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Do you believe someone can be Christian and support / defend aborting millions of unborn babies?

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Jack

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"President Biden has no "allegiance to Satan"."

All who approve / support abortion have "allegiance to Satan".
 
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"President Biden has no "allegiance to Satan"."

All who approve / support abortion have "allegiance to Satan".
and they honor gay marriage and pronouns and children getting trans surgeries . As i stated above
they follow darkness . My prayer is they repent asap fast or they will wail on the DAY of the LORD .
 
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Jim B

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President Biden is a lifelong Catholic.

And he and other compassionate politicians allow people freedom rather than using the law to punish them. Just like Jesus.
 

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It would be quite revealing to know how many women have been killed by "legal" abortions. Probably a HUGE secret. It's not difficult at all for Big Pharma to keep secrets. Lots of $$$! And they would have lots of help from the Dem Party! Would it be a surprise if more have been killed by "legal" abortions than have been saved? It's all about $$$ folks. People kill for money!
From a pro-murder site:

"During the period from 1998–2010, of approximately 16.1 million abortion procedures, 108 women died, for a mortality rate of 0.7 deaths per 100,000" claiming it is rare.

From same site, does not include the 108 above. The site does not give stats for suicide as a result of gettin an abortion. There are more articles on that site.

"Deaths from hemorrhage associated with legal induced abortion should not occur. Yet hemorrhage was the third most frequent cause of death from legal abortion in the United States between 1972 and 1979." Fatal hemorrhage from legal abortion in the United States - PubMed

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Physical health risks associated with unsafe abortion include:

  • incomplete abortion (failure to remove or expel all pregnancy tissue from the uterus);
  • haemorrhage (heavy bleeding);
  • infection;
  • uterine perforation (caused when the uterus is pierced by a sharp object); and
  • damage to the genital tract and internal organs as a consequence of inserting dangerous objects into the vagina or anus.

This site claims the stats are very dishonest: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...t-thousands-women-died-every-year-before-roe/

pro-murder site blames deaths on "ectopic pregnancy " also claims that "The risk of dying from continuing a pregnancy beyond 20 weeks is 107 per million live births." ROFL

The pro-murder reseach nonsense is from Guttmacher Institute which works with WHO and CDC.

Table of deaths, I do not believe it is honest.

Site is blocked on my computer New Guttmacher Report Downplays Pro-Life Progress | National Review
 

Jim B

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Performing an abortion is a medically-valid procedure that terminates a pregnancy for a variety of reason. Chief among them are a) the fetus has no chance of surviving outside the womb and/or b) the woman's life is in danger if she carries the baby to term.

All the pseudo-moral hype about "abortion is murder" is total nonsense, designed to allow politicians to exert control over women, denying them their freedom.
 
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Jack

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Hmm, the pro abortion folks don't seem to want to comment on the videos that clearly show unborn babies are alive until murdered by Planned Parenthood. Don't expect any mercy from Jesus on Judgment Day abortion defenders! It's all about $$$! They don't care about women nor babies.

Jas 2:13 He will have judgment WITHOUT MERCY who has shown no mercy.
 
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Kinda likje Spla Scriptiura itself isn't found in thd Bible.
Sooooo, WHY do you adhere to that false doctrine?
Bishop and iconic church historian Eusebius, in his second book against Sabellius, expressly declares that since a word is not in the Scriptures, it is not satisfactory to him. He speaks to the following effect: "As inquiring into truths which admit of investigation, it is indolence, so prying into others, where scrutiny is expedient is audacity. Into what truths then ought we to search? Those truths we find recorded in the Scriptures. But what we do not find recorded there, let us not search after. For had the knowledge of them been incumbent on us, the Holy Spirit doubtless would have placed them there."

"Let us not hazard ourselves in such a risk, but speak safely; and let not anything that is written be blotted out."

"Speak what is written, and strife will be abandoned."

Eusebius was persecuted and murdered by Rome for declining to kiss pagan Roman butt; and from your comments, Rome's hatred of truth hasn't changed in 2.000 years.

Notwithstanding, for those of us who have read the BIBLE, Sola Scriptura was the very last message left to us in Scripture:

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book." Rev 22:18

Your choice: God of the Bible . . . . or god of Rome!
 

Jim B

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After the actions of the Catholic church -- mass murder, persecutions, excommunications, etc. -- you would think that anyone in their right mind would see the value of the reformation. But I guess not. :confused:
 
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Jack

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Planned Parenthood donated $50 million in 2022 and $45 million in 2020 to the Dems! It's all about $$$ folks! Just shows why Planned Parenthood is in business! $$$
 
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"In rare cases, healthcare providers must make a larger incision in the abdomen to remove the ectopic pregnancy or damaged fallopian tube."


"For tubal ectopic pregnancies, treatment can be medications that dissolve the ectopic pregnancy tissue, or surgery. The smaller the pregnancy, the more likely that medications can be used. Other ectopic pregnancies are more complex and may require medications, surgery, or commonly a combination of these treatments.
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Luckily, today, in the U.S., this is very rare, with less than 50 people dying from an ectopic pregnancy per year. This low rate is a benefit of having relatively excellent access to care, compared to many developing countries. We currently have access to emergency medical systems, blood banks and emergency surgery to provide lifesaving care when needed."
 

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see table Trends in Ectopic Pregnancy Diagnoses in United States Emergency Departments, 2006–2013

"An ectopic pregnancy is one of a few cases where the foreseeable death of an embryo is allowed, since it is categorized as an indirect abortion. This view was also advocated by Pius XII in a 1953 address to the Italian Association of Urology."


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INDIRECT ABORTION (Taken from "Medical Ethics" by Edwin F. Healy)

IN DIRECT abortion a living and nonviable fetus is removed from the uterus. The reason for the removal is that the pregnancy, added to some pathological condition from which the mother is suffering, increases her difficulties or even lessens her chances of survival. No condition exists, however, which makes the removal of the uterus itself necessary as a means of saving the mother's life.

The abortion is termed indirect when the pregnant uterus itself is excised because its condition is such that its removal is medically necessary."

 

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worth reading Researchers move closer to better care for life-threatening pregnancy condition
Not sure of source: "Researchers move closer to better care for life-threatening pregnancy condition

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According to the March of Dimes, about 1 in every 50 pregnancies in the U.S. is an ectopic pregnancy (tubal pregnancy.)3
However, the likelihood of you having an ectopic pregnancy may actually be lower or higher than the average as various health factors will raise or lower your personal risk. For example, smoking, previous ectopic pregnancy, and a history of tubal surgery all increase your risk of ectopic pregnancy."

 

The Learner

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Bishop and iconic church historian Eusebius, in his second book against Sabellius, expressly declares that since a word is not in the Scriptures, it is not satisfactory to him. He speaks to the following effect: "As inquiring into truths which admit of investigation, it is indolence, so prying into others, where scrutiny is expedient is audacity. Into what truths then ought we to search? Those truths we find recorded in the Scriptures. But what we do not find recorded there, let us not search after. For had the knowledge of them been incumbent on us, the Holy Spirit doubtless would have placed them there."

"Let us not hazard ourselves in such a risk, but speak safely; and let not anything that is written be blotted out."

"Speak what is written, and strife will be abandoned."

Eusebius was persecuted and murdered by Rome for declining to kiss pagan Roman butt; and from your comments, Rome's hatred of truth hasn't changed in 2.000 years.

Notwithstanding, for those of us who have read the BIBLE, Sola Scriptura was the very last message left to us in Scripture:

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book." Rev 22:18

Your choice: God of the Bible . . . . or god of Rome!
No results found for "Let us not hazard ourselves in such a risk" newadvnet.org.

No results found for "As inquiring into truths which admit of investigation, it is indolence".

Who are you quoting??? Thanks with link to source please, daniel
 

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No results found for "Let us not hazard ourselves in such a risk" newadvnet.org.

No results found for "As inquiring into truths which admit of investigation, it is indolence".

Who are you quoting??? Thanks with link to source please, daniel
I am quoting from:

The Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius Pamphilus
Bishop of Cesarea, in Palestine
Translated from the Original
with an Introduction by Christian Frederick Cruise
And a Historical View of the Council of Nicea
by Isaac Boyle
Baker Book House
Grand Rapids Michigan

Library of Congress Card Number 55-10437
ISBN 0-8010-3306-3
Fourteenth Printing, June 1990
about 600 pages

I also have the complete 38 Volumes of the Early Church Fathers which contain the works of Eusebius as well.
 
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I wonder if any women, now in their old age, feel regret, remorse and guilt when they think "That baby I aborted would be 50 years old now", or don't they care?
 
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I wonder if any women, now in their old age, feel regret, remorse and guilt when they think "That baby I aborted would be 50 years old now", or don't they care?
I know women who have had a spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) who didn't seem to be at all perturbed by the experience. It just meant a delay in the desired birth by a few months. I also met girls 50 years ago who told me about abortions they had performed on themselves before abortions became legal. For them, it just seemed to a routine day-to-day activity. That was just the way street-life was back in those days.
 
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Stan B

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Put away your Jack Chick comic books and put ON your Thinking Cap, Stan . . .
The Bible states the following about the Whore:

1. She "sits on 7 HILLS" (Rev. 17:9)
Vatican Hill
is NOT one of the 7 hills of Rome – which include:
Aventine Hill
Caelian Hill
Capitoline Hill
Esquiline Hill
Palatine Hill
Quirinal Hill
Viminal Hill

Jerusalem
DOES sit on 7 hills, which include:
Mount Scopus
Mount Olivet
Mount of Corruption
Mount Ophel
Original Mount Zion
New Mount Zion
The hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built

2. She is called "The Great City" (Rev. 17:18)

- Jerusalem is called the "Great City" - “where also their Lord was crucified” (Rev. 11:8).

3. She is "Drunk on the blood of God's Holy people" (Rev 17:6)
- Not ONLY did Jerusalem kill the prophets (Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34) - she persecuted the Early Church (Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor. 11:23-26) along with pagan Rome.

4. "Jerusalem is the "Faithful City" that became a “Whore”
- Isaiah 1:21 laments, "How the FAITHFUL CITY HAS BECOME A WHORE, she who was full of justice! Righteousness lodged in her, but now murderers."

5. Apostate Jerusalem
has the blood of God’s holy people on her hands (prophets and martyrs)NOT the Catholic Church (Rev 17:6, Matt. 23:37, Luke 13:34, Gal. 4:9, 2 Cor 11:23-26).
And to say that ONLY the Catholic Church killed Christians is false because many Catholics were killed by Protestants as well.

We read that the “ten horns” and the beast will hate the prostitute. “They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire(Rev. 17:16).
What happened in 70 AD? The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple by pagan Rome.

Nothing
about the Catholic Church even comes CLOSE to the comparison between the Whore of Babylon and apostate Jerusalem.
1. You are stuck with the fact that Daniel says that the Antichrist is the Prince of the people who destroyed Israel in the 1st century:

26Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing.
Then the people [Romans] of the Prince [Prince of Rome] who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations have been decreed. 27And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week,i but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.” Dan 9:27

2. If you think Jerusalem is the City of the Whore: “And the kings of the earth, who committed acts of immorality and lived sensuously with her, will weep and lament over her when they see the smoke of her burning," Rev 18:9 And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. Rev 19:3

Doesn't sound like the Holy City, the Holy Place, the Throne of David, where Christ is going to set up His Throne in the Millennial Kingdom, amidst the fire, smoke and ashes that arise forever from that permanently destroyed city?
 
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