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Not according to Job.Dave no man or angel was made before the creation of the heaven and the earth. now what exact "Day" the angels was made on I don't know, but I do know what what "Day" man was made on... DAY 3.
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Not according to Job.Dave no man or angel was made before the creation of the heaven and the earth. now what exact "Day" the angels was made on I don't know, but I do know what what "Day" man was made on... DAY 3.
Error on your part. chapter 38 are not human nor angels.Not according to Job.
As I said earlier, the "sons of God" are above angels who are not called sons of God.Error on your part. chapter 38 are not human nor angels.
if not prove it?
I know angels are NOT called sons. and "above?" depends on how you use the term.As I said earlier, the "sons of God" are above angels who are not called sons of God.
It's how God uses it in Job.I know angels are NOT called sons. and "above?" depends on how you use the term.
dave, dave, dave, I showed you how God used it in Job. read my post in theIt's how God uses it in Job.
I don't see them mentioned in scripture, so, no.dave, dave, dave, I showed you how God used it in Job. read my post in the
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No what it simply means is that angels were never intended to marry, and there are no female angels. All angels are MALE and have supernatural powers. As as example study the destruction of the army of Sennacherib.
It means exactly what the bible says. That angels are neither male or female.
They can look like anything they want.
In the OT, *sons of God* is a very specific technical term for angels, since they are direct creations of God (no fathers and mothers).
Sons of God mean anyone, angels or human, who are in a relationship with God.
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The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
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Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"
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For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
And they are contrasted with *daughters of men* or human women. Genesis 6 clearly reveals unlawful sexual relations between angels (presumably having taken human form) and women. Thus their offspring were very remarkable -- giants and men of renown. These angels are identified as *the angels which sinned* (Peter) or *the angels which kept not their first estate* (Jude).
Impossible, fallen angels are already chained the pit.
In contrast, in the OT, the righteous are never called *sons of God* but *the righteous* or *the just* or *the saints*, or *the saints of the Most High*. It is only in the NT that those who have been born again by the power of the Holy Spirit are called *sons of God*. There was no New Birth in the Old Covenant, and it is a part of the New Covenant, which included the promised gift of the Holy Spirit.
Dave no man or angel was made before the creation of the heaven and the earth. now what exact "Day" the angels was made on I don't know, but I do know what what "Day" man was made on... DAY 3.
This is patently FALSE. Read and study the epistle to the Hebrews.The new covenant is to the house and Judah and house of Israel. It is not in force yet.
No. the New Covenant is NOT a contract. It is all about the grace of God and the blood of Christ. Read and study the epistle to the Hebrews.We do not operate under contract, which is what covenant means. We operate under grace and promise.
This is patently FALSE. Read and study the epistle to the Hebrews.
“The days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
9 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
No. the New Covenant is NOT a contract. It is all about the grace of God and the blood of Christ. Read and study the epistle to the Hebrews.
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diaqhvkh from (1303)
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Diatheke 2:106,157
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dee-ath-ay'-kay Noun Feminine
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contract (kŏnˈtrăktˌ)
- a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will
- a compact, a covenant, a testament
- God's covenant with Noah, etc.
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An agreement between two or more parties, especially one that is written and enforceable by law. See Synonyms at bargain.- n.
The writing or document containing such an agreement.- n.
The branch of law dealing with formal agreements between parties.
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An HOA has a decoration of covenants. A binding contract between each owner and the association
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And stop pushing your false doctrines, and your false idea that the King James Bible is deficient in any way. You have a lot to learn, my friend.
I have already demonstrated its problems.
Say catholic manuscripts from the 1500s or superior to those millennia older.
yes, man was formed on day three.Readly, Day 3?
I can see your'e off on your own trip Dave...Your reply is not relevant to my post.Sons of God existed before creation of the universe.
“Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?” (Job 38:4–7) (KJV 1900)
“Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.” (Job 2:1) (KJV 1900)
“The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.” (Genesis 6:4) (NASB95)
How is it not relevant if I provide the earliest record of the Sons of God in history?I can see your'e off on your own trip Dave...Your reply is not relevant to my post.
Adam and Eve had no children in the garden of Eden.Post #2.
Point #2. Spiritual Evidence, the Account,
Genesis 3:20 "And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living". (KJV).
This one verse hold a ton of information just by itself, let's break it down and understand.
Adam called his wife name "EVE" why? Two points. 1. because she "WAS" the mother,
2. of all "Living". why is this so important? because names carry meaning. this name EVE have a direct effect on Genesis chapter 6 and the sons of God there. As well as to us.
Exhibit C. "the MOTHER of all LIVING". notice, Adam didn't name his wife until after they sinned, why? both of their names was called "ADAM", because that's what they are. scripture,
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created".
you never call a woman MOTHER unless she have or had children. (remember we're still in the Garden). Eve, she had children, hence the the reason for her name. why? Because she “WAS” the Mother ... of all LIVING. Was is a past tense designation, meaning she was already a Mother.
these Children was "LIVING", not just physically, but Spiritually "ALIVE" unto God, that's why they was called Sons of God, because they was not born in sin as we are and need to be born again of the Spirit. this is the reason why Adam said, "WAS" the mother of all living, (WAS IS "PAST" TENSE) because now that they have sinned all her children from now on will be Spiritually dead, or cut off from God in sin. again, the need to be BORN AGAIN. Supportive scripture, Rom 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned”. (kjv)
by these Children being Spiritually alive to God, they have the TITLE "Sons of God". and the term "son" here is not speaking of biology, (as in a son), but of those who manifest a certain "character" or "characteristics". this is in reference to descendants, without reference to sex, or gender. as today we are the sons of God because we're in christ Jesus, where there is neither male nor female. so, we who are dead Spiritually must be as said, "BORN" AGAIN, and only then are we the Sons of God. For a “dead” son/sinner, is not a son son of god, supportive scripture,
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed". question who is that promise seed? christ, scripture,
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. not seed(s) as in many, no, but in ONE, Jesus the Christ. so the children/sons of God are spritual in the way they act.
these Spiritually alive Children are the "Sons" of God in Genesis chapter 6. Just as Adam was a Son of God in the garden.... no sin, (spiritually alive to God), until he disobeyed. theses children, born in the garden, are the people that Cain was afraid of when he killed his brother Able, scripture,
Genesis 4:14 "Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me. Say what? “every one that findeth him”. according to tradition of men Cain and Abel was the first children on the planet at that time. ERROR, no, Adam and Eve had children in the Garden who grew up and left the Garden and wemt about filling the earth. Supportive scripture, Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. Why put this here in chapter 2 when by tradition of men Eve was not formed until day 6….. ? oh well. Just like today children who grow up and leave home.
Understand the bible was written to us, the fallen line from Adam.
Exhibit D. Genesis 4:15 "And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Whosoever? these same people, his sisters and brother, cousins many generation, are the Sons of God, that's the “whosoever” mention here.
Now, how long Adam and Eve was having Children in the garden, the bible says not. But judging from the conversation here in chapter 4 verse 15, we can say, Adam and Eve had a few … (smile) safe to say.
Conclusion: two lines from Adam. A fallen line, US, who need to be born again. And the righteous Line, not born in sin. And the bible was written about us the fallen line.
By having children in the garden, it answer the age old question where did Cain get his wife from. who was she, now we know. And who are the sons of God in chapter 6, now we know.
The fallen Line was set for redemption. Hence our bible, hence our history.
Hoped this helped clear up some of the Mystery about the sons of God in Genesis.
Based on what evidence?Adam and Eve had no children in the garden of Eden.
Based on what evidence?
the scriptures are true,
Matt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Matt 15:12 Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
Matt 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Matt 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.