Another Premillennial absurdity

[Truth7t7]

I don't care how YOU see it! Where is the Scripture to prove what you allege?

Mark 13:26 (KJV) And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mark 13:27 (KJV) And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

As we can see when the Lord returns after the seventh angel sounds the gathering of the elect if from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. That means ALL the elect both Jew and Gentile together. Again your Zionism is showing. Since when are the elect of Christ limited to Jewish people?

Paul writing to the Church of Colossae, which is both Gentile (Greek) and Jew calling them the elect of God. Will these elect Gentiles be left out of the gathering of the elect when Christ returns since you believe Christ gathers only Jewish people? What kind of nonsense you present in defense of Zionism.

Colossians 3:11-13 (KJV) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.

That's correct, the propaganda of Zionism

The poster has Jews being saved after the second coming, going out meeting Jesus

Zionist Fairy Tales And Fantasy!

 

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That's correct, the propaganda of Zionism

The poster has Jews being saved after the second coming, going out meeting Jesus

Zionist Fairy Tales And Fantasy!

Zionism is really a very hateful doctrine toward Jewish people.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Zechariah 14 represents the day of the Lord and the (Eternal Kingdom) that takes place after

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment dissolving this earth by fire (The End) no mortal human body survives

The Lord's final judgement by fire, men are "Consumed" as they stand on their feet

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

None of that is true IF the earth is dissolved by fire when Jesus returns.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Your claim above in bold red would be considered heretical by many, and I wouldn't disagree

"After Jesus Christ returns, Jews go and meet him and get saved"

Out in left field is a big understatement, your claims are so far away from scriptural truth, my words are silenced

Jesus Is The Lord

Some of us believe the dogma dictated by our religion. Others believe because the gospel rings true. And sometimes the first group persecutes the second group.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It appears your looking into a mirror of truth

Some people look at a photo of themselves, thinking it's a mirror.

 

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The prophecy of the 144K will be fulfilled in our future. They will live in the promised land. God will pour out his spirit on them. He will bless them materially and he will protect them from their enemies.

I am not a Zionist. A Zionist is a communist who advocated for the return of Jews to Palestine, by force of arms, intrigue, subversion, revolution, and treachery. Jesus warned his disciples about men who would take the kingdom by force.

Even so, these efforts will not stop God from his purpose to restore his holy name.

No, you're far worse than a communist Zionist, because you claim the name Christian. That makes you a Christian Zionist, who teaches Jews need not worry about turning to Christ in this Gospel age because when Christ returns, He will eternally save them and return to them the Old Covenant promised land they lost. This is a lie from the pit of hell! As a Christian we are called to proclaim the Gospel in this Messianic age, because once this age comes to an end there will not be more time given to Jews to make things right with God, or to restore God's already holy name. Most absurd and abominable doctrine propagated by so-called well-meaning Christians today!

 

[CadyandZoe]

As we can see when the Lord returns after the seventh angel sounds the gathering of the elect if from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. That means ALL the elect both Jew and Gentile together. Again your Zionism is showing. Since when are the elect of Christ limited to Jewish people?

When Jesus spoke these words, he was speaking as a Jew into a Jewish audience. In that context, "elect" refers to Jewish elect.

Paul writing to the Church of Colossae, which is both Gentile (Greek) and Jew calling them the elect of God.

Different context = different meaning.

Will these elect Gentiles be left out of the gathering of the elect when Christ returns since you believe Christ gathers only Jewish people?

According to Paul, all of the Christian elect, which includes both Jew and Gentile Jesus-followers will be gathered together with him in the air. The gathering Jesus mentioned is a different gathering. Paul is talking about a gathering of Christians; Jesus is talking about the Jewish return from exile.

They are being gathered there right now, for those who have eyes to see it.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Oh, boy! Now God needs time, apparently exactly one thousand years, to RESTORE His holy name???? What happened to VINDICATE His holy name? God doesn't need to restore or vindicate His holy name!

Jesus taught his disciples how to pray, telling them to ask the Father to vindicate the holiness of his name. The prophet Ezekiel reveals the steps he will take in order to accomplish this purpose.

If you want to know more about this, watch my video on the subject.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No, you're far worse than a communist Zionist, because you claim the name Christian. That makes you a Christian Zionist, who teaches Jews need not worry about turning to Christ in this Gospel age because when Christ returns, He will eternally save them and return to them the Old Covenant promised land they lost. This is a lie from the pit of hell! As a Christian we are called to proclaim the Gospel in this Messianic age, because once this age comes to an end there will not be more time given to Jews to make things right with God, or to restore God's already holy name. Most absurd and abominable doctrine propagated by so-called well-meaning Christians today!

Your insults have no basis in truth. Show me a post, for instance, where I teach that Jews not need worry about turning to Christ.

 

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When Jesus spoke these words, he was speaking as a Jew into a Jewish audience. In that context, "elect" refers to Jewish elect.

Different context = different meaning.

According to Paul, all of the Christian elect, which includes both Jew and Gentile Jesus-followers will be gathered together with him in the air. The gathering Jesus mentioned is a different gathering. Paul is talking about a gathering of Christians; Jesus is talking about the Jewish return from exile.

They are being gathered there right now, for those who have eyes to see it.

Yes, Jesus was speaking to Jews! About His coming again in glory. Just because Christ is speaking to a Jewish audience does not mean the elect who are gathered when He returns is only for the Jews! That's ridiculous, and I think you know it is. Elect has the same definition whether it is Paul writing to Gentile believers, or Christ speaking to a Jewish audience.

Of course in your imagination Christ returns more than a second time. Trouble is the Bible does not support your imagination. Scripture assures us that Christ will appear the second time, not a third. No such thing as your imagination assumes of some invisible coming to meet the Lord in the air. Every believer whether Jew or Gentile will meet Him in the air when He returns the second time so that we will not be on this earth when the fire of God comes down from heaven to burn up everything on this first earth.

Hebrews 9:28 (KJV) So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

 

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Your insults have no basis in truth. Show me a post, for instance, where I teach that Jews not need worry about turning to Christ.

You teach it every time you say Christ will gather the Jews and return them to the promised land they lost, where they will be for one thousand years. Anyone reading the Bible through the Spirit of Christ in them, can understand this earth is utterly burned up when Christ returns the second time. Yet you insist Jews will be on this earth for one thousand years to make things right with God. But you ignore the FACT that Christ will not return the second time until His Kingdom is complete. Since the Kingdom is complete when Christ returns why continue with this fantasy about one thousand more years of time for this earth? There will be no more eternally saved once Christ returns again the second time. There will only be judgment and wrath, because eternal salvation through the Gospel will be finished.

 

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Jesus taught his disciples how to pray, telling them to ask the Father to vindicate the holiness of his name. The prophet Ezekiel reveals the steps he will take in order to accomplish this purpose.

If you want to know more about this, watch my video on the subject.

No thank you! I will stick with the Word of God. You've proven you don't really have understanding from the Word of God.

 

[Truth7t7]

None of that is true IF the earth is dissolved by fire when Jesus returns.

That seen in Zechariah 14 is the (Eternal Kingdom) in the NHNE "After" this earth is dissolved by fire

The river of life is flowing in Zechariah 14:8, only seen in the NHNE

Will you continue to pretend as if a complete explanation hasn't been given

Jesus Christ Was God Manifest In The Flesh!

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Some of us believe the dogma dictated by our religion. Others believe because the gospel rings true. And sometimes the first group persecutes the second group.

It appears you have yet to hear the ring of truth

Jesus Christ Was God Manifest In The Flesh!

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Some people look at a photo of themselves, thinking it's a mirror.

Jesus Christ Was God Manifest In The Flesh!

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[CadyandZoe]

Yes, Jesus was speaking to Jews! About His coming again in glory. Just because Christ is speaking to a Jewish audience does not mean the elect who are gathered when He returns is only for the Jews!

Yes, it is necessarily so.

That's ridiculous, and I think you know it is. Elect has the same definition whether it is Paul writing to Gentile believers, or Christ speaking to a Jewish audience.

Not according to Deuteronomy 7:6

Of course in your imagination Christ returns more than a second time.

I didn't say Christ returns more than a second time. Keep guessing and you will always guess wrong.

Trouble is the Bible does not support your imagination. Scripture assures us that Christ will appear the second time, not a third. No such thing as your imagination assumes of some invisible coming to meet the Lord in the air.

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Every believer whether Jew or Gentile will meet Him in the air when He returns the second time so that we will not be on this earth when the fire of God comes down from heaven to burn up everything on this first earth.

When Jesus calls his disciples into the air, that is NOT the second coming. The Greek word "parusia" means "presence", which is when Jesus returns to the earth to remain present and rule over all the nations.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You teach it every time you say Christ will gather the Jews and return them to the promised land they lost, where they will be for one thousand years.

This is not Zionism. And the Bible does teach that God will return Israel back to the land. You have been misled.

 

[CadyandZoe]

No thank you! I will stick with the Word of God. You've proven you don't really have understanding from the Word of God.

Are you one of those who affirm dogma by virtue of a religious belief or do you actually have reasons for what you believe?

 

[CadyandZoe]

That seen in Zechariah 14 is the (Eternal Kingdom) in the NHNE "After" this earth is dissolved by fire

The river of life is flowing in Zechariah 14:8, only seen in the NHNE

Will you continue to pretend as if a complete explanation hasn't been given

Jesus Christ Was God Manifest In The Flesh!

Jesus Is The Lord

What do you mean? You lost me.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It appears you have yet to hear the ring of truth

Jesus Christ Was God Manifest In The Flesh!

Jesus Is The Lord

I never denied that Jesus Christ is God manifest in the Flesh. I denied that Jesus is deity. Two different things.