After the Devil is Cast Out

[Timtofly]

How can you have a first woe if Satan has not been cast out? Don't the 3 woes come upon the inhabitants of the earth specifically because Satan has been cast from heaven to earth?
See post 232.

How can Satan be cast out in the past?

The Trumpets are still future. You are the one claiming Satan has already been cast out.

Satan has not been cast out, as that is the third and last woe.

Satan has been free over the past near 6,000 years to come and go freely from heaven to earth, and back to heaven.

He was never cast out at any time in the past. Job 1:6-9

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?"

If Satan was ever cast out, he could not just show up whenever he pleased.

At the 5th Trumpet, it would seem that God let Satan open the pit and release those rebel angels. Jude 1:6

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The judgment of the great day would be fulfulled at the 5th Trumpet, the first woe. By the 7th Trumpet, Satan and the angels would have started their assault on heaven itself. That is why during the 7th Trumpet, there is a war in heaven, and that is when Satan and the angels are cast out. Jude does not say they were cast out. Jude states they left the firmament, ie walked away from their task as angels in rebellion. After they walked away, they were placed in chains in the pit, just like Satan will be. It never says they even made it to earth. They are not on earth until the 5th Trumpet.

No to your question. The third woe is when Satan is cast to earth and banned from heaven.

"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child."

That is the third woe.

"The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded;"

That verse is in the 11th chapter, before the verse in the 12th chapter when Satan is cast out.

 

[6 Stories]

How can Satan be cast out in the past?

The Trumpets are still future. You are the one claiming Satan has already been cast out.

Satan has not been cast out, as that is the third and last woe.

Satan has been free over the past near 6,000 years to come and go freely from heaven to earth, and back to heaven.

He was never cast out at any time in the past. Job 1:6-9

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?"

If Satan was ever cast out, he could not just show up whenever he pleased.

At the 5th Trumpet, it would seem that God let Satan open the pit and release those rebel angels. Jude 1:6

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The judgment of the great day would be fulfulled at the 5th Trumpet, the first woe. By the 7th Trumpet, Satan and the angels would have started their assault on heaven itself. That is why during the 7th Trumpet, there is a war in heaven, and that is when Satan and the angels are cast out. Jude does not say they were cast out. Jude states they left the firmament, ie walked away from their task as angels in rebellion. After they walked away, they were placed in chains in the pit, just like Satan will be. It never says they even made it to earth. They are not on earth until the 5th Trumpet.

No to your question. The third woe is when Satan is cast to earth and banned from heaven.

"Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child."

That is the third woe.

"The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded;"

That verse is in the 11th chapter, before the verse in the 12th chapter when Satan is cast out.

Compare stories 3 and 4, especially Rev 8:13 and Rev 12:12. Woe comes to the inhabitors of the earth because Satan has been cast to earth. There are 3 woes. The first woe is the 5th trumpet, the second woe is the 6th trumpet, and the third woe is the 7th trumpet. The 6th trumpet includes the 3.5 year period of great tribulation. 1/3 of mankind will be killed during this trumpet - Rev 9:15. If God did not intervene at the end of the 3.5 years, everyone on earth would have died - Matt 24:21-22. God intervenes by raising the 2 witnesses from the dead and into heaven - Rev 11:8-12. God takes dominion over the earth from Satan at the time of the 7th trumpet. This is when God destroys "those who destroy the earth" - Rev 11:18. The judgment of the great day is described during the 7th trumpet in Rev 11:18-19. Rev 12, beginning at verse 7, retells the story of the trumpets, revealing the spiritual forces behind the physical events in the trumpets.

 

[Timtofly]

Rev 12, beginning at verse 7, retells the story of the trumpets, revealing the spiritual forces behind the physical events in the trumpets.

No, the Trumpets are not repeated in Revelation 12. Revelation 12 introduces the dragon, Satan into the narrative. Satan is cast out at the 7th Trumpet. Only then does the 42 month period start called the AoD. Satan is not mentioned by name until after the 7th Trumpet sounds.

It is more likely than not that Satan opens the pit at the 5th Trumpet, but Satan is cast out of heaven at the 7th Trumpet. Satan and his angels make up the 3 woes. The 3 Trumpets are God at work. The woes are Satan at work.

 

[6 Stories]

No, the Trumpets are not repeated in Revelation 12. Revelation 12 introduces the dragon, Satan into the narrative. Satan is cast out at the 7th Trumpet. Only then does the 42 month period start called the AoD. Satan is not mentioned by name until after the 7th Trumpet sounds.

It is more likely than not that Satan opens the pit at the 5th Trumpet, but Satan is cast out of heaven at the 7th Trumpet. Satan and his angels make up the 3 woes. The 3 Trumpets are God at work. The woes are Satan at work.

Rev 8:13 "And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!"

Rev 12:12 "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."

Curiously similar statements above. Comparison below of the time that Satan rules on earth.

Rev 13:5 says Satan has power for 42 months which is also 3.5 years, 1260 days, a time, times, and a half a time. This same time is shown in Rev 12:14. This is the time Satan reigns on earth.

Compare Dan 12:5-7 with Rev 10:5-7:
"5 Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished."

Rev 10:5-7
"5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

The above visions are also curiously similar. I believe Rev 10:5-7 is also 3.5 years. This is part of the 6th trumpet, which contains the 3.5 year great tribulation.
The Dan 12:5-7 vision of the great tribulation ends when the power of the holy people is scattered. The power of the holy people is the power of the 2 witnesses of Rev 11:3-14. They have power for these same 1260 days. After they have died, the 7th trumpet blows. Rev 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

The kingdoms of the world do not belong to Satan at the time of the 7th trumpet, but to God. Satan reigned over earth from Genesis 3 until the 7th trumpet. Satan's power has come to an end at this point. Gentiles will no longer trample Jerusalem. The 42 months of Rev 11:2, Gentile rule over Jerusalem, ends at the 7th trumpet. The time of Satan's greatest power over earth, his 42 month time of the great tribulation ends with the 7th trumpet. During the 7th trumpet, God pours out his wrath (Rev 11:18) on those who have been killing God's people for the past 3.5 years. God's wrath is specifically poured out in 7 bowls in Rev 16.

Satan and God do not reign over the earth together. The 42 month time period of Satan's reign is the 42 months before the 7th trumpet, the time of the great tribulation which occurs during the 6th trumpet, the 2nd woe.

Although the 42 month reign of Satan comes to an end at the start of the 7th trumpet, Satan will still gather the armies of the earth together at Armageddon to fight against God. This war is the 3rd woe which is repeated 6 times as the last plague in my chart.

 

[Timtofly]

Satan and God do not reign over the earth together. The 42 month time period of Satan's reign is the 42 months before the 7th trumpet, the time of the great tribulation which occurs during the 6th trumpet, the 2nd woe.

Although the 42 month reign of Satan comes to an end at the start of the 7th trumpet, Satan will still gather the armies of the earth together at Armageddon to fight against God. This war is the 3rd woe which is repeated 6 times as the last plague in my chart.

You quoted all the verses, and then made a claim in direct contradiction to those verses.

The third woe, Satan's 42 months is not until after the 7th Trumpet sounds. The 7th Trumpet sounds for a set of seven days.

3.5 days after the 7th Trumpet starts to sound is when earth is handed over to Satan. That is the only time God gives Satan authority over the earth.

Any other time is when humans allow Satan control, not God.

Armageddon is not a woe. Armageddon is when Jesus kills the rest of humanity. The last harvest to be removed from the earth.

The church is removed in the Seals. The goats and sheep are removed in the Trumpets. The wheat and tares are removed in the Thunders. Satan rules over the remaining humans for 42 months. Armageddon is the last removal of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. No soul is left on earth at that point with sin and Adam's punishment of death, being mortal.

Those who live in the Millennium are no longer bound to Adam's dead corruptible flesh. There is no sin. There is everlasting righteousness. That is the time declared over. When the 7th Trumpet stops is when Daniel's 70th week is finished.

All of earth is given in holiness under the authority of Christ. Sin no longer reigns. The point is if Satan is granted 42 months, it is because the harvest into eternal life is not over. That is the difference between those beheaded, and those with the mark. Just like the sheep and goats, or wheat and tares, in those last 42 months, there will be those with the mark, and those without their heads attached to their bodies.

 

[Davy]

What denomination teaches Lucifer is still in Heaven?

The Bible.

 

[Davy]

Judgments of Ez 14:21 - 1. wild beasts 2. sword 3. famine 4. pestilence
In Daniel 7, 4 beasts arise. Lion, bear, leopard, another beast
These 4 (wild) beasts had authority over the whole world to kill in the manner prescribed by Ezekiel, with sword, famine, and pestilence.
In Rev 6:2, the wild beasts are called conquerors seal 1, who have authority (Rev 6:8) over 1/4 of the earth to kill in the manner prescribed by Ezekiel, with sword - seal 2, famine - seal 3, and pestilence - seal 4.
These facts have 2,600 years of historical confirmation.

The new Roman Empire with authority over the whole world can't be blown in by the 4 winds until after 144,000 Jews become Christians. Rev 7:2 Dan 7:2-3 shows that the wild beasts are blown in by the 4 winds. This new Roman Empire will be the start of the final symbolic "one week" of Dan 9:27.

Rev 7:3 infers that the 4 judgments of Ezekiel stem from 4 angelic powers which can't harm the whole world until the 144,000 are sealed.
Rev 9:13-15 shows that these four angels are bound, kept from killing 1/3 of the earth until the 6th trumpet is blown. We can then deduce that the new Roman Empire won't be form through conquest. Only when the Roman Empire is taken over by the antichrist with the army of the 6th trumpet for the final 42 months (Rev 13:5) will the 4 Ez judgments increase from the current 25% maximum.

To me, your interpretation does not mesh with history or with the timing of other events in the Revelation.

Sorry, I don't hold to men's seminary doctrines of Historicsm or Preterism or Futurism, that all go against various Bible Scriptures.

And your 2,600 years of historical confirmation is certainly FUNNY! 2,600 years would take us back even BEFORE Christ's 1st coming, and His giving His Olivet discourse!!!



Proof that the Signs Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are for the very END of this world is easy.

Matt 24:33-34
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV

The final SIGN Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 was that of the day of His future return and gathering of His Church.

That means the event of His coming MUST... be included in that generation seeing "all these things", i.e., all these Signs.

It also means that generation will not pass until "all these things be fulfilled", again meaning ALL THOSE SIGNS, including the final one about His coming and gathering of His Church, must be seen, and fulfilled, in that final generation.

And that is so... simple to understand by KEEPING to the actual written Scripture.

 

[Davy]

How can you have a first woe if Satan has not been cast out? Don't the 3 woes come upon the inhabitants of the earth specifically because Satan has been cast from heaven to earth?
See post 232.

If you had understood the Rev.6 6th seal, Rev.9 6th trumpet, and Rev.16 6th vial, then you would understand when Satan will be here visible on earth.

 

[Timtofly]

If you had understood the Rev.6 6th seal, Rev.9 6th trumpet, and Rev.16 6th vial, then you would understand when Satan will be here visible on earth.

Satan is not mentioned in the 6th Seal. You are not keeping to Scripture either.

 

[ButterflyJones]

The Bible.

Book, chapter, verse, please.

 

[Davy]

Book, chapter, verse, please.

The following events are all... linked together about the last days, and have yet to happen today...

Rev 12:7-17
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

That war in Heaven has not yet happened to this day. It is also pointed to in the Daniel 12 chapter...

Dan 12:1
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
KJV

That above Dan.12:1 event of the Archangel Michael making a stand, is what the war in Heaven of Revelation 12:7 is about. Then linked there with it is that "time of trouble", which is about the time of "great tribulation" for the very end which Lord Jesus warned us about in His Olivet discourse.

8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

The result of that war in Heaven is Satan's place will then no longer be found in heaven.

Only the primitive superstitious think that the heavenly dimension is in some small place up in the sky, and thus not realizing that the 'heavenly' dimension is everywhere, but exists behind an invisible veil we cannot see. The LORD and His angels can appear here on earth in person, but their natural realm of existence is in that heavenly dimension. Likewise it is so with Satan and his angels too. They do not have flesh bodies, even though they can appear here on earth in our dimension, just like Jesus did back in Old Testament times.

So with this "neither was their place found any more in heaven" idea, it is specific to Satan and his angels no longer being allowed to appear in that 'heavenly' dimension. And there is only one other... dimension of existence written of in God's Word, and it is our 'earthly' dimension. When Satan is kicked out of the heavenly, that... is when he will appear in OUR earthly dimension, and we will literally see him! That ain't ever happened yet, but it will.

And that is how this verse is meant. Satan's abode of hell, the bottomless pit, the abyss, is NOT inside the earth like the primitive superstitious believe; Satan's abode of hell is in... the heavenly dimension, in a place of separation away from God. Lord Jesus revealed it in Luke 16 with His story about Lazarus and the rich man! The rich man died and he was taken to hell which was across a great gulf fixed in Paradise on the opposite side of where Abraham is.


9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Lord Jesus is trying to wake His servants up with that "which deceiveth the whole world" phrase, because it points to a 'specific'... time at the end, when Satan will deceive the whole word, excepting Christ's elect (see Revelation 13:4-8). That event is specifically meant for the end of this world, for the time of "great tribulation".

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Just because of that, "and the power of His Christ" phrase, no one can put the timing of these events back in history. The previous verses already revealed enough prophecy that these events are for the very end.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

In both Matthew 24 and Mark 13, Jesus warned that some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Him against the beast. That event is tied to the 5th Seal of Rev.6 which is about the dead saints under God's Altar asking Him "how long?" before He avenges their blood spilled on the earth. And God tells them to wait for a little season, until their brethren and fellowservants are killed as they were. That 'little season' represents the time of "great tribulation" at the end of this world. This is thus linked to the events of God's two witnesses giving a Testimony in Jerusalem at the end also.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Lord Jesus said He shortened the "great tribulation" time for the sake of His elect. That's what that "short time" represents, the trib at the end of this world, so there's even yet another marker about the end of this world!

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

That of course means God's people. Bot the literal seed and spiritual seed in Christ.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The is the specific 1260 days period mentioned in Revelation 11 that God's two witnesses will prophesy against the beast at the very end of this world within the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe timing. Jesus returns on the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe, so what time does that reveal to you?? The very end of this world, of course. So there's yet another pointer in this about the 'end'.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

Per the time of symbolic 'stinging' given in Rev.9, being "five months", that symbolically represents the time that Noah's ark was upon the height of the flood waters (5 months equals 150 days per the old Hebrew reckoning). The above verses Christ is using the event of Noah's flood to represent Satan's deception of LIES out of his mouth for the very end during the tribulation, when he gets here in OUR earthly dimension!

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
KJV

That part in red above specifically spells out CHRISTIAN believers on Jesus Christ with that Testimony, and that "war" the dragon (Satan) makes upon them is SPECIFICALLY AN EVENT PROPHESIED FOR THE VERY END of this world.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Bible.

False, Satan was cast to the earth long ago

Job and Jesus were tempted by Satan on this earth, Satan isn't omnipresent, nor does he have a plane ticket to go back and forth between heaven and earth

 

[Davy]

False, Satan was cast to the earth long ago

Job and Jesus were tempted by Satan on this earth, Satan isn't omnipresent, nor does he have a plane ticket to go back and forth between heaven and earth

That idea of course is from men's 'fleshy' mind thinking, because even back in the days of Job, Satan said he had been walking up and down in the earth when God asked him what he'd been up to.

Satan is STILL... in the heavenly dimension, behind a veil hidden from us.

That's what that other dimension is about, a separate existence per God's Word. Having you ever read Lord Jesus' story of Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16? Two sides in Paradise are shown with a great fixed gulf separating them, and the abode of the wicked called hell is on one side, where the rich man was taken to. Abraham was on the other side of that gulf.

For Satan to have been cast out of heaven, that means LITERALLY CAST TO OUR EARTHLY DIMENSION. And it's strange, because the world should have spotted him by now here on earth in OUR dimension, hitch-hiking or something!

So duh, the lesson from God's Word yet again:
1. heavenly dimension = where God and all angels live, including Satan and his.
2. earthly dimension = where those in the flesh live, here on this earth.


The below Lord Jesus said just prior to His being delivered up to be crucified. Did the "judgment of this world" happen then at the cross? No, that judgment of the world happens at His future return on the "day of the Lord". That casting out of Satan did not happen then at the cross either, even though at Christ's death and resurrection He defeated the devil and death.

John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV

Jesus' 1st coming to die on the cross was ordained from the foundation of the world. It was in order to defeat the devil and death for us (Hebrews 2). And by that He also sealed Satan being judged to perish in the future "lake of fire" at the end of Rev.20.


John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

Again what Jesus is pointing to is the end of this world with the time of "great tribulation". THAT... is when Satan and his angels are going to be kicked out of the heavenly dimension down to our earthly dimension and Satan will disguise himself as the false-Messiah that Lord Jesus warned us about! (see Matthew 24:23-26; Revelation 13:11 forward).

So this is very easy to understand. If we don't yet see that coming false-Messiah (Antichrist) here yet, in Jerusalem working great signs, wonders, and miracles in the sight of men, then Satan is not cast out of the heavenly dimension yet.

 

[Truth7t7]

Satan is STILL... in the heavenly dimension, behind a veil hidden from us.

Your claim is "False"

Satan is upon this earth seeking to devour

1 Peter 5
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

[6 Stories]

You quoted all the verses, and then made a claim in direct contradiction to those verses.

The third woe, Satan's 42 months is not until after the 7th Trumpet sounds. The 7th Trumpet sounds for a set of seven days.

3.5 days after the 7th Trumpet starts to sound is when earth is handed over to Satan. That is the only time God gives Satan authority over the earth.

Any other time is when humans allow Satan control, not God.

Armageddon is not a woe. Armageddon is when Jesus kills the rest of humanity. The last harvest to be removed from the earth.

The church is removed in the Seals. The goats and sheep are removed in the Trumpets. The wheat and tares are removed in the Thunders. Satan rules over the remaining humans for 42 months. Armageddon is the last removal of Adam's dead corruptible flesh. No soul is left on earth at that point with sin and Adam's punishment of death, being mortal.

Those who live in the Millennium are no longer bound to Adam's dead corruptible flesh. There is no sin. There is everlasting righteousness. That is the time declared over. When the 7th Trumpet stops is when Daniel's 70th week is finished.

All of earth is given in holiness under the authority of Christ. Sin no longer reigns. The point is if Satan is granted 42 months, it is because the harvest into eternal life is not over. That is the difference between those beheaded, and those with the mark. Just like the sheep and goats, or wheat and tares, in those last 42 months, there will be those with the mark, and those without their heads attached to their bodies.

Where did you learn that the 7th trumpet sounds for 7 days?

Isn't Satan ruling 3.5 days after the 7th trumpet starts to sound in direct contradiction to Rev 11:15? "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Why does Jesus rule in the Millennium with a rod of iron if there is no sin? Rev 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

Do you believe Jesus will come with the clouds and every eye will see him come on 4 separate occasions to resurrect/rapture his people?

Don't the 7 thunders take place during the time of the 6th trumpet?

I am still not clear on when the reign of Satan stops. I know 3.5 years after 3.5 days after the 7th trumpet, but when is this time in relation to the millennium?

 

[6 Stories]

Sorry, I don't hold to men's seminary doctrines of Historicsm or Preterism or Futurism, that all go against various Bible Scriptures.

And your 2,600 years of historical confirmation is certainly FUNNY! 2,600 years would take us back even BEFORE Christ's 1st coming, and His giving His Olivet discourse!!!



Proof that the Signs Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse are for the very END of this world is easy.

Matt 24:33-34
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV

The final SIGN Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 was that of the day of His future return and gathering of His Church.

That means the event of His coming MUST... be included in that generation seeing "all these things", i.e., all these Signs.

It also means that generation will not pass until "all these things be fulfilled", again meaning ALL THOSE SIGNS, including the final one about His coming and gathering of His Church, must be seen, and fulfilled, in that final generation.

And that is so... simple to understand by KEEPING to the actual written Scripture.

2600 years of historical confirmation goes back to about 600 BC, when King Nebuchadnezzar, the conqueror, through war, and with famine, and pestilence resulting from war (the 4 horsemen), ruled the whole earth. He had authority to put to death 100% of the population. Absolute authority lasted until around 32AD when Jesus sent the Holy Spirit and people died for faith in Jesus (the 5th seal). Conquerors from that time forward have been limited in their authority to put people to death. The limit since 32AD has been 25% of the population. What don't you agree with about this historical account?

I agree that all of the signs must be included in the last generation. However, some of the signs (seals 1-5) have already been occurring for a long time.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

You will have to get around that the disciples loved not their lives unto death.

And that by the blood of Christ they come boldly before the throne of God.

And that by His blood they enter in to the most Holiest of Holy beyond the second veil. How does satan enter in to where Christ first entered in, where if any entered in (if not by the blood of Christ) they would die? How does satan go before God into the holiest of Holy by the blood of Christ, does Satan possess the “having boldness to come before the throne of God”?

For satan was put without, having not by the blood of Christ entrance to God, cast out by the blood of Christ. so how can satan enter in where by the blood of Christ you are given entrance to come before the throne of God; for Grace given unto them in their time of need?

Cast to earth …cast out, put out, of heaven…there are two things; minding earthy things and minding heavenly things…which do you think satan minds? Earthly things…so where has he been cast down unto?

Again they loved not their lives unto death; Christ said this over and over that he who loves his life will loose it, and he who looses his life will preserve it. Future? Never once is this spoken of as way off in the future, but he was instructing His disciples right then. That it would be so with them. Also you will have to get past “satan will be cast out” “put without” the body of Christ…having not old leaven which corrupts the whole body. Where is satan…without. Put outside. “Make a new body” “without the old leaven of deceit”. Turn them over to who? To where? Turn them over to a reprobate mind, removed by the body of Christ, by His blood …cast “the old leaven of deceits and maliciousness” without.
1 Timothy 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, (where) that they may learn not to blaspheme.
1 Corinthians 5:4-5 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, [5] To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Cast out from where? Again, does satan come boldly before the throne of God by the blood of Christ to accuse the brethren? Why still yet future when Jesus said Himself…. “I saw satan fall like a light(a light turning himself like unto an angel of light, like unto the apostles of God), a false angel, a false light…I saw satan a star fall to the earth.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
he was cast out into the earth (be careful for like a Lion he walks the earth seeking who he may devour); put without, turned over, and his angels also transforming themselves as being angels of light, masquerading as a light of Christ …were turned over with satan to a reprobate mind. To me it says they won’t come to the Light for fear of being judged or exposed…why would satan come before God for his deeds to be made known? Is he this bold to come before the throne of God, before the true Light of God to accuse the brethren? Maybe. But wouldn’t he be made seen by the True Light… as a liar and a thief and as a false accuser along with his angels? Does satan prefer to remain in darkness or go before the Light of God? Does satan prefer to remain in the earthly or go before the Heavenly? Where does satan hide himself?

 

[Timtofly]

Where did you learn that the 7th trumpet sounds for 7 days?

Isn't Satan ruling 3.5 days after the 7th trumpet starts to sound in direct contradiction to Rev 11:15? "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Why does Jesus rule in the Millennium with a rod of iron if there is no sin? Rev 19:15 "And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God."

Do you believe Jesus will come with the clouds and every eye will see him come on 4 separate occasions to resurrect/rapture his people?

Don't the 7 thunders take place during the time of the 6th trumpet?

I am still not clear on when the reign of Satan stops. I know 3.5 years after 3.5 days after the 7th trumpet, but when is this time in relation to the millennium?

Daniel 9:27

A set of 7 can be years or days. In Daniel 9:27 it is a set of 7 days.

The Millennium starts the day after the battle of Armageddon.

 

[doctrox]

Something I recently received (not saying I believe or disbelieve this):

Satan was cast out into the earth (and his angels with him) i.e. he/them is under, enclosed, and confined by the firmament. He and his boys hate it here, as they are out of their element and can no longer move freely between inside and outside the firmament. He and his boys, in cooperation with earthly agencies, are very busy attempting to open portals in the firmament to let in more of the wicked heavenly hosts. They're also busy doing their own satanic "seal-a-meal" within the space under the dome.

 

[robert derrick]

The only heaven that the prince and power of the air is in, is this heaven and earth, not in the eternal kingdom of heaven.

He's hasn't been allowed into the heavenly throne room and congregation of angels, ever since he had the Son killed, and the Son rose again from the dead and ascended into heaven.

His angels are already locked up in hell, and Satan will join them there for a thousand years at the Lord's return, and then he will be loosed on earth as roaring lion again long enough to round up Gog and Magog, and then he will be cast into the LOF, where the beast and prophet are waiting for him.

Simple.