinthians 1
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


If the Father doesn't care whether we got it right or not, then Christ died for nothing.
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[Helen]

1 Corinthians 1
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


If the Father doesn't care whether we got it right or not, then Christ died for nothing.
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Maybe I said it badly. What I mean is...the ONLY thing we need to get " right" is believing in the great salvation sacrifice of Jesus Christ for us.....the unfathomable love of God , which bypasses our understanding....and the total integrity of God nature. Other than that , who is right or wrong in doctrines is of little important ..but wether we keep Jesus commands " Love God, Love neighbour" ...to me , is where God will weigh and measure us! He will look at the heart, not our " correct dictrine"
I think many people are more interested in doctrine ( and pointing the finger st others doctrine) ...than keeping the weeds out of their own " garden" ...and investing in The Love Of God.

But, that's just my own two cents.

 

[Helen]

hmm, i think it does, or would.

I would say that any ' binding' is like in the OT...the slave who was set free, after doing all his years....but chose to stay with His master as a " love slave" ...he had his ear put up to the door post and his ear drilled through ... and a nail hole made ...to show everyone that he was FREE , but was staying with the master, for love sake.

That is how I see it. ( I'm on my iPad, so I can't check the scripture for that ) ..I am iPad challenged!!!! :)...

 

[Job]

I think many people are more interested in doctrine ( and pointing the finger st others doctrine) ...than keeping the weeds out of their own " garden" ...and investing in The Love Of God.

I understand. I will refrain...

 

[Truth]

I would say that any ' binding' is like in the OT...the slave who was set free, after doing all his years....but chose to stay with His master as a " love slave" ...he had his ear put up to the door post and his ear drilled through ... and a nail hole made ...to show everyone that he was FREE , but was staying with the master, for love sake.

That is how I see it. ( I'm on my iPad, so I can't check the scripture for that ) ..I am iPad challenged!!!! :)...

This is the Law of the Bond servant, Now consider Jesus as the Master ! I love my master, I love the wife my Master gave me, I love the Children that I have by the Wife my Master gave me, and for the Sake of Love I will not Go out A Free Man. I Paul a Bond Servant to Jesus Christ, this is a true Bond Slave [Servant], for the sake of His love for Jesus He forfeited his Life to Serve.

Back to the 1000 yrs - In Genesis, God told Adam that in the day that you eat of the fruit of the tree in the midst of the Garden you shall surly Die, Adam lived to be 930 years! but he did Die in that 1000 year Day.

 

[Truth]

if there is no free will to commit sin, then God has just remade robots, or angels, essentially.

If Satin was an angel, what constituted being Rebellious against God! was it by a choice, if so then He had a will to do so, along with one third of the other angels. The very first Rebellion, the first to provoke Murder, and the first to promote a Lie!!! I believe that during the Millennial Reign, only the temptation of sin, or lack of temptation, along with everyone being taught the truth, with complete understanding will maintain peace. but after, we read that there will be those that again rebel against God, and therefore we have the final battle, and the end of all Evil.