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Pearl

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I'm ok with your opinion... we have locked horns before.

I will end this discussion with these words....

I do NOT desire to have to answer as to WHY I did not believe that the BLOOD of CHRIST was ENOUGH to cover my salvation and my sins.

God has promised to finish in me what HE has begun... and He has also promised that NO ONE can pluck me from His hands. This leaves me FREE from strife... worrying... striving to "remain saved"... and allows me to simply get to KNOW HIM... and LOVE HIM for WHO HE IS. It has NOTHING to do with me and EVERYTHING to do with Him.

I'm off now ... to romp in the meadow and eat clover... with @Pearl
Couldn't have said it better. :cool:
 

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Cheep, cheep.
Hoot Hoot.... LOL... An image of us birds sticking together...

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We are not only SAVED by GRACE... we are also FUNNY.... that is because we KNOW that we KNOW that the BLOOD of CHRIST has covered our sins...( all of them ) and that our SALVATION is SEALED.... This gives us time to play... sing... dance for the Lord... all that kind of LOVELY stuff that PLEASES GOD. @Pearl
 

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We are not only SAVED by GRACE... we are also FUNNY.... that is because we KNOW that we KNOW that the BLOOD of CHRIST has covered our sins...( all of them ) and that our SALVATION is SEALED.... This gives us time to play... sing... dance for the Lord... all that kind of LOVELY stuff that PLEASES GOD. @Pearl

must be Pentecostals! o_O
 

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We are not only SAVED by GRACE... we are also FUNNY.... that is because we KNOW that we KNOW that the BLOOD of CHRIST has covered our sins...( all of them ) and that our SALVATION is SEALED.... This gives us time to play... sing... dance for the Lord... all that kind of LOVELY stuff that PLEASES GOD. @Pearl
And we're wise (old) birds.
 

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And we're wise (old) birds.
No I missed that but I believe repentance to be the decision to turn from our sin - which is what separates us from God - and turning our hearts and minds away from sin so that we can be reconciled with Him through the blood of Jesus. I'm not getting into another fruitless discussion.
 

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No I missed that but I believe repentance to be the decision to turn from our sin - which is what separates us from God - and turning our hearts and minds away from sin so that we can be reconciled with Him through the blood of Jesus. I'm not getting into another fruitless discussion.

that is what I believe and this thread is about. But I believe that the Bible says this takes place before a sinner can be saved from their sins. Nothing "fruitless" about this!
 

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must be Pentecostals! o_O
Nope.... but I do see how my answer led you to believe this... I don't dance... or sing really... but I do Worship...
My post was meant to be poetic... but I admit... the wording was deceptive... My bad.
 

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Let us praise and rejoice in the Lord who by His goodness does lead us to repentance .
Always thanking Him for the mercy of His grace which has been given us in Jesus Christ .
 
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I have already pointed out. The dead, unless they are made alive, can do nothing. They see not, hear not, more so repent not.

I am sorry, but your argument there does not address the issue.
It should be clear that the Bible teaches that we do not enter into grace apart from faith first being instilled in us by the Lord.

Rom 5:1, Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 5:2, By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

That instillation of faith, may, in itself, be the result of prevenient grace.

However, it should be clear in this passage, at least, that faith is the catalyst for entering into grace, and not the other way around.

Also, John 1:12.

Jhn 1:12, But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Notice it doesn't say, To as many as became the sons of God, to them he gave the power to receive him...

That would be the Calvinistic version....where a man is regenerated before he can even make a decision to believe in and follow Christ.
What you say there does not refute what I said in my post #19. Let me quote it here for you.

“Mankind, in Adam, were put under judgement resulting to condemnation. History, written out in scriptures, tells us what became of mankind, with Adam having chosen to hear and follow the voice of the devil. Sin made his dwelling in their flesh, making them slaves thereof. Now, even while mankind have their will, being a slave, their will does not really matter and was overtaken by sin that enslaved them. This truth could well be seen in the story of mankind in the time of the great flood in Noah’s time. What became of mankind is described by God himself who said that every intents of the thoughts of man’s heart are evil continually even from their youth. Such I would say is a state of death.

It is obvious that mankind needs the help and salvation of God from what they have become, that is, from the state of death. That unless God gives his grace of salvation to a man, no man will be saved. We see in scriptures that God gave grace to some men, men He have chosen to give grace and save them.

Now, considering this state of death that fallen mankind is in, we know that they have no life in them. And having no life, he can’t only not do as he wills but that he can do nothing that pertains to life. To be able to, he must be born again, and that, unto life. Only when that happens to a man, that he could do things pertaining to life.

However, a born again man does not mean that he is perfect by having been born again, but that, he is taken out from being in the state of death or being dead, and so is enabled to do what he could not otherwise do had he not been born again. He could now see the kingdom of God.


One who is in a state of death or is dead, acn not see or hear or repent or believe or do anything, unless he is first made alive or quickened.

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