All Israel will be saved

[Heb 13:8]

Underline: God's will isn't for everyone to die a horrible death. Why do we have to die a horrible death in order to be a witness for the Gospel. The great multitude include those who died a horrible death, and those who had spread the Gospel peacefully and died from natural causes.

If you have the seed and the truth, then you can consider yourself a martyr for Christ. The world will hate you no matter how you leave this world..https://www.amazon.com/Consider-Ravens-Contemporary-Hermit-Life/dp/193623663X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1480283114&sr=1-1&keywords=consider+the+ravens

Acts 22:20 And when the blood of your martyr (witness) Stephen was shed, I stood there giving my approval and guarding the clothes of those who were killing him.'

Rom 12:16-21 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited. 17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

martus: a witness
Original Word: μάρτυς, υρος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: martus
Phonetic Spelling: (mar'-toos)
Short Definition: a witness
Definition: a witness; an eye- or ear-witness.

 

[keras]

[SIZE=medium]“Father Abraham had many sons, many sons had father Abraham. I am one of them and so are you…,” so the old children’s song goes. Although it’s a silly song that requires the raising of arms, legs, and the nodding of heads, the song’s theology is unquestionably biblical. In [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Romans 4:1–16[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], the Apostle Paul explains that: [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Abraham is[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]the father of us all.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]As new Covenant believers, we have been justified by grace through faith alone because of the finished work of Christ. As an old Covenant believer: Abraham, the father of Israel, was justified by God’s grace alone through faith because of his faith in the future work of Christ. Abraham stood on the promised salvation of God in the Messiah who was to come just as we stand on the promised salvation of God in the Messiah who has come. True believers in the Old Testament were saved in the same way that true believers are saved in the New Testament— by faith, and by faith alone. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Abraham believed the Lord, and He counted it to him as righteousness.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Genesis 15:6[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] The Lord declared Abraham righteous because he believed, just as the Lord declares Christians righteous because we believe. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Thus, adoption into God’s family and eternal Covenant community is achieved not through having the right ethnicity, gender, land of birth, or language. Or because of Sabbath-keeping, or unconditional support of the State of Israel’s practices and policies. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]True Israel is believing Christian Israel, and only faithful Israel inherits God’s promises[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. And faithful Israelites are those circumcised in their hearts, those who have trusted in the Messiah. This is the way God has always fulfilled His purposes in saving His people. [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Romans 2:28–29[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]True Israel is faithful Israel because they have faith in the only truly righteous Israelite who has ever lived—Jesus the Messiah. Only Jesus completely fulfilled all of the Father’s righteous laws for Israel. As the faithful Israelite, Jesus is the true Israel because He is the true Son of God. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Matthew 2:13–14[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]By faith in Jesus, the true Israelite, all people can be reckoned as true Israelites. All who are united by faith alone to Jesus the Christ are the true Israel of God. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Galatians 6:16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]As such, those of ethnic Israel who trust Jesus as their Messiah are closer to me than they are to their Jewish families who don’t believe in Jesus. Likewise, I am closer to Jewish believers in Christ than I am to my unbelieving Gentile family. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]For our Father has graciously made us His children having freed us from bondage in order to live as true Christian followers of Jesus, as the true Israel of God.[/SIZE]

 

[n2thelight]

Go ahead and use second coming if it makes you happy n2. Take care.

Call it what you will,but again,is His 2nd advent written of in the old testament.Point being if there was a rapture it would it not be in the old...

Show me something that's in the new,that's not in the old

What did Christ always say?

Have you not read,and what was He reading from?

 

[Dcopymope]

Call it what you will,but again,is His 2nd advent written of in the old testament.Point being if there was a rapture it would it not be in the old...

Show me something that's in the new,that's not in the old

What did Christ always say?

Have you not read,and what was He reading from?

Some would say that the story of Noah is kind of like a precursor to what occurs with the rapture in the new testament. The flood is the judgement, and Jesus is the ark by which the saints will be saved, hence why Jesus compared his second coming to what occurred in the days of Noah.

(Matthew 24:36-41) "¶ But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. {37} But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. {38} For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, {39} And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. {40} Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. {41} Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left."

 

[keras]

Some would say that the story of Noah is kind of like a precursor to what occurs with the rapture in the new testament. The flood is the judgement, and Jesus is the ark by which the saints will be saved, hence why Jesus compared his second coming to what occurred in the days of Noah.

The next prophesied event; the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, is God's judgment against a world once again 'as in the days of Noah'.
God promised the never again flood the world. Now, over 100 prophesies say this time God will use fire to reset civilization.
It will be the sudden disaster referred to in 1 Thess 5:3 and we Christians should not be in the dark about it.

 

[n2thelight]

Some would say that the story of Noah is kind of like a precursor to what occurs with the rapture in the new testament. The flood is the judgement, and Jesus is the ark by which the saints will be saved, hence why Jesus compared his second coming to what occurred in the days of Noah.

What else was happening in the days of Noah,we always mention the flood,but never the angels,point being satan and his angels return before Christ...

satan pretending to be Christ,is the tribulation

 

[n2thelight]

stars that fall from heaven,some people actually think a star will hit the earth...One of the smallest stars is our sun,which makes the earth look like a tennis ball..

Imagine that hitting the earth,if it did,and it won't there won't be an earth....

 

[keras]

stars that fall from heaven,some people actually think a star will hit the earth...One of the smallest stars is our sun,which makes the earth look like a tennis ball..

Imagine that hitting the earth,if it did,and it won't there won't be an earth....

The Greek word, 'asteres' is translated as 'stars', in Rev 6:12. It means either stars, asteroids or meteors.
As you say, the earth wouldn't survive a strike by a object too big, so 'asteres falling' at the Sixth Seal, means a meteor shower.

 

[n2thelight]

The Greek word, 'asteres' is translated as 'stars', in Rev 6:12. It means either stars, asteroids or meteors.
As you say, the earth wouldn't survive a strike by a object too big, so 'asteres falling' at the Sixth Seal, means a meteor shower.

I think the stars are the angels returning.

 

[keras]

I think the stars are the angels returning.

Not from the way Revelation 6:13 describes it. Read that prophecy again, carefully. It is talking about cosmic things and angels do not come down until they accompany Jesus at His Return.


[SIZE=medium]Looking at the subject of who God's Chosen People are, we see that, according to the Bible, true Israel now comprises all those who believe in Jesus as Messiah. It is wrong to say that the church has replaced Israel. Rather, the church is the continuity of the Old Testament Israel of God; Christians have been grafted into the ‘olive tree’ and the Jewish nation is broken off. [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]There is no more "Jew" and "Gentile" ethnic distinctions. Every person can now belong to the Israel of God, as a Christian. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]The Jews of 1948, excepting for a small number of individuals, have not turned to the Lord. And, to base the formation of Israel upon their alleged "faithfulness" to Judaism shows a lack of understanding of what Judaism is. Some think the Jew of today has a special advantage, perhaps even salvation without Christ, because they believe in the God of the Old Testament, and follow the Old Testament religion. This overlooks the fact that the religion of the Old Testament was based on making sacrifices for sins. Leviticus 17:11 [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]It also ignores the teaching of the New Testament: that there is absolutely [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]no[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] salvation outside Christ, John 14:6; Acts 4:10-12, and that the Old Covenant no longer applies. Hebrews 7-10 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The Lord of the New Covenant is Jesus. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]It is a common [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]assumption[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], and one that people are stuck on, even in the face of [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]evidence to the contrary[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], that [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the Jews of today constitute a race,[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] a homogeneous entity easily recognizable. When the origin and early history of the Jews is properly researched, it becomes obvious that over the centuries as a people and then as a nation they have assimilated a variety of racial strains from people moving into their circles and enjoying their prosperity. This has taken place by interbreeding and by conversion to Judaism and now constitute a large proportion of todays Jews. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]"Thus, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the diversity of the racial and genetic attributes of various Jewish colonies of today renders any unified racial classification of them a contradiction in terms[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. Despite this, many people readily accept the notion that they are a distinct race. This is probably reinforced by the fact that some Jews are recognizably different in appearance from the surrounding population. That most can't be easily identified is overlooked and the stereotype for some is mistakenly extended to all”. Encyclopaedia Judaica Jerusalem, 1971, vol. 3, p. 50 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Jews do [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]not[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] practice "Old Testament religion;" they are [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]not[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] almost Christians, lacking only acceptance of the Messiah and the New Testament. They do [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]not[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] worship the true God, not even the “God of the Old Testament” Jesus was quite adamant: If they had believed Moses, they would believe Him. John 5:46-47 They don't follow the Old Testament either. The religion of Judaism is a Talmudic faith, not Biblical. Those who support, as the majority of pre-trib rapture believers do, the secular nation of Israel at this time, simply because they are so-called Jews, do so as an immutable tenet of the rapture theory: Two People, Two Promises. This wrong and unbiblical premise, helps apostates and enemies of Christ, and actually encourages them in their unbelief.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Unsaved Jews could still be God's people, but they have clearly been cut off by God for their unbelief:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Romans 11:20….[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] because of unbelief they were broken off, and you Christians stand by faith. Do not become over confident, but keep firm in your faith,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The Bible teaches the Gentiles not to become arrogant: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Romans 11:22 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward you: goodness.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]You must continue in His goodness: otherwise you also shalt be cut off[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. And they also, if they cease their unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again. For if you [Christians] were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and was grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which were the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The great lesson of this passage is certainly that just as the Jews of the Old Testament became proud (assuming that they alone knew God), so also could the same thing happen to Gentiles in the New Testament era. There is a danger of either looking down on the Jews, or looking up to the Jews. Both are sinful, for God is no respecter of persons. Romans 2:11 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]If it had not been for the grace of God, Gentiles would never have been grafted into the life of God (salvation) which was offered to ethnic Israel. The new life which enables Gentiles to produce fruit, grows from the same root that the old stock of Israel grows. Thus, Gentiles should have a humble attitude, not toward the Jews, but toward God who saves men by His love, mercy and grace through faith in the precious name of Jesus Christ. Neither Jews nor Gentiles can claim exclusiveness to God. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Romans 10:12[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord is over all and blesses all that call upon him.[/SIZE]

 

[n2thelight]

Not from the way Revelation 6:13 describes it. Read that prophecy again, carefully. It is talking about cosmic things and angels do not come down until they accompany Jesus at His Return.

The fallen angels will come when satan comes,as when he(satan) gets kicked out of Heaven...

They are the 7000 that die the instant of Christ return,as they have already been judged

 

[keras]

[SIZE=medium]The children of ethnic Israel are not the children of God. Only the believers of the promised Seed are the children of God. The children of the flesh are those who have denied Jesus Christ, following the wrong paths, the children of the promise are the only ones who have the Holy Spirit anointing in their lives and their birthright in God. Romans 9:8[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Most Jews may have descent which comes from their lineage of the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. But when they turned from their true inheritance and embraced the Babylonian Talmud, they lost their birthright in God. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Jesus came to redeem the lost sheep of the house of Israel, the Northern 10 tribes. But we know from the whole message of the New Testament, that salvation is open to people of every race, nation and language, who believe in Him. John 3:16[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Luke 1:68 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for He hath visited and redeemed His people.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Jesus came to bring redemption to the sons of Judah, but instead they cried out, [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]"Crucify Him! Crucify Him!" [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]The Jews have suffered the consequence of this rejection ever since. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]When Jesus spoke of Israel, it was always in the positive. When He spoke of the Jews, it was always in the negative. The separation that happened in King Rehoboam’s time still remains to this day. The great spiritual and physical rejoining of Christian Israel and Messianic Jewry, prophesied in Ezekiel 37, awaits fulfilment. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]When Jesus walked the earth those who were His enemies were the religious Jews. There were three main sects of the Jewish religion: the Sadducees, the Pharisees and the Herodians:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The Sadducees were the keepers of the ancient laws. The name [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Sadducee[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] means [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]"[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]righteous."[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]They did not believe in the resurrection of the body, nor did they believe in retribution in a future life. The Jewish priests embraced the Sadducee's religion. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The name [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Pharisee [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]means [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]"[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]separatist."[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] The main tenets of this religion is that the soul will never perish and the wicked will be punished with eternal torment. In other words, they believe the lie the serpent spoke to Eve in the garden that [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]"Ye shall not surely die."[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] The scribes embraced the Pharisee's religion. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Herodians [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]were those who loved the Greek way of life and followed the dictates of Herod [/SIZE][SIZE=medium](secular government)[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. They did not adhere to the Jewish law. Their only loyalties were to Rome. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]These same three beliefs have infiltrated the church system today. The religious [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Sadducees[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] today, no matter what name they go by, still want to keep the old law. They keep the Sabbath, observe the ritualistic holidays and dietary laws. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The religious [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Pharisee[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]s are those who are separatists, teaching the eternal lost soul of the wicked, believing they are the only righteous ones, and have made doctrines and creeds to live by. If their people go to any other church, they are reprimanded. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]The religious [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Herodians[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] are those who think mankind can bring about a utopian society by their own efforts and shun all teaching of righteousness with their [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]"if it feels good do it" [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]attitude, but still maintain their belief in a God. Call ‘him’ Gaia or ‘her’ Mother Earth, they all follow ancient paths of Satanic deceit. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Matthew 23:13[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]-15 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]But woe unto you, scribes, Pharisees, all hypocrites! For ye shut up the Kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]This certainly describes the modern Jews who have closed up the Kingdom of God to their people. As Jesus stated they would not be enter in themselves, and they hinder all those who are entering into the Kingdom realm. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. [/SIZE]

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

For all that call on Him.
​But for the vast majority of the Jews, they don't call on Jesus.
​And He is the only way to the Father.

Yet all of Israel will be saved...
That is what the Millennium is for.

 

[keras]

Marcus, your eschatology is very confused. Do you mean that only the Jews will be in the Millennium?

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

I see you're very confused, and as no amount of time on my part to explain even Isaiah 30:26 as being impossible for the sun to explode on a day when God heals so that you aren't confused about it - has ever made the slightest of a dent in your position.

Likewise, all the explanations of my Pre-Wrath view has fallen on your deaf ears which means that when you say you are still confused about what my eschatology is - that you have no ability to learn something you don't think for yourself.

If I thought you had any ability to understand what I am saying, I'd take my time to tell you that even your question shows the great degree of your confusion about what I've already written about the purpose and scope of the Millennium.

I've written about Zechariah 8:23 which tells us who will be in the Millennium and your confusion tells me you have no real interest in learning what anyone else thinks about eschatology.

 

[keras]

I see Zechariah 8 as being before the Millennium, as when Jesus physically Returns, He will reign over the world. Zechariah 14:3-21 describes the Millennium.
Here is more proof of we Christians being the true Israel of God and how we are gathered to the holy Land and build the new Temple. Zechariah 8:1-9


[SIZE=medium]The Church is Israel[/SIZE]:
[SIZE=medium]For just as the Gentile Ruth, a genetic forbear of Israel's Messiah: Matthew 1:5-16, could say to the Israelite Naomi: [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] Ruth 1:16, so Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel. Romans 11:17,24, Ephesians 2:12-19, Galatians 3:29

That is: all genetic Jews in the church remain members of Judah or Benjamin, the tribes they were born into. Romans 11:1 And all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into Israel and so will be assigned into its tribes, as per: Ezekiel 47:21-23 and Isaiah 66:21 [/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]So the entire church is the 12 tribes of Israel. This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved by the New Covenant, which is made only with the Israel of God. Hebrews 8:10[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]John 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the "one fold" of the church. God knows who His people are, Amos 9:9, and every believer will be placed in the tribe assigned to them.

Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they are ethnic Jews, Acts 22:3 or ethnic Gentiles, Romans 16:4b, have become spiritually-circumcised Jews, if they have undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus. Romans 2:29, Philippians 3:3, Colossians 2:11-13

Also, the books of James[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]and Peter are addressed to [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the twelve tribes[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], which is the same as addressing people in the church, people with faith in Christ , James 1:3, that is: Christians, people who have been born again who are waiting for Christ to Return.

All those in the church, from every tribe, race, nation and language, are spiritually Abraham's seed. Galatians 3:29 And Abraham's seed is Israel. Isaiah 41:8 So the entire church membership are Israelites of God. Galatians 6:16 This literally means we are the ‘Overcomers of God’, or ‘God’s victorious people’. Revelation 3:5, Isaiah 56:1-8[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Not just the Jews in the church, but also the Gentiles in the church, are all spiritually Abraham's seed of promise as Isaac was and as Jesus is. And so the peoples of the church, Jews and those from every race, nation and language, all true believing Christians are heirs of all the as yet, unfulfilled promises made by God to Israel in all of the Bible: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Zechariah 8:7-8 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]The Lord says: I am going to rescue My people from wherever they are in the world and I will bring them back into the holy Land, to Jerusalem. They will be My people and I shall be their God in truth and righteousness. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Romans 8:18 [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]For I consider the trials and problems of the present time are not worth the glory that is going to be revealed to us.[/SIZE]

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

I see Zechariah 8 as being before the Millennium, as when Jesus physically Returns,

Don't believe everything you think.

Here is more proof of we Christians being the true Israel of God and how we are gathered to the holy Land and build the new Temple. Zechariah 8:1-9

Proof is not taking verses out of context and substituting the Church for every time it says Israel.

You preach replacement theology. That will never change. You will preach it until the cows come home and we go to Heaven.

 

[keras]

I will preach what the Bible tells us and it is that Jesus opened salvation to all people. Ethnic Jews have no further claim to being the choses race, unless they become Christian.
Your precious rapture theory is false; going to heaven was never and never will be part of God's plan for His people.

[SIZE=medium]Literal Israel and Spiritual Israel[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Throughout the New Testament, as well as in some prophecies of the Old Testament, the Bible makes a transition from literal Israel to spiritual Israel[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Hosea 2:23[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Romans 2:28[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]-[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]29[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]; [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Galatians 3:29[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]; Romans 9-11 [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]In Revelation 12:1-17, we find this transition from literal to spiritual Israel in the prophetic language of symbols. In [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]verse 2[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]the symbolic woman is pregnant. Her child is Jesus who was born a Jew in the land of Judah. In [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]verse 4[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] the dragon/Satan seeks to destroy the child Jesus when He is born. This was fulfilled by Herod: [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Matthew 2:13-16[/SIZE][SIZE=medium]. In [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]verse 5[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] the child is caught up to God in heaven, representing the resurrection of Christ.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]As the prophecy progresses in [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]verse 6[/SIZE][SIZE=medium], the woman no longer represents ethnic Israel but has now transitioned to spiritual Christian Israel fleeing from persecution during the 42 prophetic month period of the Great Tribulation.[/SIZE] [SIZE=medium]Verses 7-12[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] describes the victory gained over Satan by Jesus’ death on the Cross and how Satan and his angels are finally thrown down to the earth, 1260 days or three and a half years before Jesus physically Returns. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Then, in [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]verse 13[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] the woman is again brought to view, being persecuted by Satan. In [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]verse 14[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] she is given wings of an eagle so as she can escape. [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]Verses 6 and 14[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] present a major prophetic transition to God’s people. Both the woman and her place have changed from ethnic Israel in the Middle East to spiritual Israel and the new place God has prepared for her. Note that some Christians remain: [/SIZE][SIZE=medium]verse 17[/SIZE][SIZE=medium] and Satan persecutes them. They are the ‘many’ that agreed to the 7 year treaty of peace with the Anti-Christ, Daniel 11:32a and do not go into exile: Zephaniah 14:2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]At this point it is important to understand three truths outlined in the prophecy and confirmed both in the New Testament and in the history of the church:[/SIZE]

1. After the death of Christ, the Israel of God, transitioned from literal Israel to spiritual Israel. From an ethnic people to all peoples. 1 Peter 2:9-10
2. God’s faithful people: the woman, are moved from the holy Land to a place of safety on earth, given to her by God, to avoid the Great Tribulation.
3. The new Israel of God: all true Christians, are the focal point of the New Testament and the inheritors of God’s promises to ancient Israel.

Thinking that God still has a plan to redeem ethnic Israel; the Jewish people, conflicts with many prophesies that say how Judah will be judged and only a remnant will survive. It is Christians, from every race, nation and language who are God’s true, righteous people. Galatians 6:16
The woman in the latter part of this prophecy represents spiritual Israel: all who are in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:28; Romans 2:28-29
[SIZE=12pt]Revelation 12 presents us with a prophetic outline of God’s Christian people in the symbolic form of a woman. In the first part of Revelation 12, the woman is the literal House of Judah located in Palestine, The latter part of the same prophecy makes use of the same symbols that took literal Israel on their journey to Caanan; to now describe the journey of the woman, the Christian Israel of God, to a safe place on earth where they can worship Him in safety, until the 1260 days of the Great Tribulation have passed.[/SIZE]

 

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Replacement theology: Not valid.

 

[keras]

Replacement theology: Not valid.

What is invalid is the belief that there is Two People Two Promises. Ethnic Israel and the Church.
This belief must be held by those who like to think the Church, i.e. themselves, will be raptured to heaven, while the Jews remain for judgement.

This belief contradicts almost the whole New Testament, as Jesus came to extend salvation to all peoples. As Paul says in Romans 11:13-24, the Jews have been cut off from the Tree, [Jesus] but individuals can rejoin provided they accept Jesus' salvation. Just like everyone else.

So there is no 'replacement', but grafting in for us gentiles and restoration for the Messianic Jews.
And because we Christians ARE part of the Israel of God, His promises to His people of their ownership of all the holy Land is our heritage too.