A Simple Overview of Revelation

[Willie T]

I found this to be pretty good.
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[Enoch111]

When a guy labels LITERAL VISIONS as "symbolic visions" you know he is TOTALLY OFF BASE.

 

[Helen]

...or maybe, it just doesn't line up with 'your' vision of end times. :)

I found it very well put together. I've always believed most of Rev is symbolic
God is painting 'pictures' for us.

 

[Willie T]

When a guy labels LITERAL VISIONS as "symbolic visions" you know he is TOTALLY OFF BASE.

As I said earlier, our preconceived notions of what are "facts" will build our doctrine. LOL

 

[Enoch111]

As I said earlier, our preconceived notions of what are "facts" will build our doctrine. LOL

Well this guys preconceptions are that Revelation is all symbolic. Which is UTTER NONSENSE. Those literal visions present literal spiritual realities. There is a literal throne of God in Heaven (for example, since he used that to illustrate "symbolic visions"). And if this guy can't believe this basic truth, he does not really believe the Bible.

 

[Enoch111]

...or maybe, it just doesn't line up with 'your' vision of end times.

If you believe his nonsense, then everything in Scripture should be taken as symbolic, which would thoroughly undermine the Gospel. Here is what would be taught: a symbolic Christ died on a symbolic cross to pay for symbolic sins. Heaven is symbolic and so is Hell. So why worry? Eat, drink, and be merry, because everything is an illusion. But Gautama Buddha already taught that, and now these false teachers are teaching the same nonsense.

 

[Helen]

If you believe his nonsense, then everything in Scripture should be taken as symbolic, which would thoroughly undermine the Gospel. Here is what would be taught: a symbolic Christ died on a symbolic cross to pay for symbolic sins. Heaven is symbolic and so is Hell. So why worry? Eat, drink, and be merry, because everything is an illusion. But Gautama Buddha already taught that, and now these false teachers are teaching the same nonsense.

What I mean is. There is no "throne of God"....like the Queen has. It is symbolic.

God does not have a bottom which needs to be placed on a chair/throne.
God speaks to us in pictures, as Ant-talk or mouse talk. There is no way our minds can picture heaven , throne, or anything else.

That is why so often God writes "likened to"... in the bible.

 

[Willie T]

Poor God! Some of us have relegated Him to an eternity of sitting on a slab of stone in a tiny corner of His creation.

 

[Jon Mathews]

What I mean is. There is no "throne of God"....like the Queen has. It is symbolic.

God does not have a bottom which needs to be placed on a chair/throne.
God speaks to us in pictures, as Ant-talk or mouse talk. There is no way our minds can picture heaven , throne, or anything else.

That is why so often God writes "likened to"... in the bible.

I disagree. Ezekiel, Daniel, and John the Revelator all saw the Throne of God and saw God SEATED on it. If they saw it, it's not merely symbolic.
Revelation 4:2-10
Isaiah 6:1-5
Daniel 7:9-10
Ezekiel 1:26
Revelation 5:1

 

[Helen]

I disagree. Ezekiel, Daniel, and John the Revelator all saw the Throne of God and saw God SEATED on it. If they saw it, it's not merely symbolic.
Revelation 4:2-10
Isaiah 6:1-5
Daniel 7:9-10
Ezekiel 1:26
Revelation 5:1

Whatever you say.

...they were still human, with a human mind...they too saw it as God revealed it, in a way that 'they' could understand.

 

[Jon Mathews]

Whatever you say.

...they were still human, with a human mind...they two saw it as God revealed it in a way they could understand.

It's not really whatever I say at all. It's whatever the Scriptures say. And the Scriptures say the Prophets and Apostles saw the Throne and saw God seated on it. To say God is seated on His throne is not limiting God.... a spirit can be seated in Heaven and in our hearts on earth at the same time. And God's literal throne and Him literally seated on it does represent a lot, but it's not just a representation of some other fact.... it's a fact itself.

 

[101G]

Addressing the OP, the overview of Revelation is right at the beginning. Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John".

that's the OVERVIEW, the Revelation of Jesus christ as God in flesh.

PICJAG.

ps I'm just now viewing your youtube.

 

[Willie T]

I love all this "Literal" talk. As if Christ would ride around trying to clamp a sword in His mouth.

 

[Jon Mathews]

I love all this "Literal" talk. As if Christ would ride around trying to clamp a sword in His mouth.

When His Tongue comes out of His mouth as a sword and kills all the followers of the Anti-Christ, you will understand the Sword of the Spirit.

 

[Willie T]

When His Tongue comes out of His mouth as a sword and kills all the followers of the Anti-Christ, you will understand the Sword of the Spirit.

Even with that, here you are finding yourself forced into admitting that what you envision isn't what is "literally" written.

 

[Jon Mathews]

Even with that, here you are finding yourself forced into admitting that what you envision isn't what is "literally" written.

A sword has two sides, just like the tongue. When possessed by the Holy Spirit, it flicks around with power, like a flame of fire or a expert swordsman. Jesus' Tongue will slay the Multitudes of the Beast. It's more powerful than a literal sword. It's the literal Sword of the Spirit.

 

[Helen]

I love all this "Literal" talk. As if Christ would ride around trying to clamp a sword in His mouth.

I so agree.
Some need to "Come up higher" and hear by the Spirit and not just go by what their minds 'see' when reading it.

 

[Helen]

A sword has two sides, just like the tongue. When possessed by the Holy Spirit, it flicks around with power, like a flame of fire or a expert swordsman. Jesus' Tongue will slay the Multitudes of the Beast. It's more powerful than a literal sword. It's the literal Sword of the Spirit.

And, right there you have spoken spiritually, not literally. It's not a literal sword.

 

[Jon Mathews]

I so agree.
Some need to "Come up higher" and hear by the Spirit and not just go by what their minds 'see' when reading it.

The same Spirit that speaks the Word, also gives the Vision.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Someone please explain to me how claiming a book in the bible is symbolic (so you can't apply a literal meaning to it) when the symbols have a very profound literal meaning to it.
Example...Daniel interpreting Nebuchadnezzar's dream. It was all symbolic of a literal event that would take place at a future time.
I guess I could be misunderstanding what the poster is really saying so that is why I am asking for clarity. Thanks