About the Signs of the Second Coming of Jesus

[Daniel Veler]

This reminds me of the scripture that people gag on a gnat and swallow a camel. The signs of Christ’s return is in revelation. It is written so that God’s people would know. Do you remember how Christ tells us that he would shorten time for the elects sake? We see this event happening in Revelation at the fourth trumpet. When you see this sign no that generation will see the return of Christ.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Beam me up Scotty, aliens have overtaken the this thread - warp speed please. Bye.

 

[Gary Urban]

This reminds me of the scripture that people gag on a gnat and swallow a camel. The signs of Christ’s return is in revelation. It is written so that God’s people would know. Do you remember how Christ tells us that he would shorten time for the elects sake? We see this event happening in Revelation at the fourth trumpet. When you see this sign no that generation will see the return of Christ.

No sign is given (none not one) its natural uncoverted mankind that;looks to signs to wonder after Christian walk by faith the unseen power.

Christ is here reigning in the heart of believers he never left earth. He as eternal Spirt began his good work of salvation in Abel the first recorded martyr as a apostle sent with the good news. There we find the foundation of the mark (666) unconverted faithless makind . Seting up the pattern of the father of lies a murderer from that beginging . The mark of Cain bury the evidence (Able's blood) under the corn field . . . out of sight out of mind. No faith needed. the foundation of pagainism

The Son of man performed the one time propmised demonstration of the father not seen working in the Son of man Jesus seen . Some did know Christ after the flesh but when he left to never to return in the flesh. . He informed us we know him no more by what the eyes see (the temporal) . God is not a man. We must compare everything that relates to the idea that God is a man rather than eternal God without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof.

2 Corinthians5: 6 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

We do not destroy the simplicity of the gospel .But that does not mean we are not to rightly divide the parable of the signified tongue of God’s inspiration. (gag on a gnat and swallow a camel.)

The Holy Spirit does not number days or people. He warns us of those of the number. Saying they are no wise. Like when David was enticed by the god of this world to number the troops rather that walking by faithhe put his trust in the temporal things seen . Many died for that sin. It was a lesson in faith for David and us.

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Rightly dividing the inspired and signified tongue of God found in parables teach us how to walk by faith.

Jesus said it a evil generation (no faith) that looks to a sign to wonder after .No sign to wonder after was given .

Signs of the times as things going on from the beginning have a different purpose set aside.

History repeats itself because of moral issue at the rise and fall of any empire. So then in order to find the signified understanding we look to the literal historical as the temporal thing seen and mix it with the unseen according to the prescription for rightly dividing the parables .He I has left us with that valuable interpreting tool.. it reveals the gospel hid to them lost

2 Corinthians 4: 3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

2 Corinthians 4: 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The whole book of Revelation is presented as a parable.(signified tongue) The opening interpretation instruction is clear that not only is it inspired but also signified.

Revelation 1:1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

 

[Keraz]

Revelation 1:1 King James Version (KJV) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Revelation 1:1.....and He made it known by sending His angel to His servant; John. REBible

Reliance on the KJV, leads people astray.
Revelation is a Book that vividly describes our future. Only those who want to reject that truth, say it is 'spiritual', or a worse lie: it all happened in the past.

We HAVE been informed of God's Plans, all throughout the Bible. The statement of Paul's is very telling: All the things that happened to the ancient Israelites were symbolic and were recorded as a warning for us, upon whom the end of the age has come. 1 Cor 10:11

 

[Gary Urban]

Revelation 1:1.....and He made it known by sending His angel to His servant; John. REBible

Reliance on the KJV, leads people astray.
Revelation is a Book that vividly describes our future. Only those who want to reject that truth, say it is 'spiritual', or a worse lie: it all happened in the past.

We HAVE been informed of God's Plans, all throughout the Bible. The statement of Paul's is very telling: All the things that happened to the ancient Israelites were symbolic and were recorded as a warning for us, upon whom the end of the age has come. 1 Cor 10:11

Hi thanks for the reply.And yes it did make it know and signified the understanding.it describes the past present and future .A summary of all. The Grand overture.

I would offer. . The same kind of interpretation instructions needed to rightly divide is also given in others beside the King James .No sign was given to wonder after. Jesus said it an evil faithless generation that does seek after signs and wonders.

Revelation 1 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to make known to his servants the things which must shortly come to pass: and signified, sending by his angel to his servant John.

Revelation 1 Young's Literal Translation (YLT) 1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his servants what things it behoveth to come to pass quickly; and he did signify [it], having sent through his messenger to his servant John,


If we literalize the signified understanding then a person must rely on the historical value alone. No spiritual unseen faith value. The signified understanding of the parable will not be found because it is not searched after.

In that way the prescription for rightly dividing the parables remains the same this is any time parables or figure to represent the unseen are in sight.

2 Corithians4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Many according to my experience many have no idea of the first century reformation and what it performed .It’s like it the sign as a wonder with Jonas (three days and nights the gospel was fulfilled by the Son of man Jesus. It is like the reformation never happened too many who do not lok to the spirutl understanding hid from natural unconverted mankind (no faith) .

And so seeking after sign to wonder after rather than faith. . believing the end of the issue is still something we could look to and wonder after as if we are still under the abomination of desolation Kings in Israel a hierarchy of fathers, kings and princes the lord it over the faith of non-venerable show watchers .. Jesus says they have their reward

Hebrew 9:8-10 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

 

[Timtofly]

Didn't say that. I think most of the 2.65 billion Christians will be saved. That is 1/3 of the planet. Parables dont necessarily give real data. Parables don't mention specific details like names of people or specific numbers, they are just allegorical.
So symbolically the five virgins aren't Christians at all. But some may think they are as you say, but not as much as half of the church.

So your symbolism breaks down and the virgins do not represent the church. They represent national Israel. Since national Israel does not represent the Atonement, but only the elect whom God chose to be ready.

 

[Timtofly]

So your prepared to deny we are the body of Christ.

As ambassadors on earth. Not Jesus Christ, Himself. We did not die on the Cross, God did. We are not the means of our Atonement. God is the Atonement. Humans are the expressed image of God. Except even Christians remain in the fallen image of Adam and not that of God, while fulfilling the role of ambassador on earth. That is why God took on human flesh. Instead of God changing us, at each given point, we in Christ, accept the position as sons of God.

 

[Gary Urban]

So your symbolism breaks down and the virgins do not represent the church. They represent national Israel. Since national Israel does not represent the Atonement, but only the elect whom God chose to be ready.

The golden reed or measure of faith. Not a literal number as the measure of man . Five is used to represent redemption. Ten, hundred ,or thousand represent the whole. The virgin bride of Christ redeemed .It does not represent half as the measure of man. God does not number people or time. He desires we walk by faith the unseen.

 

[Gary Urban]

Where does the idea of a prophetic day come from?

The two words "second coming" are not found working together to form a doctrine

The Spirit of Christ that indwells the beliver old and new testement he has never left. The idea of second coming is the depature from this world and creation on the last day under the Sun . 1000 years represent a unknown .God desires we walk by faith not after lying signs needed to wonder by.

Jesus said its a evil generation, natural unconverted faithless mankind that does seek after .None whwere given save the sign of the time things goes on right from the beginning just like in the days of Noah .

Walk by faith.The unseen.

 

[Waiting on him]

As ambassadors on earth. Not Jesus Christ, Himself. We did not die on the Cross, God did. We are not the means of our Atonement. God is the Atonement. Humans are the expressed image of God. Except even Christians remain in the fallen image of Adam and not that of God, while fulfilling the role of ambassador on earth. That is why God took on human flesh. Instead of God changing us, at each given point, we in Christ, accept the position as sons of God.

Okay then, you are not the body of Christ.

though according to you your a representative?

 

[Waiting on him]

As ambassadors on earth. Not Jesus Christ, Himself. We did not die on the Cross, God did. We are not the means of our Atonement. God is the Atonement. Humans are the expressed image of God. Except even Christians remain in the fallen image of Adam and not that of God, while fulfilling the role of ambassador on earth. That is why God took on human flesh. Instead of God changing us, at each given point, we in Christ, accept the position as sons of God.

Your a first century Jew/apostle,,,,, that’s amazing!

 

[Timtofly]

Okay then, you are not the body of Christ.

though according to you your a representative?

Not literally. Symbolically the church is the body of Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:18-21

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[n2thelight]

Moses had free will and disobeyed God. He was rejected from the Promised Land. Did God force Moses to disobey God? Why would your view of God force people to disobey God? Was Adam elected to be forced to bring sin into the world. You contradict your own stance by removing free will from some humans.

Mosses did not have free will ,he was chosen before being born of woman .He was chosen before he was placed in the water as a babe . Question, why did God interfere in Paul's life ? The answer is because he (Paul) was a chosen vessel ,when did he become that, simple, he was already justified .

You say Adam, go before Adam and flesh man ,go back to when satan rebelled ,when was that ?

For every positive in the Word there's a negative

Oh why did Mosses appear with Christ ?

My stance is not contradicted

 

[n2thelight]

So saying God is ignorant resolves the problem? God not willing that any should perish, made the Atonement for every single descendant of Adam. God knew some would reject God. Those who reject God are not going to be rewarded with eternal life. They recieve eternal damnation. God is not torturing them to recant. God says they will never change their minds and He knows all that. Eternal torment is eternal damnation.

All names were written down and sealed before Creation. The book has not been unsealed. No names can be added or removed. All names are already there. The souls are not there. Souls begin at conception and sealed by the Holy Spirit. The names of the souls were in the book of life before Creation. Free will is the ability to reject the Atonement, and break the seal of the Holy Spirit, to the point of being reprobate, and the spirit is dead along with the soul and body. At the GWT, names will be removed by choice of each soul.

No!

Simple question ,if He know's why are we here ?

 

[n2thelight]

@ Timtofly
Why didn't God kill satan and all that followed him at the time it happened, if you can't answer that ,it's still a lot for you to learn.
When did satan become evil ? It's in the Word find it study it and then let's talk about it..

 

[Timtofly]

No!

Simple question ,if He know's why are we here ?

God also knows why some are never born. How much richer life would be if all had been born and allowed to live.

 

[Timtofly]

My stance is not contradicted

I exercise my free will to let you concede without an argument. I am sure you will claim I had no choice in the matter. My stance is also not contradicted, because you claim God forces humans to kill other humans. Your interpretation of God contradicts the point God is not willing that any should perish.

 

[Timtofly]

@ Timtofly
Why didn't God kill satan and all that followed him at the time it happened, if you can't answer that ,it's still a lot for you to learn.
When did satan become evil ? It's in the Word find it study it and then let's talk about it..

You will not even talk about God giving humans free will. Why talk about Satan?

 

[n2thelight]

I exercise my free will to let you concede without an argument. I am sure you will claim I had no choice in the matter. My stance is also not contradicted, because you claim God forces humans to kill other humans. Your interpretation of God contradicts the point God is not willing that any should perish.

See, you missing my point in all these replies,
Unless you are of the elect you have freewill ,those whom God choose before this age are already justified.

Everything that's happening and has happened in the world , is because of freewill that's why one can't and should never blame God
however for God's plan to come to pass as written there are some whom He must interfere ,ie the Elect .

What is the whole theme of the Bible to you ?

 

[n2thelight]

God also knows why some are never born. How much richer life would be if all had been born and allowed to live.

Go deeper ,example ,do you understand that man was never meant to be born flesh ? Now ask yourself why were we ,unless you believe you were created at birth, you won't get it .And I like the way you duck my questions ….