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The Ten Commandments ain't "the Law of Moses" - why do you think they were written in stone? To exemplify their "temporal" or permanent nature?

the 10 commandment are given by Moses.
He didnt write them, he gave them., (passed them along) same as the Law.
God wrote/devised it all, as its all HIS....>Moses just gave what God had provided.

The 10 commandments are a lifestyle boundary for the born again, they are not required for Salvation, unless they hung on the Cross.
They didnt.
Maybe you didnt realize it yet.
 

Phoneman777

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Everyone who has been born again, has received the "gift of Righteousness".
If you had it, you'd understand it.
Instead you are teaching works in place of God's Grace as all the Cult's teach this.... exclusively.... as their "Gospel of Works" that is : Galatians 1:8
There is your home theology.
Stop trying to convince people they're "righteous" while engaging in presumptuous sin - "he that doeth righteousness IS righteous".

You continue to attribute the promises of God, including the "gift of righteousness" to the Presumptuous Man - you - instead of leaving them to whom God singularly intended: the JUST MAN.
 

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You are reduced to personal insults and that is the gateway that all use on a Christian fourm, who are found in heresy trying to pretend they are not.

I find you to be somewhat foolish and not what i would classify as an intellectual.
You want to be perceived as a Teacher, because you need the approval.
If you were an "adult" and had a sophisticated mind, you would not be caught up in that Trivial and carnal pursuit.
However, you are what you are... and that is not going to change.

also....Earlier you said that you have no idea what a "Troll", is all about.
Well, a Troll is someone who tries to create strife on forums, by offering arguments for the sake of arguing.
That's you.
Facts don't care about our feelings. It's a FACT that demanding God provide us a License to Sin instead of simply accepting the only thing He offers - PARDON for sin and POWER to overcome it - is the same kind of childish foolishness our kids engage in.
 

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Stop trying to convince people they're "righteous".

The born again are "the righteousness of God in Christ". "Made righteous". This is the born again Spirit. Its not the body, as the body is dead because of SIN. And its not the mind, as the mind is not born again and has to be RENEWED.

Look at this verse.

"as Jesus IS.....so are the born again......in this world".

See that? The born again are as "Jesus IS".. And how is that?
He's RIGHTEOUSNESS., and so are the BORN AGAIN, who are "in Christ".

Welcome to Salvation.
Its not what your cult taught you, is it?

Nope.
 

Phoneman777

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Actually you teach that, and Paul has other Theology.

Look at it again..

1. Rapture happens when the time of the Gentile's is over.....and that is as "the days of noah" are found, and we are in those Days.

2. Great Trib. 7 yrs. anti-christ. then 2nd Advent

3. Millennial Reign
Where's the texts??? I'll show you mine if you show me yours:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Do you see how Paul shows us these two events happen AT THE SAME TIME????
 

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Facts don't care about our feelings.

And you dont care about facts.
You are not interested in the FACT of these verses that say that God does not charge sin to the born again.

2 Corinthians 5:19

Romans 4:8

Paul wrote those by the way.

So, here is what im showing you.

SIN, or works of the flesh, that you commit after you are BORN AGAIN, are not counted against you.
They are counted against Jesus, who is the "one time eternal sacrifice for SIN"...who "bore our sin on the Cross".

That is why those 2 verses tell you that God does not charge your sin against you, if you are born again.

This is what it means to have received "the GIFT of Righteousness" and "The GIFT of Salvation".
This is what it means to have become "made righteous".....>"Jesus is made unto you...RIGHTEOUSNESS"...."Sanctification"..."Justification".
 

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Thinking you can lose your Salvation, proves you are trying to earn it. = No faith in Christ.
See, if you believed Christ kept you saved, you would not be found on a forum trying to keep your Salvation...by.......your list.
You have quite a few self saving Christ rejecting Items on it.
Remember?
Thinking you can retain salvation while refusing to "abide in the Vine" proves you're only interested in a OSAS License to Sin which you think enables you to cling to your sin and my Savior at the same time. It cannot be.
 

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Where's the texts??? I'll show you mine if you show me yours:

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 KJV
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Do you see how Paul shows us these two events happen AT THE SAME TIME????


Rapture..

Then the Great Trib.

God as Christ comes to give the Bride their new body..>"we shall all be changed"..

That is not 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, where Jesus brings "Vengeance"., on "all those who know not God and do not obey the Gospel".
 

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The 10 commandments are a lifestyle boundary for the born again, they are not required for Salvation, unless they hung on the Cross.
They didnt.
Maybe you didnt realize it yet.
Stop telling us that a grace saved Christian may backslide and become a serial ax murderer and still go to heaven - because that's essentially what you're saying, right? They're just a "lifestyle boundary", right?

No, friend, they are the STANDARD of righteousness, the obedience of which proves whether we've accepted salvation or not.
 

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Thinking you can retain salvation


Salvation is not my responsibility to maintain.
See, if i had to maintain it, then it would not be a GIFT. And Salvation is "the Gift of righteousness".

To maintain a GIFT ?
Sorry no.
But to teach that, is this.... Galatians 1:8 as you are changing the Cross of Christ into your self effort to try to stay saved.

That is LEGALISM, that denies the Cross, and insults the Blood of Jesus.
You should not teach that, and you should not believe that cult demonic subverted insult against the Blood atonement and the "GIFT of Salvation".


I hope you will hear me soon.
 

Phoneman777

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The born again are "the righteousness of God in Christ". "Made righteous". This is the born again Spirit. Its not the body, as the body is dead because of SIN. And its not the mind, as the mind is not born again and has to be RENEWED.

Look at this verse.

"as Jesus IS.....so are the born again......in this world".

See that? The born again are as "Jesus IS".. And how is that?
He's RIGHTEOUSNESS., and so are the BORN AGAIN, who are "in Christ".

Welcome to Salvation.
Its not what your cult taught you, is it?

Nope.
Still trying to convince the backslidden Christian serial rapist he's "righteous", huh?

"He that doeth righteousness IS righteous" because Jesus resides in this Just Man's heart empowering him to obedience and covering with grace those times he may "fall" into sin...

...while the OSAS Presumptuous Sinner - you - deliberately climbs down into the pit of sin, sits comfortably among the filth, swats away the uplifting hand of Jesus, and pushes his OSAS License to Sin in His face.
 

Phoneman777

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And you dont care about facts.
You are not interested in the FACT of these verses that say that God does not charge sin to the born again.

2 Corinthians 5:19

Romans 4:8

Paul wrote those by the way.

So, here is what im showing you.

SIN, or works of the flesh, that you commit after you are BORN AGAIN, are not counted against you.
They are counted against Jesus, who is the "one time eternal sacrifice for SIN"...who "bore our sin on the Cross".

That is why those 2 verses tell you that God does not charge your sin against you, if you are born again.

This is what it means to have received "the GIFT of Righteousness" and "The GIFT of Salvation".
This is what it means to have become "made righteous".....>"Jesus is made unto you...RIGHTEOUSNESS"...."Sanctification"..."Justification".
Brother, all I deal in is facts. You trade in the same "traffick" as did him spoken of in Ezekiel 28.
 

Phoneman777

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Rapture..

Then the Great Trib.

God as Christ comes to give the Bride their new body..>"we shall all be changed"..

That is not 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, where Jesus brings "Vengeance"., on "all those who know not God and do not obey the Gospel".
What Bible are you reading?
"The Willfully Ignorant's Abridged Old and New Testament of Lies" by "S. A. Tan?
 

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Salvation is not my responsibility to maintain..
We absolutely are responsible to "abide in the Vine" day by day, hour by hour, moment by moment. Why would Jesus warn us that if we fail to, we'll be cast into the fire?

Why do you want to be absolved of your responsibility to repent from sin? Do you not realize that heaven would be a place of eternal torment for those who refuse to give up cherished sins?
Do you think the alcoholic would be eternally happy in a place where there's no booze?
Do you think the heroin addict would be eternally happy in a place with no needles?
Do you think the pervert would be eternally happy in a place with no adult or child porn?

Is your problem that you've found the Cross lacks power to convince you to choose repentance and is why you need a OSAS License to Sin to fall back on?
 
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What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. Rom7:7-11

Saul earnestly sought justification by obeying the law. He understood what was entailed in obeying the ten commandments. He must obey the law relating to the inner man, the law no one but he and God need know he broke. Some will excuse that law as trivial, it is not so important, the main things are do not murder, steal, commit adultery etc. Paul knew better. For because of that law, Paul stated the commandment that was ordained to life he found to be unto death. It would be a hard thing for a young teenager who had just reached puberty to be told, if they have any impure thoughts it shows they have not been saved, for they have failed the standard of righteousness. Be tough for an adult too!
 

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Thinking you can lose your Salvation, proves you are trying to earn it. = No faith in Christ.
See, if you believed Christ kept you saved, you would not be found on a forum trying to keep your Salvation...by.......your list.
You have quite a few self saving Christ rejecting Items on it.
Remember?

When you are married thinking you could get divorced does not mean you are no longer married.
Often knowing things are a choice, is an important step to healing and reconciliation.
Many times when I am fed up and upset, I need distance to heal, calm down and get a proper perspective.

It is then I can choose again to love my wife and actively show this.

Walking with the Lord is no different. Often we can lose perspective, get things round the wrong way and hate where we are. It is like being forced into something by itself can amplify the bad feelings one has. Knowing it is a loving and caring relationship that works on mutual appreciation is an important step along the road. Jesus tells us what we must do, but it is because that is the truth and that is what works.

God bless you
 

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The danger to pastors is that they can fall into Theological error and ruin all their Sheep's discipleship and faith.

The danger to pastor is a beautiful wicked woman and the pastor is not spiritually "amour'd up" and always ready for this challenge.

The danger to a pastor is a Church filled with carnally ambitious males who want to get His Job.

The danger to a pastor is a wife who has gone carnal, fallen from Grace, and decides to tell the "church board" or the entire congregation every dark secret that the man has ever committed..

Lots of dangers to a Pastor.....those are just 4.

This sounds like a betrayal of trust and a very personal experience.
And these issues are true for all believers, not just pastors.

God bless you
 
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Thinking you can lose your Salvation, proves you are trying to earn it. = No faith in Christ.
When a spouse obtains a divorce, does he/she consider it a "loss" of anything? Likewise, the only thing considered to be a "loss" to the impenitently backslidden Christian is time - time they could have spent having fun fightin', fornicatin', and gettin' their fill of booze, drugs, etc.
See, if you believed Christ kept you saved, you would not be found on a forum trying to keep your Salvation...by.......your list. You have quite a few self saving Christ rejecting Items on it. Remember?
See, if church people believed the truth that Christ will only save those who want to "walk even as He walked" - IN OBEDIENCE - they'd turn loose that useless, stupid OSAS License to Sin that deceives them into believing we may cling to both our sin and Jesus at the same time.
 
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What is a License?
It grants the Licensed the ability to engage in activity for which the Unlicensed suffers punishment.
This is an incontrovertible truth.
The licensed fisherman cannot be fined as will the unlicensed fisherman.
The unlicensed driver cannot be fined as will the unlicensed driver.

What does OSAS claim about God's grace?
The sins a Christian man commits won't bring upon him the eternal damnation which the sins of the non-Christian bring upon himself.

In other words, OSAS grants the Christian a License allowing him to escape the eternal punishment for which the Unlicensed sinner will suffer.

No! A believer does not have license to sin- that is ridiculous. but a believer will sin, because though saved, they still live in a body of sin and death. that does not excuse it, condone it, encourage it or just say Oh well! It mewans that His sins are already forgiven- even the ones they haven't committed!

that is because you do not understand salvation. You have a type of works mentality!

sin is not the issue whether someone goes to the lake of fire or not. As Jesus said- it depends on whether one believes on Jesus or not!

Jesus paid for the sins of the world! so sin no longer sends a person to hell. Jesus paid the tab so to speak. One goes to hell because they reject Jesus' death and physical resurrection as the full and only satisfactory offering for their sin. they therefore are condemned and must pay the tab themseleves.