Abortion

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Do you believe someone can be Christian and support / defend aborting millions of unborn babies?

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Stan B

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Be fruitful and multiply.

Thou shall not kill.

Love your neighbor as yourself.

Do unto others as you would have them to unto you.

Is killing one's healthy, preborn, offspring consistent with these commandments?
Your post goes to prove that the Bible does not forbid abortion. Nothing you have said has anything to do with abortion, starting with "Thou shalt not kill", which from any credible translation says "Thou shalt not murder", which is the unlawful taking of life; and abortion is not the unlawful taking of life because there is no such law.
Second you cannot kill or take the life of something that has never been alive. The BIBLE says that man does not become a living being until God breathes into it's nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE! That does not happen in the womb, It can only happen after a fetus has exited the womb and become a LIVING BEING!
 

Stan B

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Abortion is totally opposite of mercy.
My "BIBLE" reveals says the opposite!

"If a man begets a hundred sons and lives many years so that the days of his years are many, if his soul is not filled with good and also that he have no burial; I say that an aborted birth is better than he." Ecclesiastes 6:3

"Job opened his mouth and cursed the day of his birth. And this is what he said:
“May the day of my birth perish,
and the night it was said,
‘A boy is conceived.’
If only that day had turned to darkness!
May God above disregard it;
may no light shine upon it.
May darkness and gloom reclaim it,
and a cloud settle over it;
may the blackness of the day overwhelm it.
If only darkness had taken that night away!
May it not appear among the days of the year;
may it never be entered in any of the months.
Behold, may that night be barren;
may no joyful voice come into it.
May it be cursed by those who curse the daya —
those prepared to rouse Leviathan.
May its morning stars grow dark;
may it wait in vain for daylight;
may it not see the breaking of dawn.
For that night did not shut the doors of the womb
to hide the sorrow from my eyes.
Why did I not perish at birth;
why did I not die as I came from the womb?
Why were there knees to receive me,
and breasts that I should be nursed?
For now I would be lying down in peace;
I would be asleep and at rest

Why was I not hidden like a stillborn child,
like an infant who never sees daylight?
There the wicked cease from raging,
and there the weary find rest.
The captives enjoy their ease;
they do not hear the voice of the oppressor.
Both small and great are there,
and the slave is freed from his master.
Why is light given to the miserable,
and life to the bitter of soul,

I who long for death that does not come,
and search for it like hidden treasure,
I have no rest, for trouble has come.”
Job 3

"14 Cursed be the day I was born!
May the day my mother bore me never be blessed.
Cursed be the man who brought my father the news,
saying, “A son is born to you,”
bringing him great joy.
May that man be like the cities
that the LORD overthrew without compassion.

May he hear an outcry in the morning
and a battle cry at noon,
because he did not kill me in the womb"
Jer 20
 

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Sure,
I have seen the disgusting methods, stomach churning, heart wrenching videos.

I have been expressly clear.
I support Liberty.
I do not support Abortions.
The US government was not given authority to legislate power over fetus’.
A fetus is not a Person.
Every individual is (should be) accountable for their own choices.

What is your point?
That...? I should be out marching against those who advocate abortions?
If a fetus is not a person, what is "it", an animal? Every living thing has a beginning, just because it is a beginning does not negate that "it" is still a "living thing". JMHO
 
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Don't kill them. Let them live. Be merciful and obtain mercy from God!

Matthew 5
7 Blessed are the merciful, For they shall obtain mercy.
 

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If a fetus is not a person, what is "it", an animal?

An animal? We are talking about man-KIND, not animals.

Already said what a person is...a body with a soul.

Dead body’s do not have souls in them.
Dead body’s are not called persons.
Dead body’s are called the deceased, cadavers, dead body’s.

Every living thing has a beginning, just because it is a beginning does not negate that "it" is still a "living thing". JMHO

I did not say a fetus was not a living thing.
I said it was not a person.

Of course everything has a beginning. And a form-ING fetus is not an Individual life, it is dependent upon the mother’s LIFE. The mothers Life is her blood. Being severed from the mother’s LIFE, the born man-KIND of thing receives and becomes dependent on Gods Breath of Life. When the body dies, Gods “Living” Breath of Life/ and vessel/ soul departs the Dead Body.
The body’s life (blood) ceases. The body becomes VOID of all life.

Persons...(body and souls) do not go to heaven or hell.
LIVING Saved souls go to heaven..to wait judgement.
LIVING Unsaved souls go to hell..to wait judgement.
Dead rotting body’s stink, are buried or burned by living men, or eaten by animals.
 

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An animal? We are talking about man-KIND, not animals.

Already said what a person is...a body with a soul.

Dead body’s do not have souls in them.
Dead body’s are not called persons.
Dead body’s are called the deceased, cadavers, dead body’s.



I did not say a fetus was not a living thing.
I said it was not a person.

Of course everything has a beginning. And a form-ING fetus is not an Individual life, it is dependent upon the mother’s LIFE. The mothers Life is her blood. Being severed from the mother’s LIFE, the born man-KIND of thing receives and becomes dependent on Gods Breath of Life. When the body dies, Gods “Living” Breath of Life/ and vessel/ soul departs the Dead Body.
The body’s life (blood) ceases. The body becomes VOID of all life.

Persons...(body and souls) do not go to heaven or hell.
LIVING Saved souls go to heaven..to wait judgement.
LIVING Unsaved souls go to hell..to wait judgement.
Dead rotting body’s stink, are buried or burned by living men, or eaten by animals.
When does it become "a person"?
 
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ScottA

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Do you believe someone can be Christian and support aborting millions of unborn babies?
The bigger general question would be: Can someone be Christian and be WRONG (about anything)?

The answer of course is: Yes! (Duh!)

Next question: Should Christians be open to self examination and reason?

Most definitely.
 

Stan B

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If a fetus is not a person, what is "it", an animal? Every living thing has a beginning, just because it is a beginning does not negate that "it" is still a "living thing". JMHO
Yes, a fetus is a living thing, a living organism, like cancer, but it is not a "LIVING BEING"!
So, what is a fetus? For millennia, long before Christ, the Jewish understanding from the Hebrew text is that a fetus is part of the mother as long as it is connected to the umbilical cord, and dependent upon the mother for oxygen, because the lungs do not become operational until after the fetus has been separated from the umbilical cord, and takes its first breath.
That is consistent with what God declares in Genesis: that Adam became a LIVING BEING only after God breathed into him the BREATH OF LIFE. That's consistent with what the Bible says from Genesis to Revelation.
Abortion is simply a natural feature God designed into woman from the beginning, when a fetus does not measure up to specs, God has designed it to be resolved with spontaneous abortion/miscarriage. So, if abortion is evil, then God must be evil. And although abortion is implemented for physical reasons, it is not unreasonable for abortion to be implemented for dire social/family reasons; and there is no need for me to list such social/familial reasons for choosing abortion as viable option.
 

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When does it become "a person"?

After it is form-ED in it’s Watery encasement; (Placenta)
deliver-ED forth from it’s Watery encasement; (Placenta)
sever-ED from it’s mothers LIFE; (Blood)
receiv-ED Gods soul. (God Breath of Life.)
 
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The bigger general question would be: Can someone be Christian and be WRONG (about anything)?

The answer of course is: Yes! (Duh!)

Next question: Should Christians be open to self examination and reason?

Most definitely.
I find it very difficult to believe that anyone who supports killing millions of unborn babies for $$$ is a Christian.
 
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Stan B

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When does it become "a person"?
You don't have to read the BIBLE beyond the second chapter to find your answer.

"The LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being" Gen 2
 

Jack

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After it is form-ED in it’s Watery encasement; (Placenta)
deliver-ED forth from it’s Watery encasement; (Placenta)
sever-ED from it’s mothers LIFE; (Blood)
receiv-ED Gods soul. (God Breath of Life.)
What if you're wrong? How do you know it doesn't feel pain and fear? Let them live. Don't kill them.
 

Jack

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You don't have to read the BIBLE beyond the second chapter to find your answer.

"The LORD God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being" Gen 2
I truly doubt that Adam was in a womb. Not the same at all.
 

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For gosh sakes…
sorry, that was in response to a poster a few posts back.
I prob shouldn’t have even entered this thread.
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