Another simple disproof of Amil: No more sea

[WPM]

The only difference between the new earth and old earth, is the new earth has no more sea, New Jerusalem will be on the new earth, in which God and the Lamb will dwell with men.

Which is why the Lord reigning over them left of the slaughter at Armageddon cannot be the new earth, since the living waters running down from Jeruslaem flow into two seas, one of which the Dead Sea's waters will be healed.

There is no sea at all on the new earth.

Not so, the opposite is the truth. There are countless major differences between these 2 realities. You need to study these.

The bondage of corruption is completely lifted when Jesus come. That is the removal of the curse. That is no small thing. The earth is completely regenerated or renovated when Jesus appears. All the result of the Fall is purged from creation. That means one must be perfectly qualified to inherit it. Mortality and corruption cannot inherit incorruption. The wicked are prohibited from it.

Many verses show the removal of the corrupt and corruption when He comes. The heavens, elements, earth and works therein are all changed. The redeemed are all changed.

This could not be more awesome, wholesale, and climactic.

Jesus says of His coming in Matthew 24:35-39: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be.”

The removal of the current heaven and earth is here connected to the coming of the Lord. After telling us that “heaven and earth shall pass away” Jesus immediately tells us: “of that day and hour knoweth no man.” This final day that is approaching is coming unexpectedly. This fits in with the “thief in the night” scenario found elsewhere in Scripture. It would seem to confirm that the day that Christ returns is the day when the current corrupt natural order (both the creature and creation) is gloriously changed. The wicked and all corruption are destroyed when Jesus comes. The Lord here identifies the passing away of “heaven and earth” with “the coming of the Son of man.”

Jesus said in Mark 13:24-26, 31-32: “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory … Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

Christ speaks of “the days of Noe” (plural), speaking of the days that preceded the destruction of all the wicked. He then spoke of “the day” (singular), speaking of the actual day when the wicked were wiped. This contrast between “the days” and “day” is common in Scripture and is presented in order that we can distinguish between “the lasts days” of time and “the last day” of time, that ushers in the end. The actual day that Noah entered into the ark "the flood came, and took them all away." It was therefore an individual day that God closed the door of the Ark and by doing so damned all those that were left behind. The same will occur when our ark – Christ – arrives at the second coming.

Jesus said in Luke 21:25-27, 33-36: “And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory … Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”

Can you see what happens to heaven and earth when Jesus comes? Can you see what happens to believers when Jesus comes? Can you see what happened to the wicked when Jesus comes?

2 Peter 3:3-13 couldn't be clearer: “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming [Gr. parousia]? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”

What happens to creation when Jesus arrives? 1. The heavens shall pass away / perish with a great noise. Most commentators relate this to the physical universe – the stars, planets, and galaxies. 2. The elements shall be ‘loosed by being set on fire’. This is speaking about the elements of the material creation. Some Bible students identify this with the four classic elements of earth, wind, fire and water. Others, like John MacArthur, relate this to atoms, neutrons, protons and electrons. 3. The earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly. This is our current habitable globe. 4. The works that are within the earth shall be ‘burned up utterly / consumed wholly. That is describing everything upon the earth.

Revelation 20:11-15, 21:1-5 tells us: “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”

Revelation 22:3 tells us that the new heavens and new earth arrive “there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.”

The renewal of the earth is carefully tied to the renewal of fallen man; manifestly, as at the beginning so at the end. It is at this finishing stage that all the former consequences of the curse will be eternally removed from the elect through the glorification process. Moreover, this current earth will be simultaneously renewed by way of a fiery renewal.

 

[jeffweeder]

Already have. One of which includes the thread you're on.

But since you symbolize anything you want, there's not point in it.

I argue what Scripture says, and you are argue it's only symbol, os that it doesn't really say it.

In post 34, I was referring to scriptures such as,

2Thess 1:5-10
Jn 5:24-29
Matt 24:21-22,

 

[robert derrick]

Partially right. We believe Christ is coming back to reign on a glorified earth with glorified saints. There will be no bondage of corruption as blights the Premil future earth and no wicked to overrun the new earth as in Premil version.

Heaven and earth don't get born again.

Nature can be pacified by God who rules the wind and the waves, but not reborn.

Nature is created and as it is.

Only the soul of man can be born again of the Spirit of God, because souls of men are created spiritually by Christ.

There is no created 'utopian' heaven and earth, but only a heaven and earth that God rules daily, whether to be still and calm, or tumultuous.

 

[WPM]

Heaven and earth don't get born again.

Nature can be pacified by God who rules the wind and the waves, but not reborn.

Nature is created and as it is.

Only the soul of man can be born again of the Spirit of God, because souls of men are created spiritually by Christ.

There is no created 'utopian' heaven and earth, but only a heaven and earth that God rules daily, whether to be still and calm, or tumultuous.

This is simply not true. The current cursed creation is going to be glorified when Jesus comes. The bondage of corruption is going to be purged from it. Your theology forces you to reject this. This earth is depicted in Scripture as gradually decaying to such a stage that it needs replaced. The surface of this earth is likened unto a well-worn overcoat that needs replaced with a brand-new spotless garment. This is shown to occur at the second coming. Christ is not going to replace the current tattered coat with another decayed coat, as many imagine, with their faulty theology. No! But rather a new perfected garment. Death and decay will soon come to an end. But this does not negate the continued existence of the same the earth. It will be an ongoing trophy of God's glorious regenerational renewal.

Psalm 102:25-27 predicts, “Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.”

Isaiah 51:6 also says, “Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.”

Hebrews 1:10-12 tells us, “Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish (apollumi); but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old (palaioo) as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed (allasso): but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail."

These passages confirm the reality of the ongoing existence of the bondage of corruption at the moment. This will all change when Jesus comes. Comparing this earth to a fading and deteriorating garment, the writer tells us that the current heavens and earth is waxing old. The Greek word employed here for “wax old” is palaioo which means worn out, decaying or to declare obsolete.

The second coming is all-consummating and ushers in the complete end of all things old/temporal and wicked and introduces the beginning of all things new/eternal and righteous. The second coming witnesses the total destruction of the world/wicked and a general resurrection/judgement. The wicked and the righteous are judged in total and that each receives their eternal destiny at that time. The conflagration that occurs here coincides with the replacement of this corrupt sin-cursed world with a new earth and an eternally righteous state.

This change is evidently seismic. It is so drastic that it will be as if the earth was annihilated and replaced by another earth. That is because the destructive and debilitating curse of corruption is finally and eternally purged by fire from the globe. Like the repentant sinner, this earth has received its emersion in water, it is now awaiting its baptism of fire.

Just as we have become a new creation in Christ, yet we remain the self-same entity, so it is with this current earth when He appears. 2 Corinthians 5:17 teaches: “if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

It would have been great if this had meant that my old nature was completely eliminated and that I had become completely brand new, although, in a spiritual sense I did – even though my physical appearance remained exactly the same. This did not mean that the core “us” did not continue. It did! But our spiritual outward covering was forever changed. We are now clothed with His perfect righteousness. That will be realized in all it literal and physical fullness at the second coming. This is a strong reason to think the earth is going to undergo similar.

The Greek is fairly strong and would suggest a destruction of the old corruptible state of fallen creation and an introduction of the new eternal state. This does not necessarily mean that this earth will disappear; it could mean that through fiery regeneration this present earth will be brought back to its former condition. In this cosmic renewal, everything that is outside of God and possesses any vestige of the fall will be either burnt up or changed.

Every vestige of the fall is removed when Christ comes – never to arise again. A new earth will come-forth that is totally renewed and eternally free of corruption. When man fell all creation fell with him, when man is glorified, all of creation will be glorified with him. Creation is delivered from the curse by the fiery conflagration that regenerates this current earth and renews it to the state it was before the fall - free from, sin, wickedness, the wicked, death and wars (the awful plagues that continue to blight the Premil millennium).

 

[robert derrick]

Not so, the opposite is the truth. There are countless major differences between these 2 realities. You need to study these.

The bondage of corruption is completely lifted when Jesus come. That is the removal of the curse. That is no small thing. The earth is completely regenerated or renovated when Jesus appears. All the result of the Fall is purged from creation. That means one must be perfectly qualified to inherit it. Mortality and corruption cannot inherit incorruption. The wicked are prohibited from it.

The earth will not be born. The old earth will be burned up with the old heaven, with all celestial and terrestrial elements dissolved.

The new heaven and earth are created new, just as this one. There is no recycling of heaven and earth, which is created exactly as God desires. There's nothing good nor evil about nature.

The earth is ruled by God, and nature can be tame or tumultuous according to His will, but there is nothing good nor evil about it, but just natural. The same with flesh and blood of any creature on earth.

Christian utopian cosmology is false.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Heaven and earth never enters into the the spiritual nor earthly kingdom of Christ. The everlasting spiritual kingdom of Christ is only for faithful angels and men that love and obey Him.

During Christ's kingdom rule on earth, the lion will lay down with the lamb, because of Christ's will and good pleasure on earth, neither will man be allowed to make war: all men and women and children will be subjects of the King.

Making the natural things the same as, and akin to the things of the Spirit, is an idealized Christian form of pagan spiritism, with natural things having spirits and minds of their own: it's worship of the creature along with the worship of God, which means instead of God.

When Scripture speaks of the creature and man groaning together, it's speaking of the mortal body and the soul of man, not of man and trees.

When the cedars of Lebanon clap at the coming of the Lord, it's because of the wind in the limbs coming with the Lord, not because the cedars love the Lord.

I don't give trees a hug, and tell them it will be much better for them when bad ol' sinful man is off the planet.

The only one that doesn't know a tree is fallen in the woods, is the trees. Trees don't mourn the loss of one of their own.

This Christian cosmological utopia is in complete ignorance of Scriptural revelation about the things of the spirit: All spiritual beings, whether God, angels, and men, have minds to think and imagine and hearts to intend.

To be a spirit, and spiritual being, is simply to have a mind.

Men take thinking itself for granted, and so the natural man doesn't even understand that thinking, and knowing oneself, is the gift of God created in His image, and is the light that Christ lightens every man with coming into the world.

Man can be enlightened with lies and evil like the devil, or be enlightened with good and truth like Christ.

But trees, hills, and waters don't think at all. The river Scamander was never a thinking spiritual being and god.

There are people who say the souls of man are their natural bodies, and so preach oblivion when the body dies, as though the soul is stuck dead in the rotted flesh and gleaming white bones in the sun.

That is from JWs. This nature reborn fetish of yours sounds much like it. Do you believe the soul is flesh and blood, and is never separate from the natural body? Are you a JW? They also say Jesus Christ was obliviated for three days and nights with His dead body in the tomb.

I have learned this is the real source teaching for their created christ blasphemy: Doing away with any tormenting hell or LOF for the wicked souls of men. Since they make all men their natural bodies only, that are obliviated when dead, without spirit, mind, thought, nor feeling of affection, then their can be nothing about from the bones, and bones don't laugh nor cry.

And since Jesus Christ was a man in the flesh, then He too must be only another created soul on earth, since God 'cannot die'.

If the man and soul of Jesus was indeed in hell preaching by the Spirit, while His dead body was in the tomb, then that blows away their whole constructed fantasy of doing away with torment in hell and LOF for wicked unrepented souls.

They really don't care about Jesus and their created christ at all, which is just a puppet of God for them. So long as Jesus Christ is not Lord and God, then that's all that matters to them.

All their worship and love and care and hopes and fantasy dreams, is about their own little lord jehovah.

And they still keep trying to find his name in the NT, after the Lord God of Israel is named Jesus in the flesh. They think their jehovah is hiding out and sneaking around somewhere in the word Halleluiah,

Are you a JW afterall?

 

[WPM]

The earth will not be born. The old earth will be burned up with the old heaven, with all celestial and terrestrial elements dissolved.

The new heaven and earth are created new, just as this one. There is no recycling of heaven and earth, which is created exactly as God desires. There's nothing good nor evil about nature.

The second coming is all-consummating and ushers in the complete end of all things old, temporal, sinful and corrupt. Jesus’ return introduces the beginning of all things new, eternal, righteous and God-glorifying. Christ says of His climactic coming, "the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new” (Revelation 21:5).

The Lord’s return witnesses the total destruction of the world/wicked and a general resurrection / judgment. The new eternal state is ushered in by the conflagration at Christ’s coming (2 Peter 3:10-11) and sees the replacement of this corrupt sin-cursed world with a eternally righteous new earth (2 Peter 3:13).

The link between the creature and creation is unquestionable. When man fell then all creation experienced the consequences and fell with him. Genesis 3:17-19 confirms this, when God tells Adam, “Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee.”

Equally, when man is finally glorified at Christ’s coming, being immediately and eternally freed from the “bondage of corruption” then all creation similarly parallels him. It is then that He will destroy this swiftly decaying arrangement and replace it with a new economy.

We believe that both the wicked (in total) and the righteous (in total) are raised and judged at the second coming and that each receives their eternal destiny at that time. The ark door is finally closed. At His coming, Christ finally and eternally destroys the curse by removing every semblance of the bondage of corruption from creation. The fiery conflagration regenerates this earth and restores it to it pristine pre-fall state. It is cleansed of every impurity and renewed to a glorified state. This current earth will experience the same deliverance from the curse that the elect do upon His return. The earth will be changed in a similar way that our corrupt mortal bodies will. This corruptible earth will indeed put on incorruption.

The new earth ushers in the eternal state. Romans 8 tells us it is free from the bondage of corruption [all the fruit of the fall]. It is for glorified (incorruptible) beings only. 1 Corinthians 15:50 clearly states, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” This reading makes plain, “flesh and blood” or mortal believers cannot inherit a glorified earth that has been purified by fire of every last vestige of the curse. Man in his sinful corruptible state cannot inherit an incorruptible regenerated earth. Nothing could be plainer. The “unrighteous shall not inherit” this “kingdom” (1 Corinthians 6:9).

Revelation 22:3 tells us that when the new heavens and new earth arrive: “there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him.”

Revelation 20:11-15, 21:1-5 and Revelation 22:3 describe the perfect conditions that are introduced when Jesus Christ returns. No one with any sanity could say that such a state exists today. It doesn’t! This only accompanies the glorification of this sin-cursed world, because justice has finally been executed upon sin. It is then and only then that there will be:

· No more dying.
· No more crying.
· No more pain.
· No more sorrow.
· No more curse.

While the elect of God finally enters into eternal bless, the wicked correspondingly experience eternal torment. They are shown to be banished into everlasting punishment.

The second coming is all-consummating and ushers in the complete end of all things old, temporal, sinful and corrupt. His return introduces the beginning of all things new, eternal, righteous and God-glorifying.

The earth is ruled by God, and nature can be tame or tumultuous according to His will, but there is nothing good nor evil about it, but just natural. The same with flesh and blood of any creature on earth.

Christian utopian cosmology is false.

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Heaven and earth never enters into the the spiritual nor earthly kingdom of Christ. The everlasting spiritual kingdom of Christ is only for faithful angels and men that love and obey Him.

During Christ's kingdom rule on earth, the lion will lay down with the lamb, because of Christ's will and good pleasure on earth, neither will man be allowed to make war: all men and women and children will be subjects of the King.

Making the natural things the same as, and akin to the things of the Spirit, is an idealized Christian form of pagan spiritism, with natural things having spirits and minds of their own: it's worship of the creature along with the worship of God, which means instead of God.

When Scripture speaks of the creature and man groaning together, it's speaking of the mortal body and the soul of man, not of man and trees.

When the cedars of Lebanon clap at the coming of the Lord, it's because of the wind in the limbs coming with the Lord, not because the cedars love the Lord.

I don't give trees a hug, and tell them it will be much better for them when bad ol' sinful man is off the planet.

The only one that doesn't know a tree is fallen in the woods, is the trees. Trees don't mourn the loss of one of their own.

This Christian cosmological utopia is in complete ignorance of Scriptural revelation about the things of the spirit: All spiritual beings, whether God, angels, and men, have minds to think and imagine and hearts to intend.

To be a spirit, and spiritual being, is simply to have a mind.

Men take thinking itself for granted, and so the natural man doesn't even understand that thinking, and knowing oneself, is the gift of God created in His image, and is the light that Christ lightens every man with coming into the world.

Man can be enlightened with lies and evil like the devil, or be enlightened with good and truth like Christ.

But trees, hills, and waters don't think at all. The river Scamander was never a thinking spiritual being and god.

There are people who say the souls of man are their natural bodies, and so preach oblivion when the body dies, as though the soul is stuck dead in the rotted flesh and gleaming white bones in the sun.

That is from JWs. This nature reborn fetish of yours sounds much like it. Do you believe the soul is flesh and blood, and is never separate from the natural body? Are you a JW? They also say Jesus Christ was obliviated for three days and nights with His dead body in the tomb.

I have learned this is the real source teaching for their created christ blasphemy: Doing away with any tormenting hell or LOF for the wicked souls of men. Since they make all men their natural bodies only, that are obliviated when dead, without spirit, mind, thought, nor feeling of affection, then their can be nothing about from the bones, and bones don't laugh nor cry.

And since Jesus Christ was a man in the flesh, then He too must be only another created soul on earth, since God 'cannot die'.

If the man and soul of Jesus was indeed in hell preaching by the Spirit, while His dead body was in the tomb, then that blows away their whole constructed fantasy of doing away with torment in hell and LOF for wicked unrepented souls.

They really don't care about Jesus and their created christ at all, which is just a puppet of God for them. So long as Jesus Christ is not Lord and God, then that's all that matters to them.

All their worship and love and care and hopes and fantasy dreams, is about their own little lord jehovah.

And they still keep trying to find his name in the NT, after the Lord God of Israel is named Jesus in the flesh. They think their jehovah is hiding out and sneaking around somewhere in the word Halleluiah,

Are you a JW afterall?

This is all fizz and bubble. No Amil I know believes or teaches this. Ironically it is the JWs that promote your millennial theology along with many of the other cults.

 

[WPM]

The earth will not be born. The old earth will be burned up with the old heaven, with all celestial and terrestrial elements dissolved.

The new heaven and earth are created new, just as this one. There is no recycling of heaven and earth, which is created exactly as God desires. There's nothing good nor evil about nature.

This earth will not be eliminated. It will be regenerated at the coming of Jesus. Multiple Scripture supports this. We see this in Romans 8:19-23, Luke 20:27-36, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and 2 Peter 3:7–13.

Christ is coming back to a perfect glorified regenerated earth to reign forever with the suitably attired glorified saints. But, it will not be sin-cursed, goat-infested, or death-blighted, as Premils argue.

Acts 3:19-21: “the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the the times of restitution [Gr. apokatastasis or reconstitution] of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.”

“The times of refreshing” and “the restitution of all things” expressly coincides with the Lord’s appearing, thus proving the all-consummating nature of that glorious event.

The sense and meaning of the word apocatastasis here is ‘a restoration of things to its first state’ (or ‘to return to its former state’).

Webster's 1828 Dictionary says, “‘Restitution’ means ‘The act of recovering a former state or posture, the putting the world in a holy and happy state’.”

In everyday language it refers to a return to the original place. For example, the return of a ship to its home port; in astronomy it meant the cyclical return of a planet to the point where it was found earlier; in medicine it meant the return of a patient to health.

Whilst the Greek word apokatastasis is only found in Acts 3:21, the root word apokathistemi is found 8 times in Scripture. We see the restorative sense of the word in the story of the man with the withered hand in Matthew 12:13, where it says, “it was restored (apokathistemi) whole, like as the other.”

Likewise, in Mark 8:25 the blind man received his sight it says, “he was restored (apokathistemi), and saw every man clearly.”

This passage is clear in its instruction: “the heaven must receive (or dechomai, or detain)” Jesus Christ “until the times of restitution of all things.”

Jesus isn’t going anywhere until the restoration of fallen creation!

We are clearly looking at a renovation, reconstitution and restoration of creation when Jesus comes, not a complete recreation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is simply not true. The current cursed creation is going to be glorified when Jesus comes. The bondage of corruption is going to be purged from it. Your theology forces you to reject this. This earth is depicted in Scripture as gradually decaying to such a stage that it needs replaced. The surface of this earth is likened unto a well-worn overcoat that needs replaced with a brand-new spotless garment. This is shown to occur at the second coming. Christ is not going to replace the current tattered coat with another decayed coat, as many imagine, with their faulty theology. No! But rather a new perfected garment. Death and decay will soon come to an end. But this does not negate the continued existence of the same the earth. It will be an ongoing trophy of God's glorious regenerational renewal.

Psalm 102:25-27 predicts, “Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.”

Isaiah 51:6 also says, “Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.”

Hebrews 1:10-12 tells us, “Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish (apollumi); but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old (palaioo) as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed (allasso): but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail."

These passages confirm the reality of the ongoing existence of the bondage of corruption at the moment. This will all change when Jesus comes. Comparing this earth to a fading and deteriorating garment, the writer tells us that the current heavens and earth is waxing old. The Greek word employed here for “wax old” is palaioo which means worn out, decaying or to declare obsolete.

The second coming is all-consummating and ushers in the complete end of all things old/temporal and wicked and introduces the beginning of all things new/eternal and righteous. The second coming witnesses the total destruction of the world/wicked and a general resurrection/judgement. The wicked and the righteous are judged in total and that each receives their eternal destiny at that time. The conflagration that occurs here coincides with the replacement of this corrupt sin-cursed world with a new earth and an eternally righteous state.

This change is evidently seismic. It is so drastic that it will be as if the earth was annihilated and replaced by another earth. That is because the destructive and debilitating curse of corruption is finally and eternally purged by fire from the globe. Like the repentant sinner, this earth has received its emersion in water, it is now awaiting its baptism of fire.

Just as we have become a new creation in Christ, yet we remain the self-same entity, so it is with this current earth when He appears. 2 Corinthians 5:17 teaches: “if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

It would have been great if this had meant that my old nature was completely eliminated and that I had become completely brand new, although, in a spiritual sense I did – even though my physical appearance remained exactly the same. This did not mean that the core “us” did not continue. It did! But our spiritual outward covering was forever changed. We are now clothed with His perfect righteousness. That will be realized in all it literal and physical fullness at the second coming. This is a strong reason to think the earth is going to undergo similar.

The Greek is fairly strong and would suggest a destruction of the old corruptible state of fallen creation and an introduction of the new eternal state. This does not necessarily mean that this earth will disappear; it could mean that through fiery regeneration this present earth will be brought back to its former condition. In this cosmic renewal, everything that is outside of God and possesses any vestige of the fall will be either burnt up or changed.

Every vestige of the fall is removed when Christ comes – never to arise again. A new earth will come-forth that is totally renewed and eternally free of corruption. When man fell all creation fell with him, when man is glorified, all of creation will be glorified with him. Creation is delivered from the curse by the fiery conflagration that regenerates this current earth and renews it to the state it was before the fall - free from, sin, wickedness, the wicked, death and wars (the awful plagues that continue to blight the Premil millennium).

Well said. Whenever I see someone try to claim that the earth will be completely annihilated and replaced by an entirely new earth I bring up the scripture that says that the meek will inherit the earth. Surely, it's not saying that the meek will inherit the earth only for a temporary amount of time! That would be a bummer. No, we will inherit the (new) earth for eternity after it is renewed.

We can look at this similar to our bodies. Our bodies die but they are not completely annihilated. Even when they are cremated they still exist as dust. When Christ returns at the last trumpet the bodies of the dead in Christ will not be annihilated and replaced by entirely different bodies, but rather will be "changed" into spiritual, immortal bodies (1 Cor 15). The heavens and earth will be changed (renewed), not annihilated and replaced and the same is true for our bodies.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is all fizz and bubble. No Amil I know believes or teaches this. Ironically it is the JWs that promote your millennial theology along with many of the other cults.

LOL. He didn't think that one through, did he.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The earth will not be born. The old earth will be burned up with the old heaven, with all celestial and terrestrial elements dissolved.

The new heaven and earth are created new, just as this one. There is no recycling of heaven and earth, which is created exactly as God desires. There's nothing good nor evil about nature.

So, do you believe that when the meek inherit the earth they will only inherit it for a temporary period of time instead of for eternity?

 

[shilohsfoal]

In Zech 14, there is are living waters going out of Jerusalem, to become two rivers flowing into two different seas, one of which is the Dead Sea to be healed in Ezek 47:

And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Some teach that these living waters are the river of water of life on the new earth:

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

That pure river does not go out of Jerusalem, nor from Jerusalem, but only from the throne of God and the Lamb onto the street of the New Jerusalem.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

There is no sea on the new earth, especially not two seas, where one of them is 'recreated' dead, and in need of healing from living waters.

The river of water of life on the new earth, cannot possibly be the living waters during Christ's earthly reign, that go out of Jeruslaem and flow into two seas.

There is always one or two Scriptures, that plainly expose all false doctrine, so that those Scriptures are plainly contradicted while teaching them.

I've often wondered why there is no sea on the new earth, and for now we at least sea one reason: God will have no sea on the new earth, nor any waters flowing out of New Jerusalem, just to make sure no one can teach the lie, that He will not being ruling on this earth for a thousand years.

The living waters of Zech 14 and Ezek 47 during Christ's earthly reign, are but a foreshadowing of the river of water of life in the street of New Jerusalem on the new earth.

That has no sea, nor seas, and especially not any dead sea in need of healing.

You should read the entire Bible before claiming there is no sea.
I boldened the dead sea for you below.I also highlighted where the trees grow on either side of the river who's leaves are for healing.I also followed it up with revelation 22:1-2 so you will know what river Ezekiel is talking about.

Ezekiel 49
47 The man brought me back to the entrance to the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar. 2 He then brought me out through the north gate and led me around the outside to the outer gate facing east, and the water was trickling from the south side.

3 As the man went eastward with a measuring line in his hand, he measured off a thousand cubits[a] and then led me through water that was ankle-deep. 4 He measured off another thousand cubits and led me through water that was knee-deep. He measured off another thousand and led me through water that was up to the waist. 5 He measured off another thousand, but now it was a river that I could not cross, because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in—a river that no one could cross. 6 He asked me, “Son of man, do you see this?”

Then he led me back to the bank of the river. 7 When I arrived there, I saw a great number of trees on each side of the river. 8 He said to me, “This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, where it enters the Dead Sea. When it empties into the sea, the salty water there becomes fresh. 9 Swarms of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live. 10 Fishermen will stand along the shore; from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds—like the fish of the Mediterranean Sea. 11 But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they will be left for salt. 12 Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”


revelation 22:1-2
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.


I hope to go bass fishing in the dead sea seeing it will be full of fish.

 

[WPM]

So, do you believe that when the meek inherit the earth they will only inherit it for a temporary period of time instead of for eternity?

Also Job. He prophesied that the Lord would stand on this earth at the end of the age. Job 19:25-26: “For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God.”

Job prophesied that the Lord would stand on this earth at the end of the age. There is no other earth than this present one that Job would have been familiar with. Job is looking forward to the day that he will be devoid of corruption and will stand upon a new glorified earth resplendent in his new glorified body. The fact he says “the earth” tells us that this current earth will survive albeit in a regenerated earth fitted for glorified saints.

Job outlines a great mystery, that whilst worms in the grave would eat the body that he then possessed, he would still see the Lord again in the flesh at the latter day. Evidently, as the New Testament explains it, he would be clothed with a new body – an incorruptible one. The writer confirms when this will happen: “he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth.” Job would rise at “the last day” with all the dead in Christ. This fits in with many other passages talking about “the last day” (singular).

 

[robert derrick]

This is simply not true. The current cursed creation is going to be glorified when Jesus comes. The bondage of corruption is going to be purged from it. Your theology forces you to reject this.

Your theology wants to think this.

The more natural thinking you put into spiritual things of Scripture, shows you are like the JW's. Are you JW?

Do you say the soul of man is only the natural body, and we are never separate from it, including when the body goes to the dust?

This earth is depicted in Scripture as gradually decaying to such a stage that it needs replaced.

The all natural things on the earth are naturally mortal, and decay into the earth from which it comes.

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

There earth is not spirit, nor has any spirit, nor does it die, because it doesn't live nor have life,, but only living things therein and on.

The creation and creature you are thinking of, is our naturally mortal bodies, which the saints will one day have become immortal incorruptible spiritual bodies, in the likeness of Jesus' resurrected body see in Rev 1.

The surface of this earth is likened unto a well-worn overcoat that needs replaced with a brand-new spotless garment. This is shown to occur at the second coming. Christ is not going to replace the current tattered coat with another decayed coat, as many imagine, with their faulty theology.

True. And anyone that thinks the earth is getting a new coat someday, is the natural man applying natural theology to Scripture and spiritual things of God.

Psalm 102:25-27 predicts, “Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end.”

There is nothing here about how changed, and what changed into, which is shown in 2 Peter 3 and Rev 20.

They will be changed from what they are now, to burned up and dissolved elements later, when Christ's thousand years reigning on earth are expired, and then they flee from the face of God on the throne.

You have your own theology already applied to OT prophecy, and then reject the fulfilled interpretation of it in NT prophecy.

These passages confirm the reality of the ongoing existence of the bondage of corruption at the moment. This will all change when Jesus comes. Comparing this earth to a fading and deteriorating garment, the writer tells us that the current heavens and earth is waxing old. The Greek word employed here for “wax old” is palaioo which means worn out, decaying or to declare obsolete.

Correct. The old burnt up heaven and earth, will pass from sight and mind, and become obsolete to God and all nations on the new earth.

It will no longer matter to them.

The second coming is all-consummating and ushers in the complete end of all things old/temporal and wicked and introduces the beginning of all things new/eternal and righteous.

True the consummation of the virgin bride will be with the Lord in the air, and the King's reign on earth will begin anew, with only the natural sheep judged worthy to enter into His earthly kingdom

The second coming witnesses the total destruction of the world/wicked and a general resurrection/judgement. The wicked and the righteous are judged in total and that each receives their eternal destiny at that time.

Natural sheep and goats are judged, to see who is worthy of being ruled by the Lord on earth.

The conflagration that occurs here coincides with the replacement of this corrupt sin-cursed world with a new earth and an eternally righteous state.

No natural creation of God is righteous nor evil, because only spiritual beings with hearts and minds to think and judge, can do righteousness or evil.

Natural minded theology fails to make difference between the natural and the spiritual, such as saying that souls of men are their natural bodies, and are never separated from them.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

There will be righteousness dwelling therein, because there will be God and the Lamb and His glorified saints dwelling therein, which is in the New Jerusalem on the new earth, that the wicked are forbidden to enter.

Righteousness now dwells on earth, because Christ dwells within His people on earth, but righteousness does not dwell within this heaven and earth, because God still sits on His throne in heaven outside of this created world, and not on earth Himself among men.

There's nothing righteous nor evil in the dust and flesh of this earth, no more than there will be in the dust and flesh on the new earth.

There is nothing alive in dirt, but only life growing from it, or living within it, and there is nothing alive in flesh and blood, other than the spirit living therein.

The house of the righteous is not a righteous house, but is a righteous man dwelling therein.

This change is evidently seismic. It is so drastic that it will be as if the earth was annihilated and replaced by another earth. \

'As if' is for imagination, not truth of Scripture.

The old earth and heaven will melt by fire, flee from the face of God, and pass away out of sight and mind from God, His people, and the nations dwelling on the new earth.

That is because the destructive and debilitating curse of corruption is finally and eternally purged by fire from the globe.

The earth is not cursed itself. No rock nor water nor air of the earth is cursed: It's just natural.

When the ground is cursed by God for sake of the sinner, it means God is not allowing it to bring forth life, even when sown with seed.

So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Blessing or cursing has nothing to do with the natural creation of God, but what God does with it. The ground does not know whether it is being a blessing or cursing to living things.

There will still be sinners in the earthly reign of Christ, and God will curse the ground of the sinful nation not keeping the feast of tabernacles, by not allowing any rain on their land. The ground itself neither knows nor cares.

Like the repentant sinner, this earth has received its emersion in water, it is now awaiting its baptism of fire.

No planet, nor star, nor asteroid is like a person.

This natural theology of an earthly being, is akin to pagan spiritism of the stars and the earth, and rivers, and trees...

And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

Just as we have become a new creation in Christ, yet we remain the self-same entity, so it is with this current earth when He appears. 2 Corinthians 5:17 teaches: “if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”

If any man be in Christ Jesus, not any earth or moon or star.

 

[robert derrick]

It would have been great if this had meant that my old nature was completely eliminated and that I had become completely brand new, although, in a spiritual sense I did – even though my physical appearance remained exactly the same. This did not mean that the core “us” did not continue. It did!

That core being our soul and spirit, heart and mind, which no planet nor moon nor star nor tree has.

But our spiritual outward covering was forever changed. We are now clothed with His perfect righteousness. That will be realized in all it literal and physical fullness at the second coming.

I.e. the bodily resurrection and perfecting of the spirit and mind, whose hearts and souls remain pure, with life in the body blameless unto the end of this life on earth.

Even as the earth, the body is not blamed for anything man does with it.

Saying the earth is a being to be redeemed, is akin to the Christian error of saying the body is born with sin nature, and the deeds of the body is to be blamed on the body, as well as the soul doing the deeds with the body.

And OSAS doubles down in folly, by then saying only the body is blamed for it's deeds, after the soul is born again.

And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.

Created nature itself is neither blameless nor to blamed. A rock is a rock is a rock. Why? Because God made it a rock. Rocks do what rocks do, because they are rocks, not because they like to do rocky things.

When the disciples declared the waves and the sea obeyed the Lord, it was not because the waves and the sea heard the Lord and obeyed Him: the waves and the sea do not have spirit with eyes to see and ears to hear and obey, no more than when a ship turns by the captain's will:

Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.

This planet is not groaning as a Gaia, waiting to be resurrected.

This is a strong reason to think the earth is going to undergo similar.

It's called a zealous over-worked imagination.

The Greek is fairly strong and would suggest a destruction of the old corruptible state of fallen creation and an introduction of the new eternal state.

Once again, a state of people can be good or evil, but not the ground they walk on.

I know it's incredible, that these things need to be reminded of, but a house is only as good as the carpenter, but no carpenter puts good or evil spirit into it, and neither does God put any spirit into any planet, moon, or star.

This does not necessarily mean that this earth will disappear; it could mean that through fiery regeneration this present earth will be brought back to its former condition.

Once again, 'could mean' is imagination only.

It will be melted and flee from the face of God, and stay far way forever, just as the souls of the unrepentant wicked:

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

There will be a black darkness out of sight and mind of God, the Lamb, and all men on the new earth. It will be a place of black darkness, reserved as punishment for the wicked angels and souls of men, that are confined with the old melted heaven and earth.

They will have the torment of eternal separation from God, and they know it.

In this cosmic renewal, everything that is outside of God and possesses any vestige of the fall will be either burnt up or changed.

Only spirits of angels, and souls of men fall into temptation and sin.

Every vestige of the fall is removed when Christ comes – never to arise again. A new earth will come-forth that is totally renewed and eternally free of corruption.

If you begin to also teach you have heard the earth moaning and groaning, then I think that's when it's time to take a break.

Houses may creak, but it's not from any spirit in the wood or stone.

When man fell all creation fell with him, when man is glorified, all of creation will be glorified with him.

So, there's worshipping the stars as they are, and then there will be worshipping the glorified stars that shall be.

Seriously, this is Christian-style pagan spiritism.

Creation is delivered from the curse by the fiery conflagration that regenerates this current earth and renews it to the state it was before the fall - free from, sin, wickedness, the wicked, death and wars (the awful plagues that continue to blight the Premil millennium).

Only living beings need healing, not Gaia earth.

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

And the nations will still need healing on the new earth, which is not Gaia reborn and resurrected from the dead.

 

[WPM]

Your theology wants to think this.

The more natural thinking you put into spiritual things of Scripture, shows you are like the JW's. Are you JW?

Do you say the soul of man is only the natural body, and we are never separate from it, including when the body goes to the dust?



The all natural things on the earth are naturally mortal, and decay into the earth from which it comes.

And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

There earth is not spirit, nor has any spirit, nor does it die, because it doesn't live nor have life,, but only living things therein and on.

The creation and creature you are thinking of, is our naturally mortal bodies, which the saints will one day have become immortal incorruptible spiritual bodies, in the likeness of Jesus' resurrected body see in Rev 1.


True. And anyone that thinks the earth is getting a new coat someday, is the natural man applying natural theology to Scripture and spiritual things of God.



There is nothing here about how changed, and what changed into, which is shown in 2 Peter 3 and Rev 20.

They will be changed from what they are now, to burned up and dissolved elements later, when Christ's thousand years reigning on earth are expired, and then they flee from the face of God on the throne.

You have your own theology already applied to OT prophecy, and then reject the fulfilled interpretation of it in NT prophecy.




Correct. The old burnt up heaven and earth, will pass from sight and mind, and become obsolete to God and all nations on the new earth.

It will no longer matter to them.



True the consummation of the virgin bride will be with the Lord in the air, and the King's reign on earth will begin anew, with only the natural sheep judged worthy to enter into His earthly kingdom



Natural sheep and goats are judged, to see who is worthy of being ruled by the Lord on earth.



No natural creation of God is righteous nor evil, because only spiritual beings with hearts and minds to think and judge, can do righteousness or evil.

Natural minded theology fails to make difference between the natural and the spiritual, such as saying that souls of men are their natural bodies, and are never separated from them.

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

There will be righteousness dwelling therein, because there will be God and the Lamb and His glorified saints dwelling therein, which is in the New Jerusalem on the new earth, that the wicked are forbidden to enter.

Righteousness now dwells on earth, because Christ dwells within His people on earth, but righteousness does not dwell within this heaven and earth, because God still sits on His throne in heaven outside of this created world, and not on earth Himself among men.

There's nothing righteous nor evil in the dust and flesh of this earth, no more than there will be in the dust and flesh on the new earth.

There is nothing alive in dirt, but only life growing from it, or living within it, and there is nothing alive in flesh and blood, other than the spirit living therein.

The house of the righteous is not a righteous house, but is a righteous man dwelling therein.


'As if' is for imagination, not truth of Scripture.

The old earth and heaven will melt by fire, flee from the face of God, and pass away out of sight and mind from God, His people, and the nations dwelling on the new earth.



The earth is not cursed itself. No rock nor water nor air of the earth is cursed: It's just natural.

When the ground is cursed by God for sake of the sinner, it means God is not allowing it to bring forth life, even when sown with seed.

So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Blessing or cursing has nothing to do with the natural creation of God, but what God does with it. The ground does not know whether it is being a blessing or cursing to living things.

There will still be sinners in the earthly reign of Christ, and God will curse the ground of the sinful nation not keeping the feast of tabernacles, by not allowing any rain on their land. The ground itself neither knows nor cares.


No planet, nor star, nor asteroid is like a person.

This natural theology of an earthly being, is akin to pagan spiritism of the stars and the earth, and rivers, and trees...

And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.



If any man be in Christ Jesus, not any earth or moon or star.

This all exposes Premil which reintroduces another corrupt earth like our current one at the second coming, that is sin-curse goat-infested death-blighted.

Scripture tells us that we are coming back to earth, but I believe it will be a regenerated earth (Malachi 4:1-3, I Corinthians 15:50, 2 Peter 3). It will be an earth totally purged of all corruption. The new heavens and a new earth (in whatever form God chooses) will appear at the coming of Christ. It will involve (at very least) the burning up of the crust of our current earth. This current earth will be totally changed / regenerated – making it a new curse-free environment. The earth will be restored to its previous pristine condition. These passages would sway me towards the position that this earth will remain forever – only in a new condition.

Job prophesied that the Lord would stand on this earth at the end of the age. Job 19:25-26: “For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God.” There is no other earth than this present one that Job would have been familiar with.

Psalm 37:9-11 says, “For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.”

Psalm 37:22 says, “For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.”

Psalm 25:12-13 says: “What man is he that feareth the LORD? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose. His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.”

Christ confirmed this in Matthew 5:5 saying, “Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.”

It wouldn't be much of an inheritance if the meek had no earth to inherit. What is more, God keeps His Word. He does not break His promise. The reason this will be fulfilled is because the world last forever, albeit in a perfected condition.

It does not make sense to teach that this earth will be completely annihilated and replaced by an entirely separate new earth. that would contradict multiple Scriptures which indicate that the earth will last forever.

Another strong reason to believe that this current earth will be regenerated is the fact that different Old Testament Scriptures tell us that this earth will last forever. These passages would suggest the continuation of this earth in some form.

Ecclesiastes 1:4 says, “the earth abideth forever.”

Psalm 78:69 says, “the earth which he hath established forever.”

Psalm 93:1b says, “The world also is established, that it cannot be moved.”

Psalm 96:10 says, “the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved.”

Psalm 104:5 says, “Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed forever.”

This literally means “So that it will not totter forever and ever." The word totter means, to refrain from moving out of place.

 

[robert derrick]

You should read the entire Bible before claiming there is no sea.

Don't know what you are talking about.

Are you saying there will be a sea on the new earth?

Then he led me back to the bank of the river. 7 When I arrived there, I saw a great number of trees on each side of the river. 8 He said to me, “This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, where it enters the Dead Sea. When it empties into the sea, the salty water there becomes fresh. 9 Swarms of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live. 10 Fishermen will stand along the shore; from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds—like the fish of the Mediterranean Sea. 11 But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they will be left for salt. 12 Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”

True, of course. Just as Scripture says: A river of living waters on this earth, that heals other waters, such as the Dead Sea, and provides leaves for healing.

revelation 22:1-2
Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

True. The river of life from the throne of God through the streets of new Jerusalem. With leaves for healing of nations.

It is not from a mount split into a valley, nor flow out of the city, into any seas, since there are none on the new earth.

This also gives occasion for another proof:

The river to the sea is from the house of God, at the right side of the altar.

There is no temple, and especially no altar in New Jerusalem.

The living river on the new earth flows from the throne of God and the Lamb, not from the right side of an altar.

 

[WPM]

The old one in black darkness forever, out of sight and mind of them on the new earth.


While fleeing from sight of God.

You avoid so much Scripture above that refutes your claims. Hopefully you are going to address them. They show how your claims are unbiblical.

 

[robert derrick]

So, do you believe that when the meek inherit the earth they will only inherit it for a temporary period of time instead of for eternity?

Not either or, but both.

Any meek on this earth during His reign, will need to be found written in the Lamb's book of life, in order to inherit the new earth.

Just as we today.

 

[robert derrick]

You avoid so much Scripture above that refutes your claims. Hopefully you are going to address them. They show how your claims are unbiblical.

The natural theology of the earth being now as a cursed sinner, and being born anew as a righteous saint, is pagan spiritism with a Christian twist.

Elk don't know how many feet horses have, and rocks don't know nothing.

Only spiritual beings of angels and men have hearts and minds to do good or evil, and so be judged righteous or cursed by God.

The only creature groaning with the righteous saints, are our physical bodies awaiting resurrection from the dead, or changed alive to immortality.

Trees don't need hugs, because they are groaning for their resurrection. Neither does the dust of the earth.

 

[WPM]

The natural theology of the earth being now as a cursed sinner, and being born anew as a righteous saint, is pagan spiritism with a Christian twist.

Elk don't know how many feet horses have, and rocks don't know nothing.

Only spiritual beings of angels and men have hearts and minds to do good or evil, and so be judged righteous or cursed by God.

The only creature groaning with the righteous saints, are our physical bodies awaiting resurrection from the dead, or changed alive to immortality.

Trees don't need hugs, because they are groaning for their resurrection. Neither does the dust of the earth.

Who said they did? What does it matter? You are totally sidetracking from thee issue into irrelevancies and futility. Why?

1. Is this earth cursed?
2. Is creation fallen?
3. Does everything around us die and decay since the fall of Adam?