All Israel will be saved

[Heb 13:8]

Even the martyrs that were beheaded came to life, meaning they were once dead, not floating around in heaven as wind. Rev 20:4. The plot thickens.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Why would the Lord take us up into the clouds when the 70th week hasn't ended yet, just to bring us back down to Jerusalem right away. How are we suppose to preach the Gospel to the world while stuck in Jerusalem. Tribulation cut short, then immediately after tribulation we are taken into the clouds. Matt 24:22, Matt 24:29. That is why "the end" in Matt 24:14 is rapture, we preach to the world where the Lord places us.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Underline: Even Matthew and Daniel confirms "the end" is first resurrection and rapture. Those who sleep in the dust will awake. They will both be delivered..

Matt 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be delivered. (rapture)

Dan 12:1-2 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake (first resurrection): some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[keras]

Well, you put Matt 24:22 at the end of the 70th week, <-----gross error.

So, where do you place Matthew 24:22?
Avoiding my proofs of your errors, shows how sadly deceived and confused you are.

 

[n2thelight]

Underline: Even Matthew and Daniel confirms "the end" is first resurrection and rapture. Those who sleep in the dust will awake. They will both be delivered..

Matt 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be delivered. (rapture)

Dan 12:1-2 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake (first resurrection): some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

If the end is the rapture,how do you'll not go through the tribulation?

 

[Heb 13:8]

So, where do you place Matthew 24:22?
Avoiding my proofs of your errors, shows how sadly deceived and confused you are.

The great trib is cut short in the latter half of the 70th week, in the fall on the Feast of Trumpets.

If the end is the rapture,how do you'll not go through the tribulation?

We're raptured after great trib. Matt 24:29.

 

[keras]

We're raptured after great trib. Matt 24:29.

Jesus Returns after the Great Trib, of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.
He comes down from heaven and His angels gather His people from every part of the world, Matthew 24:31. He meets them in the clouds and maybe that is where the Marriage Supper takes place. Revelation 19:7-9
Then Jesus destroys the armies surrounding Jerusalem and chains up Satan. Revelation 19:17-21

Its impossible for anyone to go to heaven then, as Jesus has left there and come to earth for His Millennium reign.
Quoting Matthew 24:29 as a rapture proof, that just tells of cosmic events which will happen at Jesus' Return, shows the total lack of support anywhere in scripture for that false theory.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Jesus Returns after the Great Trib, of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.
He comes down from heaven and His angels gather His people from every part of the world, Matthew 24:31. He meets them in the clouds and maybe that is where the Marriage Supper takes place. Revelation 19:7-9
Then Jesus destroys the armies surrounding Jerusalem and chains up Satan. Revelation 19:17-21

Its impossible for anyone to go to heaven then, as Jesus has left there and come to earth for His Millennium reign.
Quoting Matthew 24:29 as a rapture proof, that just tells of cosmic events which will happen at Jesus' Return, shows the total lack of support anywhere in scripture for that false theory.

Underline: "After the great trib" which is cut short, before the 70th week ends, not the end.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Quoting Matthew 24:29 as a rapture proof, that just tells of cosmic events which will happen at Jesus' Return, shows the total lack of support anywhere in scripture for that false theory.

and you still have yet to prove soul sleep is false. wouldn't you rather have the truth. Rev 19:1.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Underline: Salvation is only in Jesus Christ. You must be born again to see Heaven.

Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved."

Rev 7:10 And they cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.”

Rev 19:1 After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting: “Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,

 

[n2thelight]

Underline: "After the great trib" which is cut short, before the 70th week ends, not the end.

After the trib is the end and then Christ comes here,we don't go there.

Which is the 2nd coming,ie,post trib

 

[Heb 13:8]

After the trib is the end and then Christ comes here,we don't go there.

Which is the 2nd coming,ie,post trib

The rapture is inside the second coming. The second coming consists of multiple events. The term "second coming" isn't found anywhere in the Bible, so we shouldn't use it.

1 Thess 4:15 According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming (parousia) of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

2 Thess 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming (parousia).

 

[keras]

The rapture is inside the second coming. The second coming consists of multiple events. The term "second coming" isn't found anywhere in the Bible, so we shouldn't use it.

What nonsense! Jesus said He would come again, John 21:22 and in Acts 1:11 the angels said Jesus would come again in the same way as you have seen Him go. That IS a Second Coming.

There is no 'rapture to heaven' for living people anywhere in the Bible. Believing such a false teaching makes you commit further errors and just adds to the confusion.

 

[Heb 13:8]

What nonsense! Jesus said He would come again, John 21:22 and in Acts 1:11 the angels said Jesus would come again in the same way as you have seen Him go. That IS a Second Coming.

There is no 'rapture to heaven' for living people anywhere in the Bible. Believing such a false teaching makes you commit further errors and just adds to the confusion.

It's not nonsense to use correct Greek translations instead of made up terms. And still you haven't proven soul sleep is false, and you never will because it's not there. The great multitude is the church Rev 19:1.

 

[n2thelight]

The rapture is inside the second coming. The second coming consists of multiple events. The term "second coming" isn't found anywhere in the Bible, so we shouldn't use it.

1 Thess 4:15 According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming (parousia) of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.

2 Thess 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming (parousia).

Let me ask you a question

Where is the rapture in the old testament?


There are only two advents of Christ in all of scripture,His first and second..

Rapture inside the 2nd coming,come on now.....

 

[keras]

Sorry, Heb 13, your posts are just too weird and confused. You argue with me about soul sleep - that was intothe light, who brought that [correct] doctrine up.

Unless you can prove in Rev 19:1, that those who sound like a vast throng in heaven....are actually the Church, then your belief they are the Church, is a lie.

Back to proving that Christians are the Israel of God:

[SIZE=medium]Who is the nation of Israel to whom God makes a promise in Jeremiah 31? Jesus gives us a very clear indication in: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Matthew 21:43[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Therefore I say unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]We do not have to look too far to discover which nation that is: it is the church, the church of Jesus Christ, made up of believing Jews and Gentiles, who are the seed of Abraham, the children of God, the Israelites of the New Testament. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]I Peter 2:9-10[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]writes to the church in these words:[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people ... which in times past were not a people, but are now the people of God. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Holy nation[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] is the name given to Israel in [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Exodus 19:5-6[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. Peter now applies it to the church! The church is the holy nation, and since the church will never be destroyed, it is in her and not in the modern Jewish State of Israel, that the new Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-34 is fulfilled. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Titus 2:14[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] is also instructive: to the churches in Crete Paul attributes the title "peculiar people," a name taken from [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Exodus 19:5[/SIZE][SIZE=medium].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]One more thing must be noticed in Jeremiah 31:31-34 The promise of the new Covenant is made to [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the house of Judah and the house of Israel.[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] In this covenant with the house of Israel God will: [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]put His law in their inward parts and write it in their hearts and will be their God and they shall be His people ...[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Moreover, God promises to the same house of Israel: [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]How is this new covenant promise fulfilled, and to whom? The answer is found in [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Hebrews 8:6-13[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. This Covenant cannot be with the House of Israel as a distinct entity from the church of Jesus Christ. The church of Christ, which enjoys the knowledge of God and forgiveness of sins, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]is [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the house of Israel. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Are there, then, no promises to the political entity of the State of Israel? The answer is an unequivocal no. Will Israel as a political entity ever rebuild her temple and worship God as she did in the Old Testament? That is impossible under todays conditions, but even if they did build a temple in Jerusalem and institute a priesthood, offer sacrifices and celebrate the feasts, it will be just another sign of Jewish apostasy from God. If the sacrifices of the wicked were abominable to God in the Old Testament, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Proverbs 15:8[/SIZE][SIZE=medium],[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]21:27[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], how much more abominable would the recommencing of animal sacrifices be in the future [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]after the one, only sacrifice of the Son of God[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]All the promises of God are in Christ. 2[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] Cor. 1:20[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] All the promises of God were made to Christ, as the Seed of Abraham. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Galatians 3:16[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Therefore, there can be no promise of any kind for any unbeliever outside of Jesus Christ. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The calling of the Jew, as the calling of the Gentile, is to repent and believe in Jesus Christ and join the church of Jew and Gentile, male and female, bond and free, where there is no difference,[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] and as many as walk according to this rule, peace be upon them and mercy!" [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]For they are the [/SIZE][SIZE=medium][Christian][/SIZE][SIZE=medium] Israel of God![/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Galatians 3:26-29[/SIZE]

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

So, where do you place Matthew 24:22?
Avoiding my proofs of your errors, shows how sadly deceived and confused you are.

Your proofs of other's errors?
How sadly deceived and confused you are.

Jesus Returns after the Great Trib, of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.

How sadly deceived and confused you are.

Jesus said:
Mt 2421 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

That is a specific and unique time.
And those days will be cut short.
The word Matthew uses to convey what Jesus said is: κολοβόω - a derivative of the base of G2849; to dock, i.e. (figuratively) abridge:—shorten.

In Revelation 13:14-15 we see the midpoint abomination of Mt 24:15 as the talking image.
The reason for the Great Tribulation affecting the Elect - and only the Elect - are the two laws which go into effect:
Worship or die; take the mark of the beast or don't buy or sell.

THEN the Harvest comes in chapter 14.
BEFORE the Bowl Judgments which are last - and finish the one 'seven' as Gabriel told Daniel that the end would be poured out on the desolator.

The Great Tribulation does not include God's Wrath.
The time of God's Wrath is not cut short.
The time when the Elect are persecuted and martyred is cut short so that some of the Elect survive it.

So Heb 13:8 is correct.
And your proof is nothing but delusional error.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Where is the rapture in the old testament?

Why would rapture be in the OT. The OT surrounds Israel and the law. The NT surrounds the body of Christ and the blessed hope.

Sorry, Heb 13, your posts are just too weird and confused. You argue with me about soul sleep - that was intothe light, who brought that [correct] doctrine up.

Unless you can prove in Rev 19:1, that those who sound like a vast throng in heaven....are actually the Church, then your belief they are the Church, is a lie.

"Unless you can prove?" What do you think I've been doing all this time. How do you prove to a blind man that Jesus is God?

First you say the great multitude in Rev 7:9 is the church on earth, then you say the great multitude in Rev 19:1 are the martyrs in heaven existing without their bodies because the first resurrection hasn't happened yet. In which you STILL haven't proven soul sleep is false, and you never will.

Has it ever occurred to you that the great multitude in Rev 7 and Rev 19 are the same people? Is God the author of confusion? or is man?

So Heb 13:8 is correct.
And your proof is nothing but delusional error.

Once your eyes are open to pre-wrath there is no going back. God bless you Marcus.

 

[n2thelight]

Why would rapture be in the OT. The OT surrounds Israel and the law. The NT surrounds the body of Christ and the blessed hope.

Is not His 2nd coming there?


Now I know why you can't see.............

 

[Heb 13:8]

Is not His 2nd coming there?


Now I know why you can't see.............

Go ahead and use second coming if it makes you happy n2. Take care.