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That's a great point. Your comment about our physical bodies reminded me of a quote from Apostle Paul, who stated that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God." This means the kingdom of God is not fully realized at this time and since our mortal bodies cannot inherit it, we cannot fully experience it while we exist in this current state.
We cannot inherit anything eternal until we die. That doesn't mean we can't fully apprehend that for which we have been apprehended.

I find that people are not careful enough when reading the bible.

When the RYR asks Jesus what he must do to INHERIT eternal life....Jesus says to obey the commandments. (of course modern religious ideologues will deny the words of Jesus). Inheriting comes AFTER a physical death.

But ENTERING into eternal life is right now. Those who believe INTO Christ HAVE eternal life....right now...experiencing the resurrection life of Christ by walking in the kingdom realm of a heavenly Zion...having been translated into the kingdom of God's dear Son...NOW.
 

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That's a great point. Your comment about our physical bodies reminded me of a quote from Apostle Paul, who stated that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God." This means the kingdom of God is not fully realized at this time and since our mortal bodies cannot inherit it, we cannot fully experience it while we exist in this current state.
You have a great point to as we wait for resurrection. However, do you think we can have a little small taste of heaven, by the Kingdom of heaven being within the heart of the believer? Because of the Lord the anointed one by his spirit living within us? Praying to the Father to help us along by the holy spirit given by the Messiah?
 
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Read the parables of the kingdom again. Does the kingdom of God sound like a free gift...whereby many try to enter and are unable?
@Lizbeth raised a good point about the body. And I argued that the kingdom of God is not fully realized in our current mortal state. This is consistent with Jesus' teaching that the kingdom of God is "within you" indicating that his focus is on the "inner man" where the kingdom of God takes root. If that is true, then it follows that the kingdom parables intend to illustrate spiritual realities that develop inwardly at least at first.
 

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@Lizbeth raised a good point about the body. And I argued that the kingdom of God is not fully realized in our current mortal state. This is consistent with Jesus' teaching that the kingdom of God is "within you" indicating that his focus is on the "inner man" where the kingdom of God takes root. If that is true, then it follows that the kingdom parables intend to illustrate spiritual realities that develop inwardly at least at first.
How are we to seek first the kingdom of God...above all things...if that which is only available to us after we die? Are we to commit suicide to enter into the kingdom?

The reality is that the heavenly realm is already here...in the Spirit. Flesh and blood have no part in this. It's in another dimensional reality....eternal reality. This realm is only a simulation. If that heavenly realm is eternal...then there is no beginning to it. We are merely joining God where He has always been. It just so happens that in His presence there is no sin...none. He is holy. And those who abide in Christ...WHERE HE IS...are holy as God is holy.
 

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Yes...go figure. The confusion you have adopted is beyond any kind of reality. You are confusing a sample of grace for its full measure. Read the parables of the kingdom again. Does the kingdom of God sound like a free gift...whereby many try to enter and are unable?


That is your own unrenewed carnal mind spiritualizing something into existence based on ideological beliefs.


You are not Christ.


Wood, hay and stubble.


A living hope takes us back to God to receive the fulness of His grace.


We are given access...not the product for nothing. When you go to a store, you have access to all the products therein. Do you just take freely what you want and walk out? No, that is called stealing. And many, many, believers will be judged as thieves for appropriating things they have not payed the price for. Their sense of privilege will condemn them as thieves. For any here that have even a little wisdom...that's why Jesus is coming back as a thief. ..to take back what was falsely appropriated back.

Read about the flying scroll in Zechariah chapter 5. What is written on it?

Yes...go figure. The confusion you have adopted is beyond any kind of reality. You are confusing a sample of grace for its full measure. Read the parables of the kingdom again. Does the kingdom of God sound like a free gift...whereby many try to enter and are unable?


That is your own unrenewed carnal mind spiritualizing something into existence based on ideological beliefs.


You are not Christ.


Wood, hay and stubble.


A living hope takes us back to God to receive the fulness of His grace.


We are given access...not the product for nothing. When you go to a store, you have access to all the products therein. Do you just take freely what you want and walk out? No, that is called stealing. And many, many, believers will be judged as thieves for appropriating things they have not payed the price for. Their sense of privilege will condemn them as thieves. For any here that have even a little wisdom...that's why Jesus is coming back as a thief. ..to take back what was falsely appropriated back.

Read about the flying scroll in Zechariah chapter 5. What is written on it?


The living hope that takes us to God...not sit on our past gifts. Not bury our talent.


Paul was not in the Spirit at the time of his writing. He had attained in the past..but was in between being IN the Spirit. So he wrote. He also says...as many of us as be perfect. The perfect are those who are in fact in the higher walk.

There is a training that only saints know of. Going in and out of the perfect heavenly walk without sin. Learning to be as Jesus in character. The full stature of Christ in surrender, humility, and selflessness.



Paul was not in the Spirit at the time of his writing. He had attained in the past..but was in between being IN the Spirit. So he wrote. He also says...as many of us as be perfect. The perfect are those who are in fact in the higher walk.

There is a training that only saints know of. Going in and out of the perfect heavenly walk without sin. Learning to be as Jesus in character. The full stature of Christ in surrender, humility, and selflessness.
It's too bad you can't see what those scriptures are saying. Sad that you have ship-wrecked your own FAITH by what you erroneously believe.

Looks to me as though you are projecting your own incorrect understanding of your own experience onto Paul and what he said. If Paul had remained in the third heaven he would never have been able to finish working out God's will for his life in the earthly realm. And that word for perfect is not well translated into the English....you are thinking it means what we take it to mean in our colloquial English and it isn't like that.

Can't parse your every comment right now, but I will just point out this scripture with regard to what you said about grace:

Jhn 1:16-17
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

You err, Epi, plain and simple.
 
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You have a great point to as we wait for resurrection. However, do you think we can have a little small taste of heaven, by the Kingdom of heaven being within the heart of the believer? Because of the Lord the anointed one by his spirit living within us? Praying to the Father to help us along by the holy spirit given by the Messiah?
Amen, we do taste it....scripture says so.
 

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It's too bad you can't see what those scriptures are saying. Sad that you have ship-wrecked your own FAITH by what you erroneously believe.

LOL You are relying on your interpretation of the written word...without experiencing the higher walk...that the word attests to.

You mean shipwrecked from an ideological belief system. It is ironic that a false understanding looks so much like the truth to those who have made assumptions and presumptions ABOUT God..rather than actually going to God where He is..and actually knowing the truth. My faith functions as it should...in the living God. Faith has caused me to experience the same things as the testimony that is recorded in the bible. No need to accept things religiously. Reality is greater than any ideological delusion.
Looks to me as though you are projecting your own incorrect understanding of your own experience onto Paul and what he said. If Paul had remained in the third heaven he would never have been able to finish working out God's will for his life in the earthly realm.

The spiritual walk in Zion is not in the 3rd heaven...that is the throne room of God. Rather God walks with those who enter into Christ in the kingdom realm. There is a difference...in any kingdom...of the place where the king lives...and the realm He rules over.
And that word for perfect is not well translated into the English....you are thinking it means what we take it to mean in our colloquial English and it isn't like that.
Says you....who is so indoctrinated you have to do many twistings to miss the plain meaning of the text. Keep being blind and deaf. We are each a product of our own decisions.
 

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How are we to seek first the kingdom of God...above all things...if that which is only available to us after we die? Are we to commit suicide to enter into the kingdom?

The reality is that the heavenly realm is already here...in the Spirit. Flesh and blood have no part in this. It's in another dimensional reality....eternal reality. This realm is only a simulation. If that heavenly realm is eternal...then there is no beginning to it. We are merely joining God where He has always been. It just so happens that in His presence there is no sin...none. He is holy. And those who abide in Christ...WHERE HE IS...are holy as God is holy.
You aren't comprehending because you're compartmentalizing things of the SPIRIT.
 

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Amen, we do taste it....scripture says so.
That is awesome Lizbeth! Praise be to the Father in heaven, and the Son of God whom did everything we could not, and it's really the promises of God that really draw us into him, from has been learned over time. Believers are given the holy spirit, and the spirit of Christ also lives in them, if they so choose to abide in the Lord. Whew! Thank you for also chiming in with your confirmation. Today, we are part of a family of believers whom are in heaven, and there is a congregation of believers who, we may know or be a stranger, who might just be a believer who has the spirit of the Lord in them. Amazing the able reach of God, doing all he can to draw people into knowing his presence and being through believers today who actively seek for God and seek truth.
 
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You aren't comprehending because you're compartmentalizing things of the SPIRIT.
In your twisted understanding, to walk as Jesus walked in His resurrection power you call compartmentalizing? Show me how that Jesus walked that way? Was Jesus getting too carried away by only doing as He saw the Father doing? How much could you teach Him of what He did as being wrong?

Those who abide in Christ walk as Jesus walked. The problem lies with you.

The arrogance... :oops:
 
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Always strive to ask God to help you by the holy spirit @Lizbeth. Sometimes I am reminded of what Jesus did when he came up the people who wanted to stone the prostitute, how he first ignored them by writing in the sand. Sometimes on the forums it's like that, you just gotta move on forward, and leave people be to themselves, and hand them over to God. Amen, thank you again for your comments, they are appreciated sister.
 
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Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth and said: “In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality. But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
10:34 "that God is not one to show partiality" This is the beginning of Peter's sermon to Cornelius. It is a good example of the preaching of the early church to non-Jews. In the OT this judicial phrase characterized God (cf. Deut. 10:17; 2 Chr. 19:7) and is required of His people (cf. Deut. 1:17; 16:19). It is also a common characterization of God in the NT (cf. Rom. 2:11; Gal. 2:6; Eph. 6:9; Col. 3:24-25; 1 Pet. 1:17). In the OT this phrase literally meant "to lift the face." In Hebrew courts the defendants kept their heads bowed so that the judge would not recognize the person and thereby be biased.

God has no favorites (nations, races, or individuals)! If this is true then how does predestination work? Or how is Israel special? Be careful of modern systems of theology!

10:35 "in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him" This description does not refer to the concept of spiritual salvation, but apparently to the idea of almsgiving, prayer, and piety. This phrase must be theologically balanced with the mandate to receive the gospel (cf. John 1:12; 3:16; Rom. 10:9-13).

The major truth is that God accepts Gentiles without their becoming proselyte Jews. This set the theological stage for Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council.


 

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10:34 "that God is not one to show partiality" This is the beginning of Peter's sermon to Cornelius. It is a good example of the preaching of the early church to non-Jews. In the OT this judicial phrase characterized God (cf. Deut. 10:17; 2 Chr. 19:7) and is required of His people (cf. Deut. 1:17; 16:19). It is also a common characterization of God in the NT (cf. Rom. 2:11; Gal. 2:6; Eph. 6:9; Col. 3:24-25; 1 Pet. 1:17). In the OT this phrase literally meant "to lift the face." In Hebrew courts the defendants kept their heads bowed so that the judge would not recognize the person and thereby be biased.

God has no favorites (nations, races, or individuals)! If this is true then how does predestination work? Or how is Israel special? Be careful of modern systems of theology!

10:35 "in every nation the man who fears Him and does what is right is welcome to Him" This description does not refer to the concept of spiritual salvation, but apparently to the idea of almsgiving, prayer, and piety. This phrase must be theologically balanced with the mandate to receive the gospel (cf. John 1:12; 3:16; Rom. 10:9-13).

The major truth is that God accepts Gentiles without their becoming proselyte Jews. This set the theological stage for Acts 15, the Jerusalem Council.


There is a universal application to 'To whom much is given, more is required" That principle applies especially to those who have had a sample of grace at regeneration. Think ....receiving a talent. What do we do with it?

And why is it always those who don't know what to do with the first talent who are the ones who fail the grace of God.
 
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The Cross of Christ is God's Salvation.

And why is it always those who don't know what to do with the first talent who are the ones who fail the grace of God.
The idea of “to whom much is given, much will be required” is that we are held responsible for what we have. If we are blessed with talents, wealth, knowledge, time, and the like, it is expected that we use these well to glorify God and benefit others.

In context, Jesus had just told a parable about being ready for His return. His disciple Peter asked if the parable was for just them or for everyone. Jesus replied with another parable in which He defines the “faithful and wise manager” as one who gives out food and other allowances “at the proper time.” When the master returns and finds the faithful servant managing his resources well, he “put him in charge of all his possessions” (Luke 12:42–44). We have been entrusted with certain things, and faithfulness requires that we manage those things wisely and unselfishly.

Jesus continued the parable with a contrast: “Suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows” (Luke 12:44–47). The unfaithful servant mismanages the master’s resources to satiate his own greed, and Jesus warns that judgment is certain for that servant. The Lord then summarizes the point of the parable with these words: “Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more” (verse 48, ESV). A related parable that also deals with stewardship is the Parable of the Talents (or the Parable of the Bags of Gold) in Matthew 25:14–30.

It is easy to assume that only wealthy people have been “given much,” but, in truth, we have all been given much (1 Corinthians 4:7). We have been granted the abundant grace of God (Ephesians 1:3–10; 3:16–21; Romans 5:8–11; 8:14–17), the Word of God, and the gifts of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16–21; 16:13; Romans 12:6). “Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms” (1 Peter 4:10).

We should also not assume that the less we know about God and His gifts, the less we’ll have to do. As evident in Jesus’ parable, we are held responsible to know our master’s will. God has plainly shown us what He requires (Micah 6:8).

God gives us resources such as finances and time, talents such as culinary skills or musical ability, and spiritual gifts such as encouragement or teaching. We should ask God for wisdom on how to use those resources and commit ourselves to expending them according to His will so that He may be glorified. In regards to spiritual gifts, Paul said, “We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully” (Romans 12:6–8). This is simply responsible stewardship.

We have been given much, and God desires us to use what He has given to further His Kingdom and proclaim His glory. It’s what we were created to do. “Then Jesus said to his disciples, ‘Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. . . . For the Son of Man . . . will reward each person according to what they have done’” (Matthew 16:24–25, 27). We are living sacrifices (Romans 12:1), giving the things God has given us in service to others, and in that we actually find life. God, the giver of all good things (James 1:17), gives us everything we need to fulfill His will. “Freely you have received; freely give” (Matthew 10:8).

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We are not to look at others and how they use their talents-it is how you and I use our God given talents @Episkopos.

No one here "fail" the grace of God-not if they are sealed with the Holy Spirit-we cannot "read" the hearts of other members and dare not sit in judgement upon anyone.


You "work" with what God has given YOU to do-and not focus on what others are doing with THEIR talents.

An aside-you cannot sit in judgement upon anyone if they have not received an "experience" like you have had-not being facetious with you.
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The idea of “to whom much is given, much will be required” is that we are held responsible for what we have. If we are blessed with talents, wealth, knowledge, time, and the like, it is expected that we use these well to glorify God and benefit others.

In context, Jesus had just told a parable about being ready for His return. His disciple Peter asked if the parable was for just them or for everyone. Jesus replied with another parable in which He defines the “faithful and wise manager” as one who gives out food and other allowances “at the proper time.” When the master returns and finds the faithful servant managing his resources well, he “put him in charge of all his possessions” (Luke 12:42–44). We have been entrusted with certain things, and faithfulness requires that we manage those things wisely and unselfishly.

Jesus continued the parable with a contrast: “Suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk. The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers. The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows” (Luke 12:44–47). The unfaithful servant mismanages the master’s resources to satiate his own greed, and Jesus warns that judgment is certain for that servant. The Lord then summarizes the point of the parable with these words: “Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more” (verse 48, ESV). A related parable that also deals with stewardship is the Parable of the Talents (or the Parable of the Bags of Gold) in Matthew 25:14–30.

It is easy to assume that only wealthy people have been “given much,” but, in truth, we have all been given much (1 Corinthians 4:7). We have been granted the abundant grace of God (Ephesians 1:3–10; 3:16–21; Romans 5:8–11; 8:14–17), the Word of God, and the gifts of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16–21; 16:13; Romans 12:6). “Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms” (1 Peter 4:10).

We should also not assume that the less we know about God and His gifts, the less we’ll have to do. As evident in Jesus’ parable, we are held responsible to know our master’s will. God has plainly shown us what He requires (Micah 6:8).

God gives us resources such as finances and time, talents such as culinary skills or musical ability, and spiritual gifts such as encouragement or teaching. We should ask God for wisdom on how to use those resources and commit ourselves to expending them according to His will so that He may be glorified. In regards to spiritual gifts, Paul said, “We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with your faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully” (Romans 12:6–8). This is simply responsible stewardship.

We have been given much, and God desires us to use what He has given to further His Kingdom and proclaim His glory. It’s what we were created to do. “Then Jesus said to his disciples, ‘Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it. . . . For the Son of Man . . . will reward each person according to what they have done’” (Matthew 16:24–25, 27). We are living sacrifices (Romans 12:1), giving the things God has given us in service to others, and in that we actually find life. God, the giver of all good things (James 1:17), gives us everything we need to fulfill His will. “Freely you have received; freely give” (Matthew 10:8).

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We are not to look at others and how they use their talents-it is how you and I use our God given talents @Episkopos.

No one here "fail" the grace of God-not if they are sealed with the Holy Spirit-we cannot "read" the hearts of other members and dare not sit in judgement upon anyone.


You "work" with what God has given YOU to do-and not focus on what others are doing with THEIR talents.

An aside-you cannot sit in judgement upon anyone if they have not received an "experience" like you have had-not being facetious with you.
J.
I'm neither judging nor expecting people to experience anything. I'm warning those who are building with perishable materials that they will suffer eternal loss. If I don't warn people...how can I have any love for others? Wouldn't I want to be warned if I had staked everything on a religious presumption I had been indoctrinated to believe? Would I want someone who could help me to give up on me? There is a heavy judgment coming on this generation of believers...who have accepted lies as if they were the truth...and treated the truth as if it was a lie.

So I am merely obeying the commandment to treat others as I would want to be treated. I am my brother keeper. :)
 

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There is a training that only saints know of. Going in and out of the perfect heavenly walk without sin. Learning to be as Jesus in character. The full stature of Christ in surrender, humility, and selflessness.
Can you explain what this humility looks like in your daily life ?
 

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How are we to seek first the kingdom of God...above all things...if that which is only available to us after we die? Are we to commit suicide to enter into the kingdom?
Paul says that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God. And Jesus said for us to seek first the kingdom of God. How do we resolve this tension? We dare not ignore it.
The reality is that the heavenly realm is already here...in the Spirit. Flesh and blood have no part in this. It's in another dimensional reality....eternal reality. This realm is only a simulation. If that heavenly realm is eternal...then there is no beginning to it. We are merely joining God where He has always been. It just so happens that in His presence there is no sin...none. He is holy. And those who abide in Christ...WHERE HE IS...are holy as God is holy.
Well, that's one explanation. But this isn't the most plausible explanation.

At the inception of Jesus' ministry, he traveled the land preaching, "The kingdom of God is at hand." In what sense was it "at hand?" If the so-called "heavenly kingdom" was already here, then why preach the kingdom was "next", "imminent", or "close?"

In addition, Jesus taught his disciples how to pray, giving them a model prayer to consider. We call this prayer "The Lord's prayer." The prayer begins this way, "Our Father, who art in heaven, hollowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." What significant information can we glean from this?

Jesus' answer is concerned with the content of our prayers, which should focus on the more profound aspects of the kingdom. For instance, it happens that God's name is blasphemed worldwide. Accordingly, then, we ought to pray for God to restore his holy name. Our next concern is that the Father should establish his reign on Earth so that is will should be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

So then, when Jesus asks us first to seek the kingdom of God and his righteousness, his instruction is focused on the spread of the gospel and living according to Jesus' teaching. We are seeking the righteousness that will come in when God's will is done on earth as it is in heaven.
 
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I'm neither judging nor expecting people to experience anything. I'm warning those who are building with perishable materials that they will suffer eternal loss. If I don't warn people...how can I have any love for others? Wouldn't I want to be warned if I had staked everything on a religious presumption I had been indoctrinated to believe? Would I want someone who could help me to give up on me? There is a heavy judgment coming on this generation of believers...who have accepted lies as if they were the truth...and treated the truth as if it was a lie.

So I am merely obeying the commandment to treat others as I would want to be treated. I am my brother keeper.
A mature response from you Epi-however-you "spinned" what the context of the verse is really saying-"They will suffer eternal loss"

Christ Our Foundation
(Isaiah 28:14–22; Ephesians 2:19–22; 1 Peter 2:1–8)

10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one must be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay a foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, 13his workmanship will be evident, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will prove the quality of each man’s work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive a reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss. He himself will be saved, but only as if through the flames.
"each man must be careful"

This is literally a PRESENT ACTIVE IMPERATIVE of blepō, "I see."


This is the warning that church leaders will give an account to God of their church work, as will all believers (cf. 2 Cor. 5:10).

3:11 There are two criteria mentioned in this passage for the church.

the leader's/believer's message must be Christocentric (cf. 1 Cor. 3:11-12 and Eph. 2:20-21)

the leader's/believer's life must be Christlike (cf. 1 Cor. 3:12-15)


3:12 "if" This is the first in a series of FIRST CLASS CONDITIONAL SENTENCES which are assumed to be true from the author's perspective or for his literary purpose (cf. 1 Cor. 3:12,14,15,17,18). There were (and are) fruitful and precious leaders and hurtful and destructive leaders!

"any man builds on the foundation"

The major interpretive question here is which foundation is Paul speaking about:

the gospel, 1 Cor. 3:11
the church at Corinth, 1 Cor. 3:10
Is he addressing leaders or believers in general? One's interpretation of 1 Cor. 3:10-15 must relate to 1 Cor. 3:16-17, which describes the church as a whole as the temple of God.

"gold, silver, precious stones"


The emphasis here is on what is durable, beautiful, and costly and cannot be destroyed by fire. Precious stones may be jewels, semi-precious stones, or polished marble stones.

3:13
NASB   "will become evident"
NKJV   "will become manifest"
NRSV   "will become visible"
TEV   "will be seen"
NJB   "will be shown"
REB   "will at last be brought to light"
Peshitta   "shall be plainly seen"

This clear manifestation of believers' or leaders' ministry (i.e., motives, actions, purposes) is emphasized by a three-fold repetition of VERBS in 1 Cor. 3:13.

become evident (i.e., phainō)
show (i.e., dēloō)
reveal (i.e., apokaluptō)

This open display and judgment of believers must relate to the judgment seat of Christ in 2 Cor. 5:10.

"the day will show it"

This refers to the OT "Day of the Lord," which will involve both glorification and rewards for believers and judgment for unbelievers. However, even believers will also give an account before the judgment seat of Christ (cf. 2 Cor. 5:10; Matt. 12:36-37; 25:31ff; Rom. 2:16; 14:12; Gal. 5:10; Heb. 13:17).

Special Topic: The Day of the Lord

"fire" See Special Topic: Fire

"will test "

This refers to the refiner's fire (cf. 1 Cor. 4:5), which tests with a view toward approval (i.e., dokimazō).


Special Topic: Greek Terms for Testing and their Connotations

"the quality of each man's work"

In context this must refer to one's church involvement. All the spiritual gifts are for the building up of the church (cf. 1 Cor. 12:7). There is no spiritual distinction between clergy and laity, leader and follower, but there is a task distinction (cf. Num. 16:3). Leaders are more accountable (cf. James 3:1).

3:14 "If" This is the second in a series of FIRST CLASS CONDITIONAL SENTTENCES, assumed to be true from the perspective of the writer or for his literary purpose (cf. 1 Cor. 3:12,14,15,17,18).

"he will receive a reward"

This passage refers to rewards, not salvation. All of the people addressed are assumed to be believers!

The NT concept of rewards must be distinguished from salvation by merit (cf. Rom. 6:23). In the OT rewards or blessings were connected to obedience (cf. Deut. 11:13-32,27-29; Psalm 1). In a sense, that is still true.

However, salvation is a gift, not a reward. The life of faith and obedience is a result of salvation, not a means to salvation.

Rewards can be lost, yet salvation retained.

Rewards are a recognition of the developing ministry of believers. Paul has now universalized his eschatological evaluation (cf. 1 Thess. 2:19-20; Phil. 2:14-16) to include all believers. Rewards are a way of recognizing those who have ministered effectively and faithfully in the furtherance of the gospel. Rewards are God's gifts through His empowering for His Kingdom. Yet, like all covenant relationships, believers must appropriately and continually respond (cf. 1 Cor. 9:24-27).

Special Topic: Degrees of Rewards and Punishment

Special Topic: Covenant

3:15 "If any man's work is burned up" Oh, the tragedy of a fruitless, selfish, factious Christian life. It is a tragedy for the person, a tragedy for the church, and a tragedy for the unsaved!

"but he himself will be saved"

This shows the priority of grace even with the possibility of the loss of reward.


This concept may answer the theological dilemma of a free salvation in the grace of God, the finished work of Christ, and the wooing of the Spirit contrasted to the cost-everything mandate of the Christian life.

My only fear in using this text as a key concept is how rare in Scripture the theological category of a "back-slidden," carnal, baby Christian is used! The modern church uses this concept to explain an ineffective, apathetic, worldly church, but seldom delineates the NT mandate of spiritual growth (cf. Heb. 5:11-14).

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That's a great point. Your comment about our physical bodies reminded me of a quote from Apostle Paul, who stated that "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God." This means the kingdom of God is not fully realized at this time and since our mortal bodies cannot inherit it, we cannot fully experience it while we exist in this current state.
That is why an apostel once wrote , those who have TASTED of ............
for now we have tasted of the heavenly kingdom which will one day COME .
For now our connection is THE HOLY SPIRIT , but one day we will see it with our own eyes and we lower
ourselves and kneel before CHRIST WHO saved us and shall sing praises with tons of thanksgivings
as all cast thier crowns at his FEET , at the FEET of HE WHO SAVED US . we can barely taste that which is to come .
And though BY and IN THE SPIRIT we are seated in heavenly places , we have not yet SEEN this CITY which is to COME .
Sure we have come unto MOUNT ZION , SPIRITUAL CONNECTED
but we also await THIS CITY that is to COME . NOW LIFT THOSE HANDS AND PRAISE THE KING .
 

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In your twisted understanding, to walk as Jesus walked in His resurrection power you call compartmentalizing? Show me how that Jesus walked that way? Was Jesus getting too carried away by only doing as He saw the Father doing? How much could you teach Him of what He did as being wrong?

Those who abide in Christ walk as Jesus walked. The problem lies with you.

The arrogance... :oops:
Even Jesus had to die bodily before He could be resurrected.

The power to walk as He did is within and upon us. We have it already, but is a matter of how much of what we have are we manifesting and walking in. The flesh wars against the spirit and there are distractions of earthly life....there is the matter of how much of our flesh we are dying to or have died to. That's what the chastisements as sons is for to help beat our flesh down and kill it, which is a progressive work in our lives. And that is how we GROW in the Lord......as "we" decrease, He increases, as we also seek that, seeking His kingdom and righteousness.