A Spirit of Unbelief

[MatthewG]

@Episkopos

holiness is being set apart from the world.

That is the definition. Being set apart, God is holy he is set apart from the world.

Only Christ within a person set them apart from the world though they have to live and function in the world; and go through emotions, and live in a fleshly body that only knows fleshly pleasure.

Those who follow after Christ set themselves apart from the world though they actively have to be in it. Otherwise they would have to kill themselves to escape this flesh. God so loved the world he sent his son to save it.

“My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭20‬-‭21‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Galatians 2:21 I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die. | New Living Translation (NLT) | Download The Bible App Now

I do not treat the grace of God as meaningless. For if keeping the law could make us right with God, then there was no need for Christ to die.

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People can be rich, poor, have jobs, enjoy entertainment, whatever. However to be set apart in having idenity in Christ is to believe, follow and abide in Him; apart from him they cant do anything (that is good by the heavenly standards.) Anything that is right or just to do that comes through this, is the righteousness of Christ and its part of the response of the one who chooses to do the will of God rather than their own will.

Holiness is similar to godliness - its being set apart for the purposes of God while living a life devoted to God in understanding while they once lived a life full of sinful indilgences (that is murderous thoughts, envy, hatred, etc.) those things are died to by going to the cross, buried with Christ, and newness of life by the spirit raising to newness of life in Christ.

“And then he added, “It is what comes from inside that defiles you. For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.””
‭‭Mark‬ ‭7‬:‭20‬-‭23‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Mark 7:20-23 And then he added, “It is what comes from inside that defiles you. For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, | New Living Translation (NLT) | Dow

And then he added, “It is what comes from inside that defiles you. For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit,

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And that is a relationship that has to be self maintained every single day of life until one dies.

“But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭9‬-‭11‬ ‭NLT‬‬

Romans 8:9-11 But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in | New Living Translation (NLT) | Do

But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that tho...

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[MatthewG]

@Episkopos

holiness is being set apart from the world.

That is the definition. Being set apart, God is holy he is set apart from the world.

Only Christ within a person set them apart from the world though they have to live and function in the world; and go through emotions, and live in a fleshly body that only knows fleshly pleasure.

Those who follow after Christ set themselves apart from the world though they actively have to be in it. Otherwise they would have to kill themselves to escape this flesh. God so loved the world he sent his son to save it.


People can be rich, poor, have jobs, enjoy entertainment, whatever. However to be set apart in having idenity in Christ is to believe, follow and abide in Him; apart from him they cant do anything (that is good by the heavenly standards.) Anything that is right or just to do that comes through this, is the righteousness of Christ and its part of the response of the one who chooses to do the will of God rather than their own will.

Holiness is similar to godliness - its being set apart for the purposes of God while living a life devoted to God in understanding while they once lived a life full of sinful indilgences (that is murderous thoughts, envy, hatred, etc.) those things are died to by going to the cross, buried with Christ, and newness of life by the spirit raising to newness of life in Christ.



And that is a relationship that has to be self maintained every single day of life until one dies.

In case people dont believe it is the defintion, here is the greek. Strong's Greek: 40. ἅγιος (hagios) -- sacred, holy

Its always worth going to see these defintions; they are more defined than the natural english.

40 hágios – properly, different (unlike), other("otherness"), holy; for the believer, 40(hágios) means "likeness of nature with the Lord" because "different from the world."

The fundamental (core) meaning of 40(hágios) is "different" – thus a temple in the 1st century was hagios ("holy") because different from other buildings (Wm. Barclay). In the NT, 40 /hágios ("holy") has the "technical" meaning "different from the world" because "like the Lord."

[40 (hágios) implies something "set apart" and therefore "different(distinguished/distinct)" – i.e. "other," because special to the Lord.]

 

[Taken]

We can have faith in God in spite of our beliefs.

We…..are the created.
God…is the creator.
God…is the GIVER
We (man)…is the RECEIVER

We….freely decide/choose OUR beliefs.
God…BLESSES “we/us” with “His” GIFT of “FAITH”, according to HIS WAY (ie TERMS).

Gods (WAY/ Terms) of His GIFT of FAITH IS;
Given IN “Measures”.
* A measure of Faith…FOR the man Hearing Gods word.
* A measure of Faith…FOR the man Believing Gods word.
* A measure of Faith…FOR the man (Heartfully) Confessing his BELIEF IN God and His Word.

* The man can CONTINUE Hearing Gods word and INCREASE the Measure of receiving Gods Gift of Faith….OR NOT.
* The man can CONTINUE Believing Gods word and INCREASE the Measure of receiving Gods Gift of Faith….OR NOT.
** The man CAN “relinquish” his own authority of his Bellief by, through, of the man’s Heartful CONFESSION OF BELIEF….
UNTO Gods Authority and Gods Power….
FOR GODS POWER TO: Forever KEEP that man IN BELIEF and Forever KEEP that man in Receipt of Gods Gift of FAITH.

A man hearing Gods word…is the mans CHOICE and the mans CHOICE to continue OR NOT.
A man believing Gods word…is the mans
CHOICE and the mans CHOICE to continue
OR NOT.

Scriptural FACTS…
”as long as the man IS believing….God SHALL BE “WITH” that man.”

Scriptural FACTS…
“should the man CHOOSE to STOP believing…that man has CHOSEN to LEAVE being “WITH” God…
AND SO ALSO SHALL God STOP being “WITH” that man.

Scriptural WARNING…
* Powerful Fallen angels roam the Earth searching for men (whose BELIEF IN God and His Word is WEAK, POOR, VACILLATING, UNSURE) TO tickle their ears with EVIL TEMPTING LIES and FALSE promises.
* Powerful positioned men occupy every Nation searching for men (whose BELIEF IN God and His Word is WEAK, POOR, VACILLATING, UNSURE) To tickle their ears with WICKED TEMPTING LIES and FALSE promises.

Scriptural PROMISE…(TO mankind)…
A man WHO freely elects (CHOOSES) to BELIEVE…AND Heartfully CONFESS his BELIEF …
* FOREVER “they shall” BE CONVERTED, RECONCILED, EXEMPTED, KEPT FROM fallen angels EVIL TEMPTATIONS and mens’ WICKED TEMPTATIONS.
* FOR the “entirety” of their BODILY LIFE, and RISEN SPIRITUAL LIFE…God WILL FOREVER BE “WITH” them, and they “WITH” God.
* For the “entirety” of their BODILY LIFE, Gods Spirit/Power WILL BE “IN” them, and they “IN” Gods Spirit/Power.

* And not to DISMISS or IGNORE…the Troubles, the Tribulations, the Hardships which powerful Fallen angels and powerful positioned men WILL at every given opportunity promote, instigate, plot, support, Target causing Troubles, Tribulations, Hardships AGAINST the CONVERTED (WITH and IN Christ the Lord God.)

That's the test of faith. Our beliefs get in the way of faith

A mans STRUGGLE, is BETWEEN TWO of his own INNER “THOUGHT” processes.
* The MIND THOUGHTS ~ continually gaining new Knowledge (some truths / some lies)…and the man ciphering, BY LOGIC of WHAT to BELIEVE between “this and that”.
* The HEART THOUGHTS ~ (is simply the mans TRUTH), which is CALLED the natural mans “spirit”.
* A man is easily CONFLICTED when his (Minds thoughts AND Hearts thoughts are NOT in agreement.)
* Modern Physicians have a WHOLE host of umpteen NAMED “diseases” and a WHOLE host of “pills” for (soothing, band-aiding) the CONFLICTS between the thoughts of the man’s MIND and the man’s HEART.
* GOD has a permanent SOLUTION…
CONVERSION.
* Gods Power, Gods SEED to birth the man A NEW “SPIRIT”, A NEW TRUTH, Gods TRUTH, and Gods Power forward TO THE man, FOR:
The man to have the TOOLS (POWER), to “MAKE the thoughts of His MIND, SUBJECTED TO; Gods TRUE THOUGHTS IN the man’s HEART.

TEST THAT!

As in..I believe Lord, help thou my unbelief. We can stop limiting God.

We have not the power to LIMIT God.
God Himself gives us His Knowledge AND the Consequences (Results) for Accepting His Knowledge or Rejecting His Knowledge.

There is a gift of faith from God, yes...to do things on a miraculous level. But we are to walk by faith in what He has commanded us with whatever faith we have.

Yes…FAITH is a Gift that Gods possesses and gives in measures to a man Freely WILLING to receive.
Yes…For a man to RECEIVE Gods Gift of “soul SALVATION”, “only” a small measure of Gods Gift of FAITH is required.
For a man to RECEIVE “greater/increased gifts From God requires the mans receipt of greater/increased FAITH”.
A mans Increased receipt of FAITH, prepares the man TO DO “works” before and toward other men THAT GLORIFIES GOD and HIS GREAT NAME….(which God Himself KEEPS His own books and records IN Heaven of EVERY deed a man DOES before and toward other men THAT Glorifies God and His Great Name…(These rewards are Called Treasures In Heaven.)
AND God SHALL REPAY (His DEBT to each man WHO Glorified God and His Great Name before and to other men) WITH REWARDS, WHEN the Lord returns.

Faith and belief are not synonymous. Faith trusts that God can do what He has said He would do.

BELIEF is the mans “works”.
TRUST IN God, is the mans “CHOICE” to BELIEVE, or NOT.
FAITH is a “Gift” that belongs to God, that God Himself Gives a man, or NOT.
TESTING is a man “Experiencing/ Observing the manifestation/fruition OF Gods blessings, gifts, and truth.
TRUST is a man “Having experienced Gods blessings, gifts, truth…AND concluding God does NOT FAIL…thus maintaining TRUST”.

God is NOT lax in Giving mankind His TRUTH.
Not a secret mankind IS “impatient.”
Not a secret GOD gives His “gifts, blessings, rewards” ACCORDING TO His “timetable”.
Not a secret God IS LOVE.
Not a secret LOVE IS “doing” “giving” what “is” the most righteously beneficial toward another….
Not a secret WHEN it is God “doing” “giving” what “is” the most righteously beneficial toward a man….He, the ALL KNOWING, KNOWS the precise time His GIVING “will” most benefit the man.

We can do all things through Christ who strengthens us.

YES!

Or we can allow unbelief to limit God.

* God is NOT LIMITED. He SAVES whom “HE wills”. Every man HAS a DESTINY. God KNOWS and HAS prepared a PLACE for Every man WITH or WITHOUT Him.
* A man CAN Wonder, CAN Hope, CAN Object, CAN Criticize, CAN Learn, CAN Know his OWN Destiny or NOT.

Glory to God,
God Bless Brother,
Taken

 

[Taken]

All have sinned.

Agree. Man is naturally born IN SIN. Man spends a great deal of time growing, maturing, STANDING Against God.

Even the righteous sin.

The RIGHTeous and UNRIGHTeous EQUALLY SIN??

Disagree.

But righteousness is not about perfection...it's about honesty and contrition.

Disagree.
The RIGHTeous ARE “PERFECTED IN CHRIST”.
They have GIVEN their “corrupt” body unto DEATH “Crucified WITH Jesus’ BODY” and LIVE their natural lives “IN” Jesus’ GLORIFIED PERFECTED RISEN BODY…..and Christ’s Perfected Power…
waiting FOR their own BODY to be Risen in Perfect Glory.

Holiness is about having no spot or wrinkle of sin...not righteousness.

Agree Holiness IS being VOID of SIN.
RIGHTeousness, IS a man having freely given his Corrupt Body unto Death FOR his LOVE toward God and RELATIONSHIP with God;
AND ACCEPTING Christ’s Power and Jesus’ Risen body as his temporary HOLY DWELLING place….simply called BAPTIZED IN the Spirit of God, called CONVERTED “IN” CHRST.

SUCH a man HAS sin IN his BODY…FORGIVEN and COVERED sin, that God does NOT See nor REMEMBER….
And THAT body waits, experiences physical death and SHALL experience being risen in his own new perfect, sinless, holy body VOID of his forgiven and covered sin.

SUCH a man CAN NEVER AGAIN SIN…(which IS UNBELIEF IN the the Lord God Almighty)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Its a hog trough the lambs REFUSE to eat from my dear sister . For every WORD of the LORD is prescious in their sight .

The Lord Jesus, IS Gods WORD of TRUTH.
Precious? Yes, Agree.

The Lord Jesus TAUGHT men by, through, of a METHOD called “parables”.

Some 40+ times IN Scripture, Jesus’ TEACHING was expressly CALLED a “parable” (even though ALL of His teachings were “parables”).

EVER NOTICE the “expressly” CALLED “parables” of Jesus’ teachings being PICKED apart, DISSECTED and EXPLAINED and CONCLUDED (by men) THAT Jesus is LYING, TELLING a fanciful MADE UP STORY to MAKE a point?
Utter hogwash. JESUS IS THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH CAN NOT LIE!

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Episkopos]

Agree. Man is naturally born IN SIN. Man spends a great deal of time growing, maturing, STANDING Against God.


The RIGHTeous and UNRIGHTeous EQUALLY SIN??

Disagree.


Disagree.
The RIGHTeous ARE “PERFECTED IN CHRIST”.
They have GIVEN their “corrupt” body unto DEATH “Crucified WITH Jesus’ BODY” and LIVE their natural lives “IN” Jesus’ GLORIFIED PERFECTED RISEN BODY…..and Christ’s Perfected Power…
waiting FOR their own BODY to be Risen in Perfect Glory.







Agree Holiness IS being VOID of SIN.
RIGHTeousness, IS a man having freely given his Corrupt Body unto Death FOR his LOVE toward God and RELATIONSHIP with God;
AND ACCEPTING Christ’s Power and Jesus’ Risen body as his temporary HOLY DWELLING place….simply called BAPTIZED IN the Spirit of God, called CONVERTED “IN” CHRST.

SUCH a man HAS sin IN his BODY…FORGIVEN and COVERED sin, that God does NOT See nor REMEMBER….
And THAT body waits, experiences physical death and SHALL experience being risen in his own new perfect, sinless, holy body VOID of his forgiven and covered sin.

SUCH a man CAN NEVER AGAIN SIN…(which IS UNBELIEF IN the the Lord God Almighty)

Glory to God,
Taken

The Bible has more facets to it than what we are representing so often.

The righteous sin. Of course not as blatantly. The unrighteous sin with their will. And the righteous sin against their will.

But the righteous are NOT the holy.

There are many references in the NT to people who are righteous but not holy.

Zacharias and Elizabeth are obvious ones. We have to let the Bible speak with MORE authority than what we think or have been taught.

Notice.

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


I find modern doctrines are so lopsided that many verses have to be ignored in order to find a way of understanding the whole counsel of God.

I'm a "whole counsel" man...thereby putting me in dire straights with those who have been indoctrinated into a religious form of Christianity.

The truth is far more wonderful than what is being normally taught. It's the sign of the times.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Lord Jesus, IS Gods WORD of TRUTH.
Precious? Yes, Agree.

The Lord Jesus TAUGHT men by, through, of a METHOD called “parables”.

Some 40+ times IN Scripture, Jesus’ TEACHING was expressly CALLED a “parable” (even though ALL of His teachings were “parables”).

EVER NOTICE the “expressly” CALLED “parables” of Jesus’ teachings being PICKED apart, DISSECTED and EXPLAINED and CONCLUDED (by men) THAT Jesus is LYING, TELLING a fanciful MADE UP STORY to MAKE a point?
Utter hogwash. JESUS IS THE TRUTH. THE TRUTH CAN NOT LIE!

Glory to God,
Taken

Point to Christ till the last breath passes out of those lungs .
What we are witnessing is a hostile takeover from within and from without to remove the dire need to Believe on Christ .
Many folks have no idea this was purposefully planned out . remove the fundmental core beleifs
and replace them with what all religoins and peoples have in common . To unify a peoples as one , BUT IT AINT UNDER GOD .
Someone and something has long been at work and it cometh in its own name , desiring all fame honor and glory
and to to worshipped by all as though it be GOD . It aint , its the devil simply working through many
to preach a lie and offer up a love and a unity which will save none and rather cause all to worship the beast as one .
As for the lambs , WE WONT BE HEEDING its voice . LAMBS HEED JESUS who often preached On the dire need to BELIEVE ON HIM .
They try and preach a love thy neighbor and make void the NEED to believe on Christ . YEAH its VAIN ALL RIGHT .
For though that kind of love might have some feed the poor and etc attached to it , THE LIE That saveth NOT
but rather damns IS IN IT . And it sure aint love to allow folks and to teach one has no need to believe on CHRIST .
That sure aint LOVE and it sure aint coming FROM GOD . It cometh from HE who desired and desires to be as GOD
and cannot save a soul but rather leads to destruction and perdition .
But as i love to say and to remind , THE lambs heed not the voice of strangers , THEY FOLLOW THE CHRIST OF GOD
they have eternal life and JESUS goes before them and leads them and HIS VOICE they do heed .

 

[Mikey-for-sure]

The gospel has a perfect correlation to the calling of the Israelites into the Promised Land.

Notice this...

Heb. 3:16 For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Nice verse. Maybe unbelief is akin to delusion.

Isaiah 44
18They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. 19And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? 20He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

 

[Episkopos]

Nice verse. Maybe unbelief is akin to delusion.

Isaiah 44
18They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand. 19And none considereth in his heart, neither is there knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten it: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree? 20He feedeth on ashes: a deceived heart hath turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a lie in my right hand?

Agreed. Unbelief is usually seen as a problem that is limited to unbelievers. Is the Bible written to unbelievers? Can we see ourselves as immune from the delusion of the Israelites who perished in the wilderness? The Bible is written for our instruction. But we have to be willing to question our religious certainties in order to escape the ready-made delusions that seep into the fabric of our understanding.

 

[Behold]

The righteous sin.

You can only "sin" if you are "under the Law" as its the Law that defines the deed as a "sin".

So, "where there is no Law, there is no sin (transgression).".

Which means that for the born again...who are "not under the Law, but under Grace"... the born again will never again be defined by the Law as a "sinner".

See,

"Christ is the END of the LAW....for righteousness, to everyone who believes",.. .and that means that all who did, are born again, as "the righteousness of God, in Christ" and there is no sin found there.

Im not showing you that you can't lie, cheat, steal, ..........anymore.
What im showing you is....

= " Where there is NO LAW, there is no Transgression"....and that means, when the Law is removed....when it has no dominion over you, then it can't define your deeds, at all.

"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law"..

What is that Curse?

Its that the Law DEFINES you as a sinner... and Christ has removed the Law's dominion from the born again, so the Law can no longer define the born again, at all..

The born again are ::: """ NOT under the law.....but under Grace"...

Grace always defines the born again as "made righteous".... "in Christ"....."One with God".

This is the Eternal FRUIT regarding the : "Gift of Salvation"

 

[Episkopos]

You can only "sin" if you are "under the Law" as its the Law that defines the deed as a "sin".

So, "where there is no Law, there is no sin (transgression).".

Which means that for the born again...who are "not under the Law, but under Grace"... the born again will never again be defined by the Law as a "sinner".

See,

"Christ is the END of the LAW....for righteousness, to everyone who believes",.. .and that means that all who did, are born again, as "the righteousness of God, in Christ" and there is no sin found there.

Im not showing you that you can't lie, cheat, steal, ..........anymore.
What im showing you is....

= " Where there is NO LAW, there is no Transgression"....and that means, when the Law is removed....when it has no dominion over you, then it can't define your deeds, at all.

"Christ has redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law"..

What is that Curse?

Its that the Law DEFINES you as a sinner... and Christ has removed the Law's dominion from the born again, so the Law can no longer define the born again, at all..

The born again are ::: """ NOT under the law.....but under Grace"...

Grace always defines the born again as "made righteous".... "in Christ"....."One with God".

This is the Eternal FRUIT regarding the : "Gift of Salvation"

This is promoting lawlessness. Sin is sin. Righteous is as righteous does. Don't fall for the delusion.

We are to turn away from those who deny the power of grace...which is sufficient to overcome sin as Jesus did.

 

[Behold]

This is promoting lawlessness. Sin is sin.

According to your Videos, Posts, and Threads....You are continually promoting the reality that the Cross of Christ, that is the blood atonement, is not within your spiritual comprehension yet.

Listen..

Paul teaches that "works of the Flesh", are the deeds that USE to be defined by the Law as "sin".

But now that "Christ has redeemed the born again from the curse of the Law"... the Law can't define the born again, at all.

= The born again are "NOT under the Law.....but under GRACE"..

See, you mind is thinking... carnally = "well, if God does not see my sin, then i can go and live like the Devil".
And that is always the carnal minded reaction, regarding people who do not understand the Grace of God that is the Cross of Christ.

Now here is your reality Check.....
When a born again believer, understands this amazing Freedom, .. that is to be delivered from the "curse of the Law", their TRUE reaction is always to love God more, and to be more thankful, and more dedicated.

Here is the actual reaction to understanding that all sin is Gone, and the born again are made righteous....

""""The Harlot crawled on her hands and knees, in public, across a dirty floor, to wash Jesus's feet with her tears, and dry them with her hair.""""

Why?
Because she was "FORGIVEN MUCH"..

And the born again are forgiven even MORE, and when we understand this.......we become MORE dedicated to Holiness, Righteousness, and to pleasing God.

 

[Episkopos]

According to your Videos, Posts, and Threads....You are continually promoting the reality that the Cross of Christ, that is the blood atonement, is not within your spiritual comprehension yet.

Quite the opposite. You have made the atonement a license to sin with impunity. Paul warns of making another gospel. That seems to not have sunk into your understanding yet.

Listen..

Paul teaches that "works of the Flesh", are the deeds that USE to be defined by the Law as "sin".

But now that "Christ has redeemed the born again from the curse of the Law"... the Law can't define the born again, at all.

Christ overcame sin...He didn't ignore it. And we are to overcome sin as He did. How? By His strengthening grace. For you grace is a favouritism from God that turns a blind eye to sin. But that form of doctrine is carnal.

= The born again are "NOT under the Law.....but under GRACE"..

Not so. There is a progression you are missing. We are only under grace as we enter into Christ. Most believers walk around with empty lamps. Most believers have not yet grown past their initial sample of grace. It costs us ALL to enter into Christ and walk in the eternal kingdom realm that is without sin.

See, you mind is thinking... carnally = "well, if God does not see my sin, then i can go and live like the Devil".
And that is always the carnal minded reaction, regarding people who do not understand the Grace of God that is the Cross of Christ.

This is false. Those that walk in their own power can still not want to sin....like Paul attests to in Romans 7. The problem is the lack of POWER to not sin. For that we need to go to the cross.

Now here is your reality Check.....
When a born again believer, understands this amazing Freedom, .. that is to be delivered from the "curse of the Law", their TRUE reaction is always to love God more, and to be more thankful, and more dedicated.

We can love God because of His mercy and truth. You are looking at a kind of love that is a spoiled permissiveness..lacking any fear of the Lord whatsoever. You seek a carnal love...not an eternal one. God wants to love the hell OUT of us...not IN us.

Here is the actual reaction to understanding that all sin is Gone, and the born again are made righteous....

No. We are made righteous through faith in God AND our efforts at obedience. The righteous sin...but against their will. Paul said, at that stage, what I don't want to do, I do. That is before He experienced the full measure of grace through abiding in Christ.

""""The Harlot crawled on her hands and knees, in public, across a dirty floor, to wash Jesus's feet with her tears, and dry them with her hair.""""

Why?
Because she was "FORGIVEN MUCH"..

Forgiven yes...not atoned for.

And the born again are forgiven even MORE, and when we understand this.......we become MORE dedicated to Holiness, Righteousness, and to pleasing God.

God is not looking for carnal followers. God is holy. We can follow Christ from any distance we want. But the grace of God is experienced in an ongoing way (by the keeping power of God) by a full surrender and translation INTO Christ to walk as He walked. From there we overcome sin the same way Jesus did. We now have access to the resurrection life of Jesus. The cost is to lose all through the power of the cross.

 

[Taken]

Point to Christ till the last breath passes out of those lungs .
What we are witnessing is a hostile takeover from within and from without to remove the dire need to Believe on Christ .
Many folks have no idea this was purposefully planned out . remove the fundmental core beleifs
and replace them with what all religoins and peoples have in common . To unify a peoples as one , BUT IT AINT UNDER GOD .
Someone and something has long been at work and it cometh in its own name , desiring all fame honor and glory
and to to worshipped by all as though it be GOD . It aint , its the devil simply working through many
to preach a lie and offer up a love and a unity which will save none and rather cause all to worship the beast as one .
As for the lambs , WE WONT BE HEEDING its voice . LAMBS HEED JESUS who often preached On the dire need to BELIEVE ON HIM .
They try and preach a love thy neighbor and make void the NEED to believe on Christ . YEAH its VAIN ALL RIGHT .
For though that kind of love might have some feed the poor and etc attached to it , THE LIE That saveth NOT
but rather damns IS IN IT . And it sure aint love to allow folks and to teach one has no need to believe on CHRIST .
That sure aint LOVE and it sure aint coming FROM GOD . It cometh from HE who desired and desires to be as GOD
and cannot save a soul but rather leads to destruction and perdition .
But as i love to say and to remind , THE lambs heed not the voice of strangers , THEY FOLLOW THE CHRIST OF GOD
they have eternal life and JESUS goes before them and leads them and HIS VOICE they do heed .

Yes. You are identifying consequences for acceptance or rejection of God.

 

[Behold]

Quite the opposite. You have made the atonement a license to sin with impunity.

I didn't "make the atonement", anything... I simply showed you that the Atonement makes the believer "the righteousness of God, in Christ", for eternity...... and that is also related to the Law being removed, regarding its curse.
This curse is still ON the unbeliever, as they are not delivered from the "curse of the Law".

Episkopos, let me show you the curse..
Its this.

"The LAW is the power of SIN"... and "the Power of SIN is the LAW"
So,
"Christ is the END of the LAW for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes..

= The born again, are "NOT... UNDER.... The LAW......but under Grace".

Christ overcame sin...He didn't ignore it.

Wrong again.
Christ never overcame sin, because He never sinned.
What He overcame was "Temptation".... as He was "tempted in all points like we are, YET WITHOUT SIN">

You should study the NT, as its filled with Truth like that, that isn't in your Cult commentaries that own you.

We are only under grace as we enter into Christ.

Entering into spiritual union with God, is the Grace of God = producing that spiritual reality, regarding all the Born again.

"IN Christ" = "ONE with GOD"..... = Born again.

This is false. Those that walk in their own power can still not want to sin....

The NT says that """" ALL have SINNED"">.
So, even if you dont want to do it.........= TOO LATE.

And that is why "Christ came into the world to SAVE SINNERS"... as "all have sinned".

We can love God because of His mercy and truth. You are looking at a kind of love that is a spoiled permissiveness.

Im teaching that the Grace of God, is the Blood Atonement, and this is the New Covenant.
And when a person enters into this BLOOD COVENANT with God, through faith in Christ, becoming born again.... then the LAW's dominion is removed.

"Christ is the END of the LAW, for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes".

Do you understand the definition of the word "END"?

Look it up.

No. We are made righteous through faith in God AND our efforts at obedience.

Paul teaches..

"To him who worketh not, (no works) but BELIEVETH On GOD who Justifies the UNGODLY.... their/our FAITH is counted as Righteousness".

Forgiven yes...not atoned for.

Guess again.

Listen.
The BLood ATONEMENT = , is the Cross of Christ, that is the New Covenant.

God is not looking for carnal followers.

"Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".. and that is God looking for the Carnal, the Lost, the children of the Devil.

God is literally Christ on the Cross, and He died for a sinner like you, Episkopos, so that by this Blood covenant. this BLOOD ATONEMENT..., you, and all of us... can become a child of God.
See, When we give God our faith in Christ, repenting from our unbelief"< God does this..

Philippians 1:6

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I didn't "make the atonement", anything... I simply showed you that the Atonement makes the believer "the righteousness of God, in Christ", for eternity...... and that is also related to the Law being removed, regarding its curse.
This curse is still ON the unbeliever, as they are not delivered from the "curse of the Law".

Episkopos, let me show you the curse..
Its this.

"The LAW is the power of SIN"... and "the Power of SIN is the LAW"
So,
"Christ is the END of the LAW for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes..

= The born again, are "NOT... UNDER.... The LAW......but under Grace".



Wrong again.
Christ never overcame sin, because He never sinned.
What He overcame was "Temptation".... as He was "tempted in all points like we are, YET WITHOUT SIN">

You should study the NT, as its filled with Truth like that, that isn't in your Cult commentaries that own you.




Entering into spiritual union with God, is the Grace of God = producing that spiritual reality, regarding all the Born again.

"IN Christ" = "ONE with GOD"..... = Born again.


The NT says that """" ALL have SINNED"">.
So, even if you dont want to do it.........= TOO LATE.

And that is why "Christ came into the world to SAVE SINNERS"... as "all have sinned".




Im teaching that the Grace of God, is the Blood Atonement, and this is the New Covenant.
And when a person enters into this BLOOD COVENANT with God, through faith in Christ, becoming born again.... then the LAW's dominion is removed.

"Christ is the END of the LAW, for Righteousness, to everyone who Believes".

Do you understand the definition of the word "END"?

Look it up.




Paul teaches..

"To him who worketh not, (no works) but BELIEVETH On GOD who Justifies the UNGODLY.... their/our FAITH is counted as Righteousness".




Guess again.

Listen.
The BLood ATONEMENT = , is the Cross of Christ, that is the New Covenant.




"Jesus came into the world to SAVE SINNERS".. and that is God looking for the Carnal, the Lost, the children of the Devil.

God is literally Christ on the Cross, and He died for a sinner like you, Episkopos, so that by this Blood covenant. this BLOOD ATONEMENT..., you, and all of us... can become a child of God.
See, When we give God our faith in Christ, repenting from our unbelief"< God does this..

Philippians 1:6

it is sad he does not understand the payment for sin.

 

[Behold]

it is sad he does not understand the payment for sin.

It's his commentaries.

They are designed to keep Him away from the Grace of God.

This is always the case with people who are caught up in this type of self righteous net that he teaches.

See......Hebrews 13:9 ... is a MUST DO..... and He didnt do this FIRST., and he is now a victim of that verse, as it explains will happen.

Paul tells us that we MUST ESTABLISH our HEART In and with GRACE.

If we dont, then a heretic/cult will find us, and establish our heart instead in : works, water baptism, sacraments, commandment keeping, and trying to be (self) righteous.

 

[Taken]

The Bible has more facets to it than what we are representing so often.

Sure. God Himself revealed His Knowledge and Taught Little by Little, Bit by Bit. We teach and discuss in the same manner.

The righteous sin. Of course not as blatantly. The unrighteous sin with their will. And the righteous sin against their will.

* There IS “a works (of God)” a man can do. It is called BELIEVING. That IS a RIGHTEOUS act of that man. I’m sure that man IS “accounted” RIGHTEOUS….as LONG AS…he continues BELIEVING.
* That man can BELIEVE IN GOD….YET challenge, question, doubt Gods Word…which IS “accounted” as an “unrighteous ACT” ie SIN Against God….and seek Gods Forgiveness.
* That man WHO physically bodily dies, IN BELIEF, “SHALL” at the TIME of his physical bodily death, have his natural heart (natural truth, ie his natural spirit) SEARCHED (by God)…”IF” that mans natural spirit (natural truth in his natural heart) BELIEVES Gods Word “IS” true…. “THEN SHALL” the Lord God SAVE his soul and QUICKEN his spirit (ie Baptize that mans spirit; it GIVE that mans spirit the SEED of God to birth that man’s NEW spirit)….
“AND” THEN, SHALL that mans BODY return to dust, his Saved soul rise up to Heaven, his Born Again Quickened spirit rise up to Gods Hand in Heaven.

THAT…is a contingent on a mans BELIEF.
THAT…is DIFFERENT than a man WHO…Heartfully BELIEVES…….
AND BECOMES CONVERTED… (while alive in his flesh, and being crucified with Christ).
^^ THAT ^^ man has accomplished BOTH, Heartful BELIEF AND Heartful CONFESSION of his BELIEF…BEFORE his physical death…and “RIGHT THEN” RECEIVES his soul salvation and spirit quickening…(BEFORE his physical death. )
^^ THAT ^^ man can NEVER AGAIN…
STAND Against God IN Disbelief.
STAND Against Gods Word IN Disbelief.

Which is to say…^^ THAT ^^ man can NEVER AGAIN “SIN” Against God.

But the righteous are NOT the holy.

Human men ARE NOT HOLY.
Human men of Dust are FLLESH BODIES, and ARE “waiting” to BECOME MADE HOLY, WHEN they receive their new BODY.

Mean time…men WHO ARE Converted, are soul saved, are spirit quickened are: (using, ie. IN Jesus’ Holy body) AND DIRECTED TO….WALK HOLY…ie. Project themselves as a Holy Representative of Christ Jesus’ Holiness while WALKING “IN” His body.

There are many references in the NT to people who are righteous but not holy.

Zacharias and Elizabeth are obvious ones. We have to let the Bible speak with MORE authority than what we think or have been taught.

Notice.

Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Mark 2:17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


I find modern doctrines are so lopsided that many verses have to be ignored in order to find a way of understanding the whole counsel of God.

I'm a "whole counsel" man...thereby putting me in dire straights with those who have been indoctrinated into a religious form of Christianity.

The truth is far more wonderful than what is being normally taught. It's the sign of the times.

Fully aware of the DIFFERENCE between;
A natural spirit and a Born Again spirit…
Belief and Confessed Belief…
Shall be Saved and IS Saved…
Can SIN and Can SIN “NO MORE”…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes. You are identifying consequences for acceptance or rejection of God.

Whatever happened to good old fashoined gospel teaching n preaching .
The early church knew something .
They knew it so well , so very well , so very very very well , THEY ACTUALLY GOT UP AND PREACHED IT .
THE DIRE DIRE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST . I would love for anyone in this world or any church
to open the bible and read the four gospels as well as the letters of the apostels as well as revelations
YOU SEE what the heck they preached .
THEY didnt go around saying HEY WORLD JUST LOVE EVERYONE , JUST DO GOOD WORKS and it dont matter what religion you bellieve .
This church age is tanked huge .
Nor did THE ACTUAL CHRIST or any apostle try and preach AROUND having to hear and do HIS sayings .
Nor did the CHRIST or apostels ever not say YE MUST CONTINUE IN HIM to THE END .
You know what i find so sad . Is the simple fact a five year old could probably understand key concepts of the bible
BETTER than most preachers do , let alone most church folks .
I have a mission , a motto if you will . IF THE CHRIST said it , IF the early church did and practiced it ,
HEY NEWSFLASH so SHOULD WE . Now how simple is that .
Be encouraged taken . But folks keep trying to find ways around something in the bible , and to be honest
it just breaks my heart .

 

[amigo de christo]

it is sad he does not understand the payment for sin.

IT is sad . its sad that folks also believe that since JESUS did pay the price of the sins of the world
THEN IT DONT MATTER IF ONE BELIEVES OR NOT . What a death sentence that is .
You know what i am truly wore out with . Folks who come along and preach things through
a mindset men taught them and not rather JUST what JESUS said or taught and the apostels .
The bible . newsflash most third graders could grasp more than most scholars do about it .
Not saying they are saved , but rather they could at least grasp more of it .
I have seen athiest that can grasp more things about the bible than can most scholars .
NOW THEY DONT AGREE WITH what it says , BUT THEY UNDERSTAND what it says BETTER than most scholars .
NOW AINT THAT A SAD DAY and World we live in .
WHEN the wicked know more , THOUGH THEY DO REJECT IT , than does even scholars of churches about the bible .
AND I THINK ITS HIGH TIME we knew WHY THAT WAS .
YOU SEE athiest can read you know . THOUGH they cannot grasp the TRUTH
they will REJECT IT . while scholars do what , THEY TRY AND TWIST what it says TO FIT THEIR OWN AGENDAS .
AND TO BE HONEST , I THINK the scholars are going to wail even louder than the ice cold athiest did .