After the Devil is Cast Out

[6 Stories]

Israel is overwhelmingly secular, and thus already serving Satan.

Satan has no need to, and does not, persecute those who are already serving him.

The United Nations sure seems to pay them a lot of attention. War for independence, 1967, 1973. Are these of Satanic origin? Antisemitism? Hitler? Satan has been against the Jews (God's covenant people) forever. This will only increase now that Satan has been cast from heaven.

 

[jcentricity]

The United Nations sure seems to pay them a lot of attention. War for independence, 1967, 1973. Are these of Satanic origin? Antisemitism? Hitler? Satan has been against the Jews (God's covenant people) forever. This will only increase now that Satan has been cast from heaven.

Real war is between Nation States (NATO countries that have adopted Roman Republic style of government) vs Civilization States (Russia, China, Eurasia, Middle East) whoever wins this war will control United Nations aka One World Government and rule the world

 

[6 Stories]

Not cast out yet per the Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture...

We MUST stick to the Biblical context in Rev.12:7-17 about his casting out of the Heavenly dimension down to earth in our dimension...

Rev 12:7-15
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Many of my Christian brethren have difficulty with understanding the two different dimensions of existence, this earthly one we live in, and the Heavenly one where God and the angels live, including Satan and his angels, with all in the Heavenly behind a type of invisible veil we cannot see.

That is the idea of this event with Satan being cast out of the Heavenly dimension after that future war in Heaven. When that happens, there's only one other place Satan and his angels can go, and that is to OUR earthly dimension. So he is coming, like Lord Jesus said, and we will see him right here on earth.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

That "dragon" is simply another one of Satan's many titles. When he and his angels are cast out of Heaven, it means they have to come here, to our dimension, and they won't be invisible, because only in the Heavenly dimension can one be behind the invisible veil.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

The reason why that is said, in Heaven then, is because Satan and his angels will no longer be allowed to appear there. Until this casting out event in our near future, Satan will be able to accuse us before God's Throne in Heaven. As of right now, Satan is still going before God's Throne.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

That above verse solidly places the timing of this casting out event. That event of those overcomers that love not their lives unto the death is about those of the 5th Seal of Revelation 6. That's about those of us that will be delivered up during the coming "great tribulation". That puts this casting out event at the 'end', for the "great tribulation" timing.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

In several places in New Testament Scripture, the idea of the "great tribulation" time is given in the symbolic sense of "one hour". Even the ten kings that rule with the beast (king) it is said will give their power to the beast for "one hour". That "short time" is thus a symbolic reference to the time of "great tribulation" for the very end of this world. Thus by that, it automatically associates Satan being cast out of Heaven with the coming tribulation, and his playing the role of the Antichrist for the end.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

That "a time, and times, and half a time" is given in the Book of Daniel about the latter half of the symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27. It is equal to 1260 days, or 42 months. Per Rev.11 and Rev.13, the Gentiles are to tread the holy city for 42 months, and the dragon is reign over all nations and peoples for 42 months. That is about the coming "great tribulation" time at the very end.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
KJV

Per Revelation 9, what the locusts cast out of their 'mouths' is where their power is we are told. What comes out of one's mouth? Words! So this water as a flood out of the serpent's mouth (Satan), is about Satan coming to play false-Messiah with deceiving the whole world into believing he is God. Christ's faithful elect will NOT believe it though, and many of our own brethren will persecute us because they will wrongly believe on that false one thinking he is Jesus Christ having come.

I agree with most of what you said except for the timing of when heaven is cast out. Seals 1-5 have been occurring repeatedly. Ez 14:21 shows God's 4 judgments, the first 4 seals. In Daniel, these judgments were from world powers, people like King Nebuchadnezzar who had the authority to kill whomever he wished (Dan 5:19). 4 world powers covering 600 years brought death from these judgments with 100% authority, not 25% like Rev 6:8. For the next 2000 years, these judgments as seen in the Revelation, the lack of a new world power, is the result of seal 5, Christians who are willing to praise God while being executed or who have died fighting against a would-be world power like Hitler have been the restraint that has limited death.

 

[jcentricity]

I agree with most of what you said except for the timing of when heaven is cast out. Seals 1-5 have been occurring repeatedly. Ez 14:21 shows God's 4 judgments, the first 4 seals. In Daniel, these judgments were from world powers, people like King Nebuchadnezzar who had the authority to kill whomever he wished (Dan 5:19). 4 world powers covering 600 years brought death from these judgments with 100% authority, not 25% like Rev 6:8. For the next 2000 years, these judgments as seen in the Revelation, the lack of a new world power, is the result of seal 5, Christians who are willing to praise God while being executed or who have died fighting against a would-be world power like Hitler have been the restraint that has limited death.

Red dragon = Pagan Roman Empire
Satan was cast out of Roman Empire when it became a Christian Empire under Constantine
Ten horned beast = Paganism was revived under Kingdom of the Papacy aka Antichristendom or broader Apostate churches
False Prophet aka Babylon is a phase of paganism that now includes Apostate churches
That's why we are seeing a portion of churches become Apostate like Church of England and United Methodist

 

[covenantee]

The United Nations sure seems to pay them a lot of attention. War for independence, 1967, 1973. Are these of Satanic origin? Antisemitism? Hitler? Satan has been against the Jews (God's covenant people) forever. This will only increase now that Satan has been cast from heaven.

Satan has been against God's Chosen People of faith and obedience forever, irrespective of their genetics.

That will continue until His return.

 

[Davy]

I agree with most of what you said except for the timing of when heaven is cast out. Seals 1-5 have been occurring repeatedly. Ez 14:21 shows God's 4 judgments, the first 4 seals. In Daniel, these judgments were from world powers, people like King Nebuchadnezzar who had the authority to kill whomever he wished (Dan 5:19). 4 world powers covering 600 years brought death from these judgments with 100% authority, not 25% like Rev 6:8. For the next 2000 years, these judgments as seen in the Revelation, the lack of a new world power, is the result of seal 5, Christians who are willing to praise God while being executed or who have died fighting against a would-be world power like Hitler have been the restraint that has limited death.

The Seals of Revelation 6 are only for the very 'end' of this world, not in some reoccurring cycle like you're saying.

The way we know this is because Jesus was giving the Seal events that follow His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13. And He gave the Olivet discourse signs for the 'end' when His disciples with Him upon the Mount of Olives asked Him what the sign of His coming was, and the end of the world would be.

And right now, it appears we are in the Sign Jesus said as the "beginning of sorrows". The final symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27 and working of the "vile person" in Jerusalem is just around the corner.

 

[Davy]

Red dragon = Pagan Roman Empire
Satan was cast out of Roman Empire when it became a Christian Empire under Constantine
Ten horned beast = Paganism was revived under Kingdom of the Papacy aka Antichristendom or broader Apostate churches
False Prophet aka Babylon is a phase of paganism that now includes Apostate churches
That's why we are seeing a portion of churches become Apostate like Church of England and United Methodist

That's still not aligned with the Revelation 12:7-17 Scripture timing. And Satan can still influence Rome even today.

I have heard just about every kind of excuse one can think of to NOT believe the Rev.12:7-17 casting out being for the very 'end' of this world.

Some try to use John 12:31 to suggest Satan being cast out then, and Christ's Kingdom coming here on earth then at the cross. Didn't happen, as Peter says Satan still roams like a lion seeking whom he may devour. What John 12:31 is pointing to is the future Rev.12:7-9 event, and then the judgment on him and the world when Jesus returns.

And those who try to say Rev.12:7-9 happened back in history don't like to talk about the rest of the Rev.12:10-17 verses that go with it, which of course reveals the time after Christ's crucifixion, and the saints persecuted on the 5th Seal, and the saints at the end that have the Testimony of Jesus Christ, and of course the 1260 days pointer it gives.

 

[6 Stories]

Red dragon = Pagan Roman Empire
Satan was cast out of Roman Empire when it became a Christian Empire under Constantine
Ten horned beast = Paganism was revived under Kingdom of the Papacy aka Antichristendom or broader Apostate churches
False Prophet aka Babylon is a phase of paganism that now includes Apostate churches
That's why we are seeing a portion of churches become Apostate like Church of England and United Methodist

In both Daniel and Revelation, there is a final world empire that must rise. Dan 7:2 shows that the 4 winds must be blowing to stir up an empire. Rev 7:1 says that this final world empire cannot be blown in until 144,000 Jews become Christians.

Red dragon = Satan - Rev 12:9
Ten horns = ten kings from the Roman Empire forming a new Roman Empire - Dan 7:24
Babylon = The capital city of the empire. In history, Babylon, Susa, Babylon, Rome - Rev 17:18

The Bible provides the meaning of these symbols. Why would you change their meaning?

 

[ButterflyJones]

What denomination teaches Lucifer is still in Heaven?

 

[6 Stories]

The Seals of Revelation 6 are only for the very 'end' of this world, not in some reoccurring cycle like you're saying.

The way we know this is because Jesus was giving the Seal events that follow His Olivet discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13. And He gave the Olivet discourse signs for the 'end' when His disciples with Him upon the Mount of Olives asked Him what the sign of His coming was, and the end of the world would be.

And right now, it appears we are in the Sign Jesus said as the "beginning of sorrows". The final symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27 and working of the "vile person" in Jerusalem is just around the corner.

Judgments of Ez 14:21 - 1. wild beasts 2. sword 3. famine 4. pestilence
In Daniel 7, 4 beasts arise. Lion, bear, leopard, another beast
These 4 (wild) beasts had authority over the whole world to kill in the manner prescribed by Ezekiel, with sword, famine, and pestilence.
In Rev 6:2, the wild beasts are called conquerors seal 1, who have authority (Rev 6:8) over 1/4 of the earth to kill in the manner prescribed by Ezekiel, with sword - seal 2, famine - seal 3, and pestilence - seal 4.
These facts have 2,600 years of historical confirmation.

The new Roman Empire with authority over the whole world can't be blown in by the 4 winds until after 144,000 Jews become Christians. Rev 7:2 Dan 7:2-3 shows that the wild beasts are blown in by the 4 winds. This new Roman Empire will be the start of the final symbolic "one week" of Dan 9:27.

Rev 7:3 infers that the 4 judgments of Ezekiel stem from 4 angelic powers which can't harm the whole world until the 144,000 are sealed.
Rev 9:13-15 shows that these four angels are bound, kept from killing 1/3 of the earth until the 6th trumpet is blown. We can then deduce that the new Roman Empire won't be form through conquest. Only when the Roman Empire is taken over by the antichrist with the army of the 6th trumpet for the final 42 months (Rev 13:5) will the 4 Ez judgments increase from the current 25% maximum.

To me, your interpretation does not mesh with history or with the timing of other events in the Revelation.

 

[strepho]

Good job Davy, good documentation. You don't mind fellow elect waters a little after you planted. Well done Davy. Revelation chapter 7:1. And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 7:2. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God; and he cried with loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea. 7:3. Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in thier forehead. When God's elect, and the 144,000 are sealed, then the end comes. James chapter 1, All wisdom and knowledge comes from God. Those who lack knowledge will worship antichrist near future. I'm not knocking churches down. Some priests and pastors have failed in their capacity to nourish their flocks and warn them antichrist arrives 6th trump. What prayer of chance does biblically illiterate Christians have against satan as antichrist near future. ZERO. You need the gospel armour of ephesians chapter 6. Students of the bible should have a king James companion bible and STRONGS concordance. The right tools to understand the bible.

 

[6 Stories]

What denomination teaches Lucifer is still in Heaven?

I don't know of any that teach the whereabouts of Satan. Revelation 12 has some information.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

To me, this passage coincides with the first 4 trumpets which also warn of the woe to come.
Compare 12:7 with 8:7 War in heaven coincides with war on earth.
Compare 12:8 with 8:8 Losers of the war lose their place in the world. Mountains are symbolic of conquerors.
Compare 12:9 with 8:10-12 Satan is the great star fallen from heaven. Wormwood is translated Chernobyl. 1/3 of the stars darkened symbolizes 1/3 of the angels being cast from heaven (Satan's angels - see Rev 12:4) Picture the Chernobyl radioactive cloud.
Compare 12:12 Woe to the inhabitants of the earth... with 8:13 woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth...

The Chernobyl disaster took place in 1982. That is when I believe Satan was cast from heaven.

 

[6 Stories]

Good job Davy, good documentation. You don't mind fellow elect waters a little after you planted. Well done Davy. Revelation chapter 7:1. And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 7:2. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God; and he cried with loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea. 7:3. Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in thier forehead. When God's elect, and the 144,000 are sealed, then the end comes. James chapter 1, All wisdom and knowledge comes from God. Those who lack knowledge will worship antichrist near future. I'm not knocking churches down. Some priests and pastors have failed in their capacity to nourish their flocks and warn them antichrist arrives 6th trump. What prayer of chance does biblically illiterate Christians have against satan as antichrist near future. ZERO. You need the gospel armour of ephesians chapter 6. Students of the bible should have a king James companion bible and STRONGS concordance. The right tools to understand the bible.

Thanks for posting the quotations!

 

[ButterflyJones]

I don't know of any that teach the whereabouts of Satan. Revelation 12 has some information.

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

To me, this passage coincides with the first 4 trumpets which also warn of the woe to come.
Compare 12:7 with 8:7 War in heaven coincides with war on earth.
Compare 12:8 with 8:8 Losers of the war lose their place in the world. Mountains are symbolic of conquerors.
Compare 12:9 with 8:10-12 Satan is the great star fallen from heaven. Wormwood is translated Chernobyl. 1/3 of the stars darkened symbolizes 1/3 of the angels being cast from heaven (Satan's angels - see Rev 12:4) Picture the Chernobyl radioactive cloud.
Compare 12:12 Woe to the inhabitants of the earth... with 8:13 woe, woe, woe to the inhabitants of the earth...

The Chernobyl disaster took place in 1982. That is when I believe Satan was cast from heaven.

Satan in the NT is the lord of this world.

He was already cast out. Though he does return from time to time to confer with God as to how to be the adversary of humans.

 

[Timtofly]

Satan in the NT is the lord of this world.

He was already cast out. Though he does return from time to time to confer with God as to how to be the adversary of humans.

Satan has been going back and forth between earth and heaven since Adam met Eve.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Satan has been going back and forth between earth and heaven since Adam met Eve.

Yes. He was able to enter Eden because he was cast down to earth.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes. He was able to enter Eden because he was cast down to earth.

Satan left heaven as a rebellion. He was not cast out. The point is; God still lets Satan come and go. Being cast out will not happen until the 7th Trumpet sounds. That will be when Satan is cast out and no longer allowed access to heaven.

Satan falling like lightning in the first century was not being cast out. Lightening is not cast out from heaven. Lightning is the result of a cold front in confrontation to a warm front. It was figurative that God was on earth stirring up Satan's establishment on earth. There was a direct and specific confrontation between God and Satan on earth and it resulted in a lightning effect.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Satan left heaven as a rebellion. He was not cast out. The point is; God still lets Satan come and go. Being cast out will not happen until the 7th Trumpet sounds. That will be when Satan is cast out and no longer allowed access to heaven.

Satan falling like lightning in the first century was not being cast out. Lightening is not cast out from heaven. Lightning is the result of a cold front in confrontation to a warm front. It was figurative that God was on earth stirring up Satan's establishment on earth. There was a direct and specific confrontation between God and Satan on earth and it resulted in a lightning effect.

That means Satan is working for God.
Satan's rebellion was the sin of leading a war against God in Heaven.
Satan and his angels lost the war and we're cast out.

Rebellion makes it sound like Satan is pouting and moved out of dads house of his own accord.

 

[Timtofly]

That means Satan is working for God.
Satan's rebellion was the sin of leading a war against God in Heaven.
Satan and his angels lost the war and we're cast out.

Rebellion makes it sound like Satan is pouting and moved out of dads house of his own accord.

Satan was created by God just like your lost neighbor was created by God. Both are in rebellion.

The difference is Satan is an angel and can come and go between heaven and earth.

Is your next door neighbor pouting and moved out of dad's house of his own accord?

Satan does not need a house or place to sleep. He is an angel that is free to accuse the brethren night and day before God.

The war in heaven between Satan and Michael has not happened yet. It happens at the 7th Trumpet. The angels quit and left heaven, that was their rebellion. But they have been chained up until the 5th Trumpet sounds. That is the first woe, that is God letting those angels out of the pit. By the 7th Trumpet the battle happens in heaven. Then they are cast out.

He is not a son of God, so God is not his father, and he is not a prodigal son. He walked out on God and quit being an obedient angel. Thus no longer working for God, but against God.

 

[6 Stories]

Satan was created by God just like your lost neighbor was created by God. Both are in rebellion.

The difference is Satan is an angel and can come and go between heaven and earth.

Is your next door neighbor pouting and moved out of dad's house of his own accord?

Satan does not need a house or place to sleep. He is an angel that is free to accuse the brethren night and day before God.

The war in heaven between Satan and Michael has not happened yet. It happens at the 7th Trumpet. The angels quit and left heaven, that was their rebellion. But they have been chained up until the 5th Trumpet sounds. That is the first woe, that is God letting those angels out of the pit. By the 7th Trumpet the battle happens in heaven. Then they are cast out.

He is not a son of God, so God is not his father, and he is not a prodigal son. He walked out on God and quit being an obedient angel. Thus no longer working for God, but against God.

How can you have a first woe if Satan has not been cast out? Don't the 3 woes come upon the inhabitants of the earth specifically because Satan has been cast from heaven to earth?
See post 232.