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I do as well. I don't have time for all that idolatry. I have also placed everyone who doesn't believe Jesus is God on ignore. It just boggles my mind who anyone would say they're a Christian and then throw out soooo much of the Word so they can hang onto false doctrine. Really, it's blasphemy. I believe this is part of the falling away (from the faith) and people giving heed to seducing spirits and false doctrines.
What about the statement now?
We could ask and answer, How can a Christian or a Jew be God?
We could also ask and answer, How can a man be God?
The first step though, it seems to me, is to ask and answer the basic question, Can a man be God?
If the answer is no, then there’s no need to ask how.
If the answer is yes, then we need to ask how.
I'm trying to do that too as I have no desire to be continually bombarded with heresy.
It is by faith we can see and believe that Jesus is God - fully man and fully God. Logic doesn't come into this at all, just as logically a virgin can't give birth.
I don't have two natures but I do have three parts to me, to who I am; I have my body, my intellect and my soul.
This verse speaks of the body (joints and marrow) as well as the soul and the spirit.
Hebrews 4:12
[12]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
If that’s what you see and believe by faith then that’s what you see and believe. The problem I have with that is deciding that that’s what other people must see and believe in order to be Christian. That’s the path the RCC took and Protestantism, for the most part, has stayed on that path. There was a time in Church history when what you see and believe isn’t what the Church saw and believed.
The Bible itself doesn’t require anyone to believe “Jesus is God - fully man and fully God.” That comes from the Church; we can locate it in Church history, centuries after the apostles died.
I believe Jesus is God. I believe Jesus is a human person. There’s no room for me in your faith tradition. I would have been persecuted, tortured, and killed by your spiritual ancestors.
Logic did come into it for those who eventually developed the doctrine of the hypostatic union.
With the technology available today, virgins may become pregnant and give birth without engaging in sexual relations with a man.
That technology wasn’t available until late in the 20th century. There are reported cases of women becoming pregnant without having sexual relations with a man. How much stock we should put in those reports is debatable.
Setting all that aside, it’s logical to me that God could miraculously cause a virgin to become pregnant and give birth without the virgin having sexual relations with a man - and perish the thought that God would have to have sexual relations with a virgin in order to work the miracle.
I believe in the virgin birth. I believe Jesus was miraculously begotten by the Father and conceived by the virgin, Mary. That places the origin of Jesus in the womb of his mother.
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Why do you people completely and willfully ignore the parts of scripture that you don't want to see?? I know that you can read and that you see the word "spirit" in that scripture.
Zechariah 7:11
[11]But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Matthew 13:14-15
[14]And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
[15]For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
@theefaith which translation(s) of the Bible do you use? I assume you use one or more Catholic translation. I’ve used both Catholic and Protestant translations when posting to you. Are you amenable to Protestant translations or do you insist on a Catholic translation?
I grabbed this on the fly. I haven’t read the article in full. I didn’t even bother to check to see who wrote it. It could have been typed by a chimpanzee for all I know. Whatever the source, it contains the concept I searched for.
“We need to walk according to the divine nature, partake of the divine nature, and express the divine nature …”
(agodman, “Experiencing the Transformed Human Nature, Standing in Faith, and Being Balanced”)
Experiencing the Transformed Human Nature, Standing in Faith, and Being Balanced
Out and about, but I’ll return later this afternoon.
“We need to walk according to the divine nature, partake of the divine nature, and express the divine nature …”
(agodman, “Experiencing the Transformed Human Nature, Standing in Faith, and Being Balanced”)
Experiencing the Transformed Human Nature, Standing in Faith, and Being Balanced
Out and about, but I’ll return later this afternoon.
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