All the fulness of Deity dwells in Him Bodily !

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The quintessence of eisegesis is isolating passages in order to substantiate a position. This is indicative of trinitarian hermeneutics, they are unable to find a paragraph, that in its entirety, asserts that Jesus is God. All any trinitarian has ever been able to produce, are remote and truncated verses, that context-wise, and intelligence wise, have absolutely no merit whatsoever.
Having the '...fullness of deity dwell within him...' juxtaposed with verse 12 '... having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead....'

This, clearly does not denote a deity of essence, but of character and purpose. We are all created in God's image, each of us have the potential for perfection, and reflecting the full image of God. Jesus loved God with all his heart, mind and soul, thus he attained perfection. ...and act that would be pathetically absurd if Christ were God. You're not getting the point. God's Atonement does not require that He comes to earth first, to love Himself, and therefore, to propitiate Himself. You trinitarians blaspheme the wisdom of God with your narrow minded eisegesis.
Jesus is God. Now you know!
 

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I did a study on this passage yesterday and I wanted to share it with the group.

Colossians 2:9

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For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

Now read the Greek below on the present ongoing meaning of DWELLS . The bodily dwelling of Deity is permanent not temporary. The Incarnation was PERMANENT.

κατοικεῖ (katoikei)
Verb - Present Indicative Active - 3rd Person Singular
Strong's Greek 2730: To dwell in, settle in, be established in (permanently), inhabit. From kata and oikeo; to house permanently, i.e. Reside.


8.2 σωματικός, ή, όν; σωματικῶςa: (derivatives of σῶμαa ‘body,’ 8.1) pertaining to a physical body—‘bodily, physical, bodily form.’[1] Louw Nida


Expositor's Greek Testament
Colossians 2:9. in Him and in Him alone.—κατοικεῖ: “permanently dwells”. The reference is to the Exalted State, not only on account of the present, but of the context and Paul’s Christology generally.—πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος: “all the fulness of the Godhead”. πᾶν is emphatic, the whole fulness dwells in Christ.

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sōmatikṓs (an adverb, derived from 4984 /sōmatikós which is an adjective derived from 4983 /sṓma, "body") – bodily(used only in Col 2:9)Loew & Nida Greek Lexicon

Never once in the NT is soma ever used of something nonphysical or immaterial .

Paul is talking in Col chapters 2-3 about the glorified resurrected Christ now seated at the right hand of God not the earthly Christ pre resurrection. This is a slam dunk that He is in a human glorified resurrection body and that He continues to have all the fullness of Deity dwelling bodily in the present.

Bodily (σωματικῶς) In bodily fashion or bodily-wise. The verse contains two distinct assertions: 1. That the fullness of the Godhead eternally dwells in Christ. The present tense κατοικεῖ dwelleth, is used like ἐστιν is (the image), Colossians 1:15, to denote an eternal and essential characteristic of Christ's being. The indwelling of the divine fullness in Him is characteristic of Him as Christ, from all ages and to all ages. Hence the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Him before His incarnation, when He was "in the form of God" (Philippians 2:6). The Word in the beginning, was with God and was God (John 1:1). It dwelt in Him during His incarnation. It was the Word that became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth, and His glory which was beheld was the glory as of the Only begotten of the Father (John 1:14; compare 1 John 1:1-3). The fullness of the Godhead dwells in His glorified humanity in heaven.

2. The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him in a bodily way, clothed the body. This means that it dwells in Him as one having a human body. This could not be true of His preincarnate state, when He was "in the form of God," for the human body was taken on by Him in the fullness of time, when "He became in the likeness of men" (Philippians 2:7), when the Word became flesh. The fullness of the Godhead dwelt in His person from His birth to His ascension. He carried His human body with Him into heaven, and in His glorified body now and ever dwells the fullness of the Godhead. Vincent Greek Word Studies


(2:9) Commenting on the contents of this verse, Lightfoot says; “The apostle justifies the foregoing charge that the doctrine was not according to Christ: ‘In Christ dwells the whole plērōma (πληρωμα) (fulness, plenitude), the entire fulness of the Godhead, whereas they represent it to you as dispersed among several spiritual agencies. Christ is the fountain-head of all spiritual life, whereas they teach you to seek it in communion with inferior creatures.’ ”


“Dwelleth” is katoikei (κατοικει). Oikeō (Ὀικεω) means “to be at home.” Kata (Κατα), prefixed, means “down,” thus showing permanence. The compound verb was used of the permanent residents of a town as compared with the transient community. The verb is in the present tense, showing durative action. The translation reads: “Because in Him there is continuously and permanently at home all the fulness of the Godhead in bodily fashion.”

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This means the body of Jesus is omnipresent, for every bit of his God to fit inside of it.
 

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I wonder why so many so-called christians do not think Jesus is still human, a man with a real flesh and bone body now in heaven ?
Because the Bible says that he was made a quickening spirit after he resurrected(1 Cor 15).
 

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Because the Bible says that he was made a quickening spirit after he resurrected(1 Cor 15).
just the opposite as Paul declares in 1 Corinthians 15 and Colossians 2:9

Paul wrote both books and does not contradict himself as you just did.

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just the opposite as Paul declares in 1 Corinthians 15 and Colossians 2:9

Paul wrote both books and does not contradict himself as you just did.

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45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


Just the opposite of what?
 

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45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.


Just the opposite of what?
quickening—not only living, but making alive (Joh 5:21; 6:33, 39, 40, 54, 57, 62, 63; Ro 8:11). As the natural or animal-souled body (1Co 15:44) is the fruit of our union with the first Adam, an animal-souled man, so the spiritual body is the fruit of our union with the second Adam, who is the quickening Spirit (2Co 3:17). As He became representative of the whole of humanity in His union of the two natures, He exhausted in His own person the sentence of death passed on all men, and giveth spiritual and everlasting life to whom He will.jfb

was made a quickening spirit: He was made so, not when he was conceived and born, for he had a body subject to the same natural infirmities that ours are; but upon his resurrection from the dead, when, though he had the same body, in respect of the substance of it, yet it differed in qualities, and was much more spiritual; with which body he ascended up into heaven, clothed with a power, as to quicken souls with a spiritual life, so also to quicken our mortal bodies at his second coming, when he shall raise the dead out of their graves. poole


BTW- it was addressed in the Resurrection thread so try and stay on topic with Colossians chapters 1-2 specifically Colossians 2:9.

can you exegete that passage ?

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the unitarians are coming out of the woodwork. at least I know your theological bent which is to denounce Christ of His Glory as God. John 20:28, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1

As soon as someone disagree's with your perspective you go into avoidance and demonization mode - rather than coherent defense of your position.

This is a sign of a weak foundation.
 

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As soon as someone disagree's with your perspective you go into avoidance and demonization mode - rather than coherent defense of your position.

This is a sign of a weak foundation.
deal with the OP if you don't believe it
 

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You deal with the OP if you don't believe it - You are talking Gibberish again.
No need to the as the TRUTH stands on its own in the OP. If you do not have anything cogent to say regarding Colossians 2:9 then move on ................

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No need to the as the TRUTH stands on its own in the OP. If you do not have anything cogent to say regarding Colossians 2:9 then move on ................

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What's to say about this text .. It says Christ was Divine. Do you have a problem with this ?
 

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What's to say about this text .. It says Christ was Divine. Do you have a problem with this ?
He is God just the same as the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.

And that He is now in heaven a man with a real physical human body of real flesh. A spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have. Luke 24:39

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Luke 24:39 (NKJV)
39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
Exactly his view contradicts Jesus teaching and Paul's in 1 Corinthians 15

JW's teach the same heresy.
 
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He is God just the same as the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.

And that He is now in heaven a man with a real physical human body of real flesh. A spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have. Luke 24:39

next..............................

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The text does not say that Jesus is "The Father" nor say that he is the same as the Father or imply anything of the sort .. and nor does your passage from Luke.

Why are you making things up - that don't exist in the text - and claiming that they do ?
 

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The text does not say that Jesus is "The Father" nor say that he is the same as the Father or imply anything of the sort .. and nor does your passage from Luke.

Why are you making things up - that don't exist in the text - and claiming that they do ?
God of the Bible is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Only one God.
 
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The text does not say that Jesus is "The Father" nor say that he is the same as the Father or imply anything of the sort .. and nor does your passage from Luke.

Why are you making things up - that don't exist in the text - and claiming that they do ?
What part of ALL the FULNESS of DEITY don't you comprehend ?

Translation- Nothing is lacking in His Deity just the same as nothing lacking in the Fathers Deity.

You have not learned a single thing about exegesis. Your method is eisegesis.

Like Father, like Son !

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