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So, where do you place Matthew 24:22?Heb 13:8 said:Well, you put Matt 24:22 at the end of the 70th week, <-----gross error.
Heb 13:8 said:Underline: Even Matthew and Daniel confirms "the end" is first resurrection and rapture. Those who sleep in the dust will awake. They will both be delivered..
Matt 24:13 But the one who endures to the end will be delivered. (rapture)
Dan 12:1-2 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake (first resurrection): some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
The great trib is cut short in the latter half of the 70th week, in the fall on the Feast of Trumpets.keras said:So, where do you place Matthew 24:22?
Avoiding my proofs of your errors, shows how sadly deceived and confused you are.
We're raptured after great trib. Matt 24:29.n2thelight said:If the end is the rapture,how do you'll not go through the tribulation?
Jesus Returns after the Great Trib, of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.Heb 13:8 said:We're raptured after great trib. Matt 24:29.
Underline: "After the great trib" which is cut short, before the 70th week ends, not the end.keras said:Jesus Returns after the Great Trib, of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.
He comes down from heaven and His angels gather His people from every part of the world, Matthew 24:31. He meets them in the clouds and maybe that is where the Marriage Supper takes place. Revelation 19:7-9
Then Jesus destroys the armies surrounding Jerusalem and chains up Satan. Revelation 19:17-21
Its impossible for anyone to go to heaven then, as Jesus has left there and come to earth for His Millennium reign.
Quoting Matthew 24:29 as a rapture proof, that just tells of cosmic events which will happen at Jesus' Return, shows the total lack of support anywhere in scripture for that false theory.
and you still have yet to prove soul sleep is false. wouldn't you rather have the truth. Rev 19:1.keras said:Quoting Matthew 24:29 as a rapture proof, that just tells of cosmic events which will happen at Jesus' Return, shows the total lack of support anywhere in scripture for that false theory.
After the trib is the end and then Christ comes here,we don't go there.Heb 13:8 said:Underline: "After the great trib" which is cut short, before the 70th week ends, not the end.
The rapture is inside the second coming. The second coming consists of multiple events. The term "second coming" isn't found anywhere in the Bible, so we shouldn't use it.n2thelight said:After the trib is the end and then Christ comes here,we don't go there.
Which is the 2nd coming,ie,post trib
What nonsense! Jesus said He would come again, John 21:22 and in Acts 1:11 the angels said Jesus would come again in the same way as you have seen Him go. That IS a Second Coming.Heb 13:8 said:The rapture is inside the second coming. The second coming consists of multiple events. The term "second coming" isn't found anywhere in the Bible, so we shouldn't use it.
It's not nonsense to use correct Greek translations instead of made up terms. And still you haven't proven soul sleep is false, and you never will because it's not there. The great multitude is the church Rev 19:1.keras said:What nonsense! Jesus said He would come again, John 21:22 and in Acts 1:11 the angels said Jesus would come again in the same way as you have seen Him go. That IS a Second Coming.
There is no 'rapture to heaven' for living people anywhere in the Bible. Believing such a false teaching makes you commit further errors and just adds to the confusion.
Let me ask you a questionHeb 13:8 said:The rapture is inside the second coming. The second coming consists of multiple events. The term "second coming" isn't found anywhere in the Bible, so we shouldn't use it.
1 Thess 4:15 According to the Lord's word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming (parousia) of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep.
2 Thess 2:8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming (parousia).
Your proofs of other's errors?keras said:So, where do you place Matthew 24:22?
Avoiding my proofs of your errors, shows how sadly deceived and confused you are.
How sadly deceived and confused you are.keras said:Jesus Returns after the Great Trib, of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls.
Why would rapture be in the OT. The OT surrounds Israel and the law. The NT surrounds the body of Christ and the blessed hope.n2thelight said:Where is the rapture in the old testament?
"Unless you can prove?" What do you think I've been doing all this time. How do you prove to a blind man that Jesus is God?keras said:Sorry, Heb 13, your posts are just too weird and confused. You argue with me about soul sleep - that was intothe light, who brought that [correct] doctrine up.
Unless you can prove in Rev 19:1, that those who sound like a vast throng in heaven....are actually the Church, then your belief they are the Church, is a lie.
Once your eyes are open to pre-wrath there is no going back. God bless you Marcus.Marcus O'Reillius said:So Heb 13:8 is correct.
And your proof is nothing but delusional error.
Why would rapture be in the OT. The OT surrounds Israel and the law. The NT surrounds the body of Christ and the blessed hope.
Go ahead and use second coming if it makes you happy n2. Take care.n2thelight said:Is not His 2nd coming there?
Now I know why you can't see.............