After the Devil is Cast Out

[Jay Ross]

But... WHEN that happens, none of them will be in a flesh body any longer, because on the day of Christ's future coming on the "day of the Lord", no one will be in a flesh body anymore. This world in the flesh will be over. Everyone... will be in their "spiritual body", including the wicked, because the spiritual body is the body TYPE of the world to come. That is why there will be a "resurrection unto damnation" also, what Paul had hope in for the "unjust" in the world to come (Acts 24:15).

Ah Davy, your understanding is suspect. The Armageddon judgement of the drawing of the kings of the earth is a near future event. It will occur probably around 22 or so years from now. The only portion of the sixth Bowl judgement to still occur is the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon. The Seventh Bowl Judgement is practically completed with all of the conformation witness prophecies having been fulfilled.

The Isaiah 24:21-22 prophecy will be fulfilled in our near future, probably in around 22 or so years from now. This prophecy confirms the Armageddon Prophecy and also tells us when Satan and the other wicked fallen angels will be forced out of heaven and down to the earth to be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for 365,250 days awaiting the time of their punishment.

When our understanding of God's timeline for the fulfilling of the prophesied event is out of sorts with the actual timeline that they will occur in, then we become lost within our own reasoning and we have difficulties in explaining what will and is going to happen in the future.

Oh well, such is the plight of people.

 

[rwb]

Satan was already rebellious and deceiving Eve.

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,"

To decieve those during the Millennium.

Satan was certainly not allowed to rebel until after the Sabbath.

Do you have proof it was before the Sabbath?

What makes you believe that the serpent causing Eve to be deceived was contrary to what he was created to be? Remember the serpent was created to be more cunning, and crafty and prudent (more subtil Gen 3:1) than any beast of the field that God had made. Why do you suppose God allowed this cunning, crafty and prudent creature, to be in the garden with the man and woman who had no knowledge of these characteristics before eating of the forbidden tree? God forbade mankind from eating of the tree that would give them knowledge of both good and evil. Was it not God's plan from before the foundation of the world to allow sin, and death through sin to enter into His "very good" creation? If God had not planned for both sin and death, why does Scripture speak of Christ as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?

 

[Truth7t7]

Christ warned the first century disciples that they would see or understand the AOD present in the holy place. The struggle for you seems to be a lack of understanding what the holy place is. It ceased being Jerusalem and the temple long before 70 AD. Christ tells His disciples, in every age, to understand the AOD would cause great tribulation toward the church as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all the earth. That means the AOD, and great tribulation is not limited to any one time in history but shall be connected with the holy place throughout this age within the holy place wherever the Gospel is proclaimed.

Christ had already stated Jerusalem had killed the prophets and those sent to them, then rejecting their promised Messiah, the city and temple were already desolate, and for that reason they would be utterly destroyed. And this happened just as Christ said it would in 70 AD. Understanding historical facts about when Rome sacked Jerusalem and the temple does not make me partial preterist. It simply means I can believe historical facts. Since Jerusalem and temple were no longer a holy place unto God even before the advent of Christ, the only holy place Christ warns His disciples AOD would come with great tribulation is the church, as the body of Christ on earth.

Satan and his demonic minions always use mankind to accomplish their antichrist/antichristian deeds on earth. John likens them to Gog and Magog. These men under the power and influence of Satan, as false prophets, and beasts have from the beginning of the universal church on earth been mixed within the body of believers, called the church or body of Christ. They have always come with power and shall continue to wax worse and worse as the day of Christ's return draws nearer.

The church on earth from Old Covenant (two olive trees) and New Covenant (two candlesticks) is called to be witnesses for Christ. From the Old their witness of the Gospel was through the Law and Prophets, and from the new through faithful Churches proclaiming the Gospel of Christ through the power of the Spirit. When their testimony is finished near the end of this age when the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, the seventh trumpet will begin to sound that time given this church age for proclaiming the Gospel is finished. Satan will be released for his little season, and the last of the two witnesses on earth (church) will be encompassed as Satan leads Gog (antichrists) and Magog (antichristians) to overcome and kill them. Though they appear on earth as lifeless ruin for the same amount of time the body of Christ was entombed, they are not put into graves, because the Spirit of life returns to them, and they hear a voice from heaven calling saying to them, "Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them." Very quickly the second woe has passed, Christ has returned and claimed His bride (Church) from this earth, and the fire of God comes down from heaven to utterly burn up this earth and whosoever is still living on it.

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Truth7t7]

Why did you just bypass that "And they worshipped the dragon" part? Who is the "dragon" per that Rev.12 chapter? It is Satan himself.

The "beast" that is talking about the "dragon" (Satan) gives power to, is the Rev.13:1 "beast" that comes up out of the sea (of peoples per Rev.17), and has ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. That beast is a BEAST KINGDOM, not the Antichrist beast.

The "another beast" starting at Rev.13:11 is the Antichrist beast, and that is who the Rev.12:4 verse is pointing to with, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"

I Strongly Disagree

(The Beast) of Revelation Chapter 13 will be a individual human man, and I believe a king/ruler of Jewish/Hebrew decent

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[jcentricity]

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Papacy believes through Transubstantiation bread literally becomes Jesus. They have turned bread into the worst idol of the ages. The wafer is their god. Eucharist Mass Wafer = Abomination of Desolation = Image of the beast. The wafer "speaks" through their church doctrine.

 

[Truth7t7]

Papacy believes through Transubstantiation bread literally becomes Jesus. They have turned bread into the worst idol of the ages. The wafer is their god. Eucharist Mass Wafer = Abomination of Desolation = Image of the beast. The wafer "speaks" through their church doctrine.

"I Disagree"

No the eucharistic isn't the AOD, nor the image of the beast

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[jcentricity]

"I Disagree"

No the eucharistic isn't the AOD, nor the image of the beast

Jesus Is The Lord

4th Beast in Book of Revelation is the Roman Empire so we know the Abomination of Desolation is of Roman origin. What idol can be worst then claiming that a piece of bread is literally the Godhead? Papacy has also stopped "sacrifices" spoken of by Daniel by denying the priesthood of Christians and setup their own priesthood so we have more prophetic alignment

 

[Truth7t7]

4th Beast in Book of Revelation is the Roman Empire so we know the Abomination of Desolation is of Roman origin. What idol can be worst then claiming that a piece of bread is literally the Godhead? Papacy has also stopped "sacrifices" spoken of by Daniel by denying the priesthood of Christians and setup their own priesthood so we have more prophetic alignment

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV
19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

 

[Davy]

During seal judgements Christ starts to judge the pagan Roman Empire.

I disagree, strongly.

The Seals of Revelation 6 is for the LAST GENERATION that will 'see' Christ's return.

That of course was NOT back in history during the pagan Roman empire. And the Roman empire is not going to be revived again for the end either, but only a similitude via a small group of bankers in Rome called The Club of Rome.

 

[jcentricity]

I disagree, strongly.

The Seals of Revelation 6 is for the LAST GENERATION that will 'see' Christ's return.

That of course was NOT back in history during the pagan Roman empire. And the Roman empire is not going to be revived again for the end either, but only a similitude via a small group of bankers in Rome called The Club of Rome.

6th seal Jesus appears but that's not the second coming it's symbolic of Roman Empire becoming a Christian empire under Constantine If you are saying Roman Empire will not be revived ignore you are ignoring history. Ancient Roman Empire -> Roman Empire split East vs West -> Holy Roman Empire revives Eastern part of Roman Empire -> Roman Empire revives under United States -> Roman Empire expanded under the EU -> Russia collapses now EU gobbling up ex Soviet states and expanding EU -> NATO formed representing a revived Roman Empire of Nation States -> Macron wants to revive the ancient region of the Roman Empire and has formed the European Political Community which will include countries that were once in the ancient Roman Empire. At high level Roman Empire has been revived under the United States and the United States and it's nation state vassals EU, Canada... make up the revived Roman Empire. Real global war is Nation States (Revived Roman Empire aka Babylon) vs Civilization States (Russia, China, Middle East..) Book of Revelation is trying to convey Babylon and the Revived Roman Empire are indeed one. Zechariah 4th chariot unique from all others it has two sets of horses one for Babylon and one for the Roman Empire again trying to convey that Babylon and the Roman Empire are indeed one

 

[Davy]

6th seal Jesus appears but that's not the second coming it's symbolic of Roman Empire becoming a Christian empire under Constantine If you are saying Roman Empire will not be revived ignore you are ignoring history. Ancient Roman Empire -> Roman Empire split East vs West -> Holy Roman Empire revives Eastern part of Roman Empire -> Roman Empire revives under United States -> Roman Empire expanded under the EU -> Russia collapses now EU gobbling up ex Soviet states and expanding EU -> NATO formed representing a revived Roman Empire of Nation States -> Macron wants to revive the ancient region of the Roman Empire and has formed the European Political Community which will include countries that were once in the ancient Roman Empire. At high level Roman Empire has been revived under the United States and the United States and it's nation state vassals EU, Canada... make up the revived Roman Empire. Real global war is Nation States (Revived Roman Empire aka Babylon) vs Civilization States (Russia, China, Middle East..) Book of Revelation is trying to convey Babylon and the Revived Roman Empire are indeed one. Zechariah 4th chariot unique from all others it has two sets of horses one for Babylon and one for the Roman Empire again trying to convey that Babylon and the Roman Empire are indeed one

The 6th Seal of Rev.6 is in 2 PARTS. The latter part is... about the LAST DAY of this present world when Jesus comes on the "day of the Lord".

So just about everything you've said above is FLAT IGNORANCE and DIRECTLY GOING AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD. If I were the head moderator here, I would never allow someone with such vain babble as above back on this forum.

 

[jcentricity]

The 6th Seal of Rev.6 is in 2 PARTS. The latter part is... about the LAST DAY of this present world when Jesus comes on the "day of the Lord".

So just about everything you've said above is FLAT IGNORANCE and DIRECTLY GOING AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD. If I were the head moderator here, I would never allow someone with such vain babble as above back on this forum.

You don't understand Book of Revelation. 6th symbolically describes how Jesus conquered the pagan Roman Empire and it became a Christian Empire. Jesus told disciples Roman 70AD invasion was a type of Jesus coming back. How? In judgement in that Christ judgement was embodied in Roman 70AD invasion. Luke 21:22 states "For these are the days of vengeance.." Who's vengeance? Who's coming back in vengeance? Jesus symbolically came back to exert his vengeance via the Roman Empire. Did Jesus physically Empire in 70AD No. Same applies to 6th seal where pagan Roman Empire became a Christian Empire. You can't say Jesus second coming is at 6th seal because it's illogical. Jesus told disciples "You will not see me again until you (Israel as a nation fully comes into belief) Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord" Jesus will physically return to save Israel during the Great Tribulation so this means all other comings of Jesus in Book of Revelation outside of Jesus appearing on white horse (because this could be his physical return) are symbolic of something else like his vengeance. Not only that but at 6th bowl Jesus said he's coming again proving 6th seal coming is ENTIRELY symbolic and symbolizes the Roman Empire becoming a Christian empire. Moderator will never ban me because they will look at my posts and see I am well schooled on the Book of Revelation as this post proves.

 

[Timtofly]

What makes you believe that the serpent causing Eve to be deceived was contrary to what he was created to be? Remember the serpent was created to be more cunning, and crafty and prudent (more subtil Gen 3:1) than any beast of the field that God had made. Why do you suppose God allowed this cunning, crafty and prudent creature, to be in the garden with the man and woman who had no knowledge of these characteristics before eating of the forbidden tree? God forbade mankind from eating of the tree that would give them knowledge of both good and evil. Was it not God's plan from before the foundation of the world to allow sin, and death through sin to enter into His "very good" creation? If God had not planned for both sin and death, why does Scripture speak of Christ as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world?

God knowing what would happen does not mean God planned it to happen.

You claim God created Satan specifically to mess up His own creation.

 

[rwb]

God knowing what would happen does not mean God planned it to happen.

You claim God created Satan specifically to mess up His own creation.

God created the serpent more cunning and crafty to try/test the man woman whom He created with complete autonomy (free will). God already knowing mankind would NOT freely choose to submit to another, not even to Him for everlasting life, had from before creation provided a way for mankind to be redeemed from both sin and death that came through sin, and to obtain eternal life through the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world.

 

[jcentricity]

Here's a tidbit on the latter part of Revelation 12 for those brethren interested...

From this point forward, this Scripture is all about the very END of this world, specifically the "great tribulation" event caused by the devil being cast down to this earth with his angels...

Rev 12:7-17
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

That part in red above is especially important to understand. It's because that shows Satan (that "dragon), that his place right now is in Heaven. But when this war with Archangel Michael happens in Heaven, then Satan's place will no longer be in Heaven. What does that mean then?

God's written Word reveals there are TWO separate dimensions of existence. There is this earthly dimension we live in here on earth. And then there is the Heavenly dimension where our Heavenly Father, His Son, and the angels dwell. It is in a dimension made up of Spirit, and not material matter like this earthly one. That MUST be understood to grasp the above event. It means Satan and his angels are coming... HERE... in OUR earthly dimension, de facto, literally upon this earth in PLAIN SIGHT. All peoples and nations will see him, and think he is God (2 Thessalonians 2).


10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Do you understand that above means for the END... of this world, and not for some time in past history for these events? Since when was the power of Christ's Salvation offered back in the old world when Satan first rebelled against God? Some false prophets actually teach that, saying these events already happened back when Satan first rebelled. Not true. These events are for the last days leading up to Christ's future coming.

Did you notice that event in verse 11 above about those who overcome by "the blood of the Lamb" (Jesus Christ), and they gave a Testimony, and loved not their lives unto death? What is the 5th Seal of Revelation 6 about? It is about the souls under the altar in Heaven asking God how long until His revenge is poured upon the earth. God tells them to yet wait a little season, until their fellowservants are killed as they were. That is pointing to the coming time "great tribulation", not past history.


12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

What "short time"? The shortened time for the "great tribulation". Lord Jesus gave it to His faithful who keep HIS Word. Do you know it? It is written in His Revelation. Satan, that dragon, well knows he has but a short time to work his deception upon the earth for the end.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Rev.12:6 already mentioned a previous 1260 days period prior to the dragon being cast down to this earth. Here is the latter half of the Daniel 9:27 symbolic "one week" which represents 7 years. The 1260 day periods equal 7 years.

This statement is wrong "The 1260 day periods equal 7 years". Daniels 70 weeks completed at the time of Jesus death and resurrection because angel told Daniel it will take 70 weeks to bring in everlasting righteousness this was accomplished during Christ resurrection. The Time of the Gentiles is outside of Daniels 70 weeks and is 2,520 prophetic years. In the middle of these prophetic years the Papacy aka Apostate Christendom setup the Abomination of Desolation in the church aka claiming through Transubstantiation Eucharist wafer literally becomes Jesus. They turned bread into the worst idol of the ages. The wafer is their god. Papacy started persecuting Christians in the middle of the Time of the Gentiles for 42 months = 1260 years from 538 to 1798.

So when Satan and his angels are cast out of the Heavenly down to this earth, literally, he will persecute the symbolic 'woman' which will represent Christ's Church at that time for the end. The majority of Jews will still be unbelief, and follow the dragon as the false-Messiah, so this symbolic 'woman' cannot mean them. This 'woman' represents those in Christ the devil will be against because they will know who this false-Messiah actually is, i.e., the devil himself. Thus this 'woman' here represents Christ's ELECT who cannot be deceived at the end. Are you in this group, ready to serve Lord Jesus at the end, by making a 'stand' in the "evil day" for Him? Jesus said some of us would be delivered up to give a Testimony for Him, and to speak whatever The Holy Spirit gives us to say in that 'hour'.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

Did you notice how Christ used the symbols here back and forth of the 'dragon' and 'serpent'? Both are about the devil himself, Satan. Did Lord Jesus do that to get our attention on these events? I think so.

The symbolic analogy of the LIES that will come out of the devil-false-Messiah's mouth being like a flood of waters is actually an analogy first given back in the Old Testament prophets. Isaiah was given to speak of these 'waters as a flood' in regard to "the Assyrian", the historical king of Assyria that came upon Israel. The kings of Assyria actually removed the ten northern tribes of Israel from the land. God in some places in Isaiah uses this title "the Assyrian" as symbolic for Satan himself.

What this means is that Christ is pointing us back to historical events in the Book of Isaiah dealing with the Assyrian, and using that as a blueprint for the end time events by this "serpent" coming to persecute Christ's elect for the end.


16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

The LIES out of Satan's mouth, for that is where we are shown those waters as a flood come from, does that affect Christ's elect. That's what this symbology about the woman being protected with Satan's flood of lies being swallowed up by the earth represents.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

And thusly, Satan will be very angry that he will not be able to deceive Christ's elect. So he will go to make war with Christ's elect towards the end of the "great tribulation". That's who we are being shown this 'woman' is during these events since Rev.12:7. It's about the end time saints that have the Testimony of Jesus Christ.

Mark 13:9-11
9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.
10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
KJV

 

[Davy]

This statement is wrong "The 1260 day periods equal 7 years".

You are correct about that error. The 1260 days period equal the LATTER HALF of the 7 years, is what I meant to say. And basically ANYONE READING MY PREVIOUS STATEMENTS would have KNOWN that!

But YOU, like a FALSE SCRIBE AND PHARISEE JUDAIZER, sought to point out a slip of statement that is easily cleared up by my previous statements, showing YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEWHAT AGAINST ME!

MAY MY HEAVENLY FATHER REBUKE YOU, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. And just wait, because His rebuke is coming.

 

[Timtofly]

God created the serpent more cunning and crafty to try/test the man woman whom He created with complete autonomy (free will). God already knowing mankind would NOT freely choose to submit to another, not even to Him for everlasting life, had from before creation provided a way for mankind to be redeemed from both sin and death that came through sin, and to obtain eternal life through the Lamb slain from before the foundation of the world.

"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman,"

I think you change Scripture to make it say something it does not.

Satan just used a form that Eve was comfortable with.

You don't think just a normal subtil literal serpent tempted Eve, do you? You do realize it was Satan?

"And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,"

You are saying that God did something on purpose so Satan could take advantage. I don't see that in Scripture unless you have a verse that explains your belief system.

Again knowing what will happen is not the same thing as planning it all out to happen.

I accept that God orchestrates some humans to be born to live out a certain plan. Satan is not a human. You are implying that God purposed sin, when He declares the opposite in Scripture.

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

Temptation that leads to sin is not the same thing as God testing people to obedience. God did not plant the tree to force Adam to disobey. God planted the tree to enforce obedience. There was only one commandment. It was not that hard to even obey that commandment. It is natural for God to set laws and even boundaries that creation cannot brake.

For example: if Adam had built a spaceship and then stepped out in the firmament, without a suit, Adam would still die. That would be reality, even if there was no law stating: do not build a spaceship.

Saying that God specifically did something on purpose to allow sin is human philosophical reasoning contrary to God's Word.

 

[6 Stories]

Both Rev 8:13 and Rev 12:12 state that there will be woe on earth. Things on earth (physical realities in Rev 8) reflect things in heaven (spiritual realities in Rev 12). There will be a single time when this woe will come upon the inhabitants of earth because this is the time Satan is cast to earth. This time of woe starts between the 4th and 5th trumpet. In my opinion, Satan was cast to earth in 1982, during the physical event of the Chernobyl/Wormwood explosion. Satan is persecuting Israel (which could not have happened before 1948) and we are waiting for the 5th trumpet to blow. See my Revelation chart Story 3 and Story 4.

 

[covenantee]

Both Rev 8:13 and Rev 12:12 state that there will be woe on earth. Things on earth (physical realities in Rev 8) reflect things in heaven (spiritual realities in Rev 12). There will be a single time when this woe will come upon the inhabitants of earth because this is the time Satan is cast to earth. This time of woe starts between the 4th and 5th trumpet. In my opinion, Satan was cast to earth in 1982, during the physical event of the Chernobyl/Wormwood explosion. Satan is persecuting Israel (which could not have happened before 1948) and we are waiting for the 5th trumpet to blow. See my Revelation chart Story 3 and Story 4.

Israel is overwhelmingly secular, and thus already serving Satan.

Satan has no need to, and does not, persecute those who are already serving him.

 

[Davy]

Both Rev 8:13 and Rev 12:12 state that there will be woe on earth. Things on earth (physical realities in Rev 8) reflect things in heaven (spiritual realities in Rev 12). There will be a single time when this woe will come upon the inhabitants of earth because this is the time Satan is cast to earth. This time of woe starts between the 4th and 5th trumpet. In my opinion, Satan was cast to earth in 1982, during the physical event of the Chernobyl/Wormwood explosion. Satan is persecuting Israel (which could not have happened before 1948) and we are waiting for the 5th trumpet to blow. See my Revelation chart Story 3 and Story 4.

Not cast out yet per the Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture...

We MUST stick to the Biblical context in Rev.12:7-17 about his casting out of the Heavenly dimension down to earth in our dimension...

Rev 12:7-15
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Many of my Christian brethren have difficulty with understanding the two different dimensions of existence, this earthly one we live in, and the Heavenly one where God and the angels live, including Satan and his angels, with all in the Heavenly behind a type of invisible veil we cannot see.

That is the idea of this event with Satan being cast out of the Heavenly dimension after that future war in Heaven. When that happens, there's only one other place Satan and his angels can go, and that is to OUR earthly dimension. So he is coming, like Lord Jesus said, and we will see him right here on earth.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

That "dragon" is simply another one of Satan's many titles. When he and his angels are cast out of Heaven, it means they have to come here, to our dimension, and they won't be invisible, because only in the Heavenly dimension can one be behind the invisible veil.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

The reason why that is said, in Heaven then, is because Satan and his angels will no longer be allowed to appear there. Until this casting out event in our near future, Satan will be able to accuse us before God's Throne in Heaven. As of right now, Satan is still going before God's Throne.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That above verse solidly places the timing of this casting out event. That event of those overcomers that love not their lives unto the death is about those of the 5th Seal of Revelation 6. That's about those of us that will be delivered up during the coming "great tribulation". That puts this casting out event at the 'end', for the "great tribulation" timing.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

In several places in New Testament Scripture, the idea of the "great tribulation" time is given in the symbolic sense of "one hour". Even the ten kings that rule with the beast (king) it is said will give their power to the beast for "one hour". That "short time" is thus a symbolic reference to the time of "great tribulation" for the very end of this world. Thus by that, it automatically associates Satan being cast out of Heaven with the coming tribulation, and his playing the role of the Antichrist for the end.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

That "a time, and times, and half a time" is given in the Book of Daniel about the latter half of the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27. It is equal to 1260 days, or 42 months. Per Rev.11 and Rev.13, the Gentiles are to tread the holy city for 42 months, and the dragon is reign over all nations and peoples for 42 months. That is about the coming "great tribulation" time at the very end.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
KJV

Per Revelation 9, what the locusts cast out of their 'mouths' is where their power is we are told. What comes out of one's mouth? Words! So this water as a flood out of the serpent's mouth (Satan), is about Satan coming to play false-Messiah with deceiving the whole world into believing he is God. Christ's faithful elect will NOT believe it though, and many of our own brethren will persecute us because they will wrongly believe on that false one thinking he is Jesus Christ having come.