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[SIZE=10pt]Yes Jim, I believe it. But, we need the rest of it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]25[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (Joh 11:25-26 KJV)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Again, Jesus is speaking of the resurrection. Notice He says, “though he were dead, yet shall he live.” So, we have a guy who was dead and then he lives. He continues, “whosoever liveth” the guy who was dead and is now alive (resurrected) and “believeth in me shall never die” It’s the guy who has been resurrected and believes in Christ that will never die. Remember, all will be resurrected but only those who believe will never die. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]I agree. The point is that from God’s perspective all are live. God has the power to and will raise all from the dead. However, that doesn’t mean that the dead are alive now. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Jim, Jesus states plainly that what happened on the mountain was a vision.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]3[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. (Mat 17:3-9 KJV)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]If it was actually Moses and he wasn’t in a body, why do you suppose Peter wanted to make a tabernacle for him? A ghost wouldn’t need a tabernacle.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man has been addressed in this thread already. I submit that it is about the demise of the priesthood and not about the afterlife.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Jim, if these are ghosts, who are they witnessing to? I don’t know of people who have spoken to Moses or Abraham or Gideon, etc. In Hebrews 11 Paul describes what they did by faith that is the witness. Men of old who remained faithful.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]3[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] 9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead. (Mat 17:3-9 KJV)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] Young’s Literal translation uses the term “age-during.” The word aionios is the adjective form of the word aion. Aion means an age. An age is just length of time that is not defined by the definition. It must be defined by other parameters. Scientists today use the word as in the bronze age or the iron age etc. The length of the age is defined by something outside of the definition, in this case the length of time these metals had priority. So, if something says “aionios” life there needs to be something to define that time.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]It’s not a study of Greek that shows aionios doesn’t mean eternal, it’s Scripture. There are ordinances of the Mosaic Law that are said to be forever, Owlam in the Hebrew and aion in Greek. However, Paul and Jesus both said that the law came to an end. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]KJV [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]Leviticus 7:34[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] For the wave breast and the heave shoulder have I taken of the children of Israel from off the sacrifices of their peace offerings, and have given them unto Aaron the priest and unto his sons by a statute for ever from among the children of Israel. (Lev 7:34 KJV)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]According to this passage this ordinance of the Mosaic Law and Aaronic priesthood is an ordinance forever, however, Jesus said the Law and the prophets were until John. Paul said the Law had been done away with and the priesthood had changed. Christ in the high priest now. So, there’s no way that ordinance can be forever. There are more of those ordinances in Mosaic Law that in the English are said to be forever, yet can’t be.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]No, I’m not 7th Day Adventist and I don’t know about E.G. White. I do however; know what the Scriptures say about this subject and where this idea, that man lives one after death, came from. It’s source is Greek Philosophy and has its roots with Plato. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]What I gave you was directly from the Scriptures in Gen 2. You won’t find a single passage of Scripture that says man “IS” a spirit. God said man is dust.[/SIZE]
Hi ATP,
I'm puzzles that you see Isaiah as figurative yet take the figurative book literally. I think there is enough proof if we understand that man if flesh and not spirit. If man is flesh then it would seem most certainly that the Lake of fire is on the earth. I submit that man doesn't leave the earth. You said you don't think the Lake of Fire is on earth. I don't recall any Scripture giving the location so why do you believe that?
Yes, they come back together. Ezekiel 37 gives an example of the resurrection and in it we see how God puts people back together and puts "HIS" breath back into them. If they're not destroyed there would be no need to put them back together.