Being Banned from so called Christian Foruns

[FollowHim]

Being banned from a so called Christian Forum doesn't bother me so much. Although I would like to tell those who do these things how misled they are. Jesus himself reminds us that the Lost and Sinners of the world are those who need his teaching more than the Found. To be Banned from these Forums who claim to be Christian doesn't help the lost at all. I myself have been Banned from several only because of what I believe the Bible really says. I ask this question would Jesus not allow me to give my opinion. Many Atheist are Banned from these forums. Would Jesus turn away from them. I think not but would do as he does which is to save. You will never get one of these lost soles to believe by sending them away. I compare these so called Christians who run these forums to those who killed Jesus. He didn't match up for them, he didn't teach there belief, his teachings were truth, and they couldn't have Him spreading it all around, so they killed Him. I'm thankful that so far here on this Forum I am able to speak my belief. It may not be one you agree with but we can freely discuss and maybe change one anothers mind.

I actually agree that suspension for a time makes more sense with warnings regarding behaviour.
It can often become a competition of who can get who banned, when they are just expressing a point of view, which is any other walk of life people would note and then ignore.

The difficulty in forums is also trolls.
How do you separate out from trolls and people who legitimately express some feelings?

On one site I saw an individual get worked up about an issue and express it to someone who is very provocative.
What this says to everyone, provoke and win, stay silent and let the people who sail close dominate.

So forums can become dominated by certain personalities and to disagree is to be ganged up on and haranged.
Ironically this can become like a hobby cage fight. Some voluntarily get removed to stop going back.

Some also love needling, to see what works. If you are bored it can be fun.
Others are so pompous only they know the right opinion, and you must bow the knee to their wisdom. Little do they realise wisdom is tested by fire of debate and scrutiny. But that would mean there tasty conclusions would fry, so better bully ones way into domination.

I was stupid, and I mean stupid, to get between a victim and the bully. Tends to get oneself in a lot of hassel for no point, or even worse the site owner siding with the bully. The most powerful approach is what Jesus did. Attack positions not people. The people decide which position they are for themselves. God bless you

 

[Paul Christensen]

I used to think the same

then I studied Noah’s flood,

I am no longer a gap theorist, I believe the flood answers about all questions science asks. And that God created the heavens and earth (the physical world) for his creation, mankind, and this created it in an aged state

That is my preferred view. But I proposed the gap theory to one Christian member to be less contentious due to his belief in evolution. I guess there is an element to Paul's attitude on non-essential matters, to be "all things to all men." But where the essential foundations of the gospel are concerned, I am totally adamant and non-compromising.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Amen I agree. Not a Slavic issue and love to discuss it

 

[Giuliano]

I am totally opposed to Islam because it is a violent, murderous religion which is totally committed to killing all Jews and Christians.

I've read the Quran. That simply is not true. Jews and Christians are called "people of the book" and the Quran says they should be treated with respect and granted religious freedom.

All we have to do is read history and current events to see that quite clearly.

What? I seem to remember it was mosques being bombed in New Zealand. . . . Are you sure you got this straight?

Spain was quite peaceful when the Muslims ran it. Jews and Christians were tolerated. Indeed the Jews got rich. When Christian rulers drove the Muslim rulers out, the banned Islam and Judaism and created the Spanish Inquisition.

In fact, the Koran says that no Muslim will be resurrected on the last day until every single Jew is dead.

My copy of the Quran doesn't say that. None of the Muslims I ever met believed that. It's very obvious to me you haven't read the Quran and are repeating something someone else told you to scare you about Muslims.

I urge you (and everyone else in New Zealand) to be more cautious. The more Christians say things that aren't true about Muslims, the more hate that will inspire in Muslims who feel Christians hate them and lie about them. They may give up trying to live in peace with Christians.

Bombing mosques certainly is a bad idea. If you really want to create problems with Muslims and turn them into people who hate Christians, bombing mosques might work. Indeed the later bomb attacks in Sri Lanka were linked to the attack on the mosque in Christchurch. ISIS used the attack on the mosque as propaganda, painting Christians as hateful.

Story here: Sri Lanka bomb attacks were revenge for New Zealand mosque killings: Minister

 

[Giuliano]

Actually, having another look at verses 1 and 2 of Genesis 1, I note that the first verse says that "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". But He doesn't say exactly how He did it. Then in verse 2 He says that the earth is formless and void. Some have put forward the "gap theory" which could support the universe being formed through a process of construction over billions of years. Because God exists out of time, He could have constructed the universe in as much time as He wished, because the 24 hour day had not being installed yet.

We see the initial creation being done "before" the first day.

Although I don't believe in evolution by chance, starting with the Big Bang theory, I can accept construction of the universe taking the equivalent of Billions of our years, because God is not limited by time and can take as much time as He wants to construct and set the universe into motion.

It is also interesting that He did not say, "Let there be light" until after verse 2, so it is conceivable that the universe , the stars, sun and moon were all in place when He said that, and upon His command, they all lit up.

Read it again.

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

You probably read that in physical terms. I don't. You have a problem with how there could be light with days and nights before there was a sun. I don't. You probably have a problem with the earth being created before day 1 but appearing on day 3.

Then, once the sun was lit up and the 24 hour days started, then He used the first six 24 hour days to form the earth and everything in it. I don't go along with Darwin's theory that man happened by an evolutionary process. If that was true, we would have evidence of the transitional lifeforms that lead up to humans as we know them today. I firmly believe that God took a lump of clay, formed it into a human being and breathed life into him. God is God and is all-powerful and has the ability to do that.

I think that the gap theory is the best way of giving some sort of reasonable explanation of how scientific carbon dating can be consistent with the creation of the universe according to what we see in Genesis 1. We know that God did not design the Bible as a comprehensive scientific text book on the cosmos or geology, but what is written is accurate in what is actually says, and we have to make educated guesses in how we are to fill in the gaps where the Bible is silent.

What kind of "man" was Adam? Why did Jesus say the "Son of Man" (Ben Adam) came down from Heaven and was in Heaven?

Why is the Holy City said to have light without needing the sun or moon? That reminds me of the problem in Genesis when light existed before the sun and moon were placed in the firmament.

Was Eden physical or spiritual? One clue may be in Revelation that tells us the Tree of Life is in the midst of paradise (garden). Another clue is how a pure river comes from the throne of God. Compare that to Genesis that describes a river that comes from one source and then divides into four rivers. How could that be a physical river? There is no such river on the whole earth. Physical rivers start off as small streams and merge to become rivers. They become larger and larger. The description in Genesis should tell us it's not a physical river.

 

[Paul Christensen]

I've read the Quran. That simply is not true. Jews and Christians are called "people of the book" and the Quran says they should be treated with respect and granted religious freedom.
What? I seem to remember it was mosques being bombed in New Zealand. . . . Are you sure you got this straight?

Spain was quite peaceful when the Muslims ran it. Jews and Christians were tolerated. Indeed the Jews got rich. When Christian rulers drove the Muslim rulers out, the banned Islam and Judaism and created the Spanish Inquisition.

My copy of the Quran doesn't say that. None of the Muslims I ever met believed that. It's very obvious to me you haven't read the Quran and are repeating something someone else told you to scare you about Muslims.

I urge you (and everyone else in New Zealand) to be more cautious. The more Christians say things that aren't true about Muslims, the more hate that will inspire in Muslims who feel Christians hate them and lie about them. They may give up trying to live in peace with Christians.

Bombing mosques certainly is a bad idea. If you really want to create problems with Muslims and turn them into people who hate Christians, bombing mosques might work. Indeed the later bomb attacks in Sri Lanka were linked to the attack on the mosque in Christchurch. ISIS used the attack on the mosque as propaganda, painting Christians as hateful.

Story here: Sri Lanka bomb attacks were revenge for New Zealand mosque killings: Minister

I live in Christchurch and that mosque was just 10 minutes drive from my home. And actually it was not a Christian who attacked the mosque, it was a white supremacist atheist. There is sort of a difference.

Perhaps, like some who pick bits out of the Bible to suit their opinion, the same is being done with the Koran and the bits that Muhammad wrote about getting rid of Jews and Christians are safely ignored in the interests of peaceful co-existence between liberal, nominal professors of Christianity and Muslims who, like the pope, say, "We are all brothers and worship the same God."

I do say that the Muslims I have met have been very peaceful, friendly and tolerant people and that might be the case with the rank and file. As with any branch of religion, we have the extremists at each end of the spectrum, and the traditional church before and during the Reformation had its dark periods as well, killing more dissenters than who were killed during the Roman persecution of the early church.

So, not every professing Muslim is an extremist who purpose is to kill everyone who does not convert to Islam, in the same way that not every professing Christian would burn at the stake anyone who refuses to accept its authority. If you think I am Catholic bashing in saying that, I won't hesitate in saying that Calvin had people burned at the stake as well, and the established Church of England had dissenters imprisoned during the 16th and 17th Centuries, as well as the extreme Puritans of New England hanged dissenters and drowned innocent women accused of witchcraft.

 

[Ezra]

Being banned from a so called Christian Forum

been there done that. i disagreed with the owner on water baptism. he sent me priv message said i better straighten . i fired back bam banned he is a control freak . white collar GM worker

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I live in Christchurch and that mosque was just 10 minutes drive from my home. And actually it was not a Christian who attacked the mosque, it was a white supremacist atheist. There is sort of a difference.

Perhaps, like some who pick bits out of the Bible to suit their opinion, the same is being done with the Koran and the bits that Muhammad wrote about getting rid of Jews and Christians are safely ignored in the interests of peaceful co-existence between liberal, nominal professors of Christianity and Muslims who, like the pope, say, "We are all brothers and worship the same God."

I do say that the Muslims I have met have been very peaceful, friendly and tolerant people and that might be the case with the rank and file. As with any branch of religion, we have the extremists at each end of the spectrum, and the traditional church before and during the Reformation had its dark periods as well, killing more dissenters than who were killed during the Roman persecution of the early church.

So, not every professing Muslim is an extremist who purpose is to kill everyone who does not convert to Islam, in the same way that not every professing Christian would burn at the stake anyone who refuses to accept its authority. If you think I am Catholic bashing in saying that, I won't hesitate in saying that Calvin had people burned at the stake as well, and the established Church of England had dissenters imprisoned during the 16th and 17th Centuries, as well as the extreme Puritans of New England hanged dissenters and drowned innocent women accused of witchcraft.

That dude that shoot them people was of a Jewish family line in fact, Tarrant is a Jewish name. he was a radical Socialist new age greenie type that lost the plot and went off the rails. or he was planted to do such for the government, just like that idiot in Tasmania and the moron in Sydney that was running loose with a criminal list of madness as long as your arm and more, the MP Turnbull should of been sacked on the spot for letting that moron stay in Australia, but fact is that the media did not publish all this morons history or the people would of flipped out and demanded that grub of a PM Turnbull kicked out.
They let that moron on the loose in fact. not to mention how many more like that are about, if that idiot could get away with what he did before all this, how many more are there with a list like so. I feel that such as him are backed up by other Islamic legal aid totally, it must of been, because if he did not have such backing he would of been deported long before.
A lot of Islamic people I know are fine hard working and honest people and they are nothing like such morons that runabout as radical as such as that type of moron.

 

[Stumpmaster]

What? I seem to remember it was mosques being bombed in New Zealand

No mosques were bombed. One person with an automatic firearm killed 51 people.

Subject: Christchurch Mosque Shootings
Two consecutive terrorist shooting attacks occurred at mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, during Friday Prayer on 15 March 2019.[7] The attacks began at the Al Noor Mosque in the suburb of Riccarton at 1:40 p.m. and continued at Linwood Islamic Centre at about 1:55 p.m.[8][9][10][11] The gunman live-streamed the first attack on Facebook.[12]

The attacks killed 51 people[13][14] and injured 49.[3] Brenton Tarrant, a 28-year-old man from Grafton, New South Wales, Australia, described in media reports as a white supremacist and part of the alt-right, was arrested and initially charged with one murder.[15][16][17][18] Tarrant was later charged with 51 murders, 40 attempted murders, and engaging in a terrorist act; he pleaded not guilty to all charges, with the trial expected to start on 2 June 2020.[19][20]

 

[Giuliano]

No mosques were bombed. One person with an automatic firearm killed 51 people.

Thanks for that correction. I wonder how I got that wrong. . . . I remember now that the Prime Minister tightened up the gun laws.

 

[Giuliano]

I live in Christchurch and that mosque was just 10 minutes drive from my home. And actually it was not a Christian who attacked the mosque, it was a white supremacist atheist. There is sort of a difference.

Perhaps, like some who pick bits out of the Bible to suit their opinion, the same is being done with the Koran and the bits that Muhammad wrote about getting rid of Jews and Christians are safely ignored in the interests of peaceful co-existence between liberal, nominal professors of Christianity and Muslims who, like the pope, say, "We are all brothers and worship the same God."

I do say that the Muslims I have met have been very peaceful, friendly and tolerant people and that might be the case with the rank and file. As with any branch of religion, we have the extremists at each end of the spectrum, and the traditional church before and during the Reformation had its dark periods as well, killing more dissenters than who were killed during the Roman persecution of the early church.

So, not every professing Muslim is an extremist who purpose is to kill everyone who does not convert to Islam, in the same way that not every professing Christian would burn at the stake anyone who refuses to accept its authority. If you think I am Catholic bashing in saying that, I won't hesitate in saying that Calvin had people burned at the stake as well, and the established Church of England had dissenters imprisoned during the 16th and 17th Centuries, as well as the extreme Puritans of New England hanged dissenters and drowned innocent women accused of witchcraft.

Do you see how the tone of this post is different from the other? It leaves me wondering which one better reflects how you feel. I hope it's this one.

I still don't know what parts of the Quran you mean about getting rid of Jew and Christians. The worst thing I can attribute to Mohammed about Jews was how he passed the buck and asked his someone else to judge what to do with the Jews who revolted. That led to the slaughter of the entire tribe's men; and I still wonder if Mohammed did that wanting and expecting the other man to say kill all the men. Leaders sometimes do pass the buck like that so they can say, "I didn't do that." It's rather like the recent case of the murdered journalist -- with the Saudi Crown Prince saying, "I had nothing to do with that." In my mind, Mohammed is still responsible since he told the other guy to pass judgment.

 

[Yehren]

As someone here noted, it's a private forum, and the owners get to decide who participates, and what one must do or not do in order to continue to participate. I tend to be pretty blunt, and I've been banned from other forums in the past. It's not something one should be angry over.

 

[Hidden In Him]

You might not want to go down that track with me concerning Rick Joyner and prophetic visions!

I debated that on the other forum and I got repeatedly attacked and flamed for my views, but I'm quite happy to give my views for those who are willing to enter into a respectful and stimulating discussion about them.

I was a member of Pentecostal churches for 12 years, and then involved in a Charismatic prophetic ministry for the last 20 years. I have read every book I could get my hands on concerning the prophetic and know what most if not all the prominent prophetic authors have written about it. Much of it is good and sound, but others are saying things that are missing from the New Testament.

But I'm not sure whether a discussion about the prophetic is consistent with the theme of this thread, but it certainly would be a good thread to have in this discussion and debate area of the forum.

I'd love to have a talk with you on that some day! Weighing out the veracity of Final Quest would probably be an interesting discussion. But it would take time I unfortunately don't have these days, so we'll have to put it on the back burner for now.

God bless.

 

[Yehren]

I live in Christchurch and that mosque was just 10 minutes drive from my home. And actually it was not a Christian who attacked the mosque, it was a white supremacist atheist. There is sort of a difference.

"The origins of my language is European, my culture is European, my political beliefs are European, my philosophical beliefs are European, my identity is European and, most importantly, my blood is European," wrote Tarrant in a 74-page so-called manifesto posted online prior to the attacks.


It detailed an anti-immigration, neo-fascist ideology lamenting the supposed decline of European civilisation. While describing himself as a "regular white man", Tarrant speculated he might get 27 years in prison just like Nelson Mandela and be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

Responding to his own question "Is there a particular person that radicalised you the most?", Tarrant wrote: "Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was [US conservative commentator] Candace Owens… Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness."
New Zealand mosque attacks: Who is Brenton Tarrant?

All of this puts him nicely into the white nationalist zone. Some white nationalists are cultural Christians, and others have rejected Christianity entirely, claiming to be "Odinists." Owens is obviously not a white nationalist, but she is praised by them surprisingly often. I suspect she's pretty disgusted by that, not being aware of the way her message comes across to bigots.

 

[Paul Christensen]

"The origins of my language is European, my culture is European, my political beliefs are European, my philosophical beliefs are European, my identity is European and, most importantly, my blood is European," wrote Tarrant in a 74-page so-called manifesto posted online prior to the attacks.


It detailed an anti-immigration, neo-fascist ideology lamenting the supposed decline of European civilisation. While describing himself as a "regular white man", Tarrant speculated he might get 27 years in prison just like Nelson Mandela and be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize.

Responding to his own question "Is there a particular person that radicalised you the most?", Tarrant wrote: "Yes, the person that has influenced me above all was [US conservative commentator] Candace Owens… Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness."
New Zealand mosque attacks: Who is Brenton Tarrant?

All of this puts him nicely into the white nationalist zone. Some white nationalists are cultural Christians, and others have rejected Christianity entirely, claiming to be "Odinists." Owens is obviously not a white nationalist, but she is praised by them surprisingly often. I suspect she's pretty disgusted by that, not being aware of the way her message comes across to bigots.

Informative.

It doesn't alter the fact that the fellow is a murderer and will be found guilty in the judgment and will be sentenced to an eternal "prison" without parole if he doesn't turn to Christ.

 

[Yehren]

It doesn't alter the fact that the fellow is a murderer and will be found guilty in the judgment and will be sentenced to an eternal "prison" without parole if he doesn't turn to Christ.

He's a typical right-wing white nationalist. Whether or not he identifies with Christianity is unclear. But if he does, he definitely didn't get the message. Jesus told His followers that it was better to emulate a heretical Samaritan with love for his fellow man, than a religiously-correct Levite who did not have love for his neighbor.

 

[wayneparker29]

Sometimes people just need to be banned.

You mean like when Jesus said ...depart from me you worker of iniquity?

Are you as a Christian a worker of iniquity?

 

[wayneparker29]

There are rules of how to conduct one's self on this site along with other Christian sites I have encountered. Violate the rules badly enough and the member gets banned. It is usually that simple. There can be a few exceptions. But that is the general rule of things. A couple of members just might join with the sole purpose being to cause trouble for genuine Christians and seekers: cultists and others who are in opposition to the teachings of Jesus, who warned us to be on guard for wolves in sheep's clothing. So why were you banned? Maybe you thought the rules were meant for everybody but you? Just asking.

Why do moderators violate the same rules they enforce upon someone else?
Is it because they think they are above the law?

 

[wayneparker29]

It doesn't appear that you have ever been banned from here, unless you keep a second account which is not allowed.

Most people here ban themselves, by violating the rules and incurring 3 warning points. These warnings typically expire and the software unbans them. Then more often than not they continue to break the rules and get more warnings.

I have seen you ban people from here when you yourself violate the same rules
that you banned them.

I have been reading this forum long before you became a mod.

 

[lforrest]

I have seen you ban people from here when you yourself violate the same rules
that you banned them.

I have been reading this forum long before you became a mod.

Name one instance where I banned someone hipocriticly.