Waiting on him
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John further states that the sons of the devil are manifest that they don’t love their fellow man.
Born Again or Christian? Is there a difference and what is your biblical support ?
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Yes....from my understanding is...the seed is the Holy Spirit, not sure what you believe?
If the Holy Spirit doesn’t remain, then I guess they were never Born Again of imperishable seed.
What are your thoughts?
I guess the Sons of the devil aren’t Born Again.
Another thing I have thought about...when we become Born Again and receive our new nature in Christ.....we can still have carnal thoughts, therefore act out those carnal thoughts.
This is where renewing of our minds is vital for spiritual growth, is of vital importance, I mean, first, we have to come to an understanding in the Spirit, what the renewing of our minds even means.
Just my thoughts and opinion.
At the end of the day, the Holy Spirit who leads us through scripture, and brings us to understanding Gods word...that’s why we must be Born Again, it’s vital that we are reconciled back to God.
The only way that can happen as Gods word says. Through the death and resurrection of Jesus.
Then the Born Again of imperishable seed....we need both.
Jesus has already died and been resurrected.
The next part for the security of our salvation....we must be Born Again, therefore that is what we all need to be reconciled back to God by His Spirit and only his Spirit can do that....which is an act that only God can do.
Hence his word saying....” we must be Born Again “....
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Waiting on him
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I believe that the Spirit of God was inside of Jesus reconciling Himself to the world, and that same spirit was within them. The fruit of that spirit is what made them appear as Christ,, so they were called Christians.
Waiting on him
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Just my opinion, sin is the transgression of the law. The only law is to love your neighbor as yourself.
Yes, this makes sense. and yes the disciples were called Christian, but
Under the New Covenant we must be Born Again.
This is where Jesus had to come to earth, died , as he was dying he took the sins of ours onto his shoulders....therefore through his death and resurrection, that is the only way for us on the earth to be reconciled back to God.
That’s the first part of God’s plan/ will fulfilled...the next part is.....we must become Born Again of imperishable seed....to be reconciled back to God....the seed imo is the Holy Spirit.
Great discussing with you @Waiting on him ....breath of fresh air to have a civilised discussion....I have much to learn...catch you later, I have chores to do...God Bless.
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Waiting on him
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It’s a very rare occurrence to meet someone who has the love and grace that Jesus bestowed. If you ever meet such a person I believe you will know it.
Please can you give your testimony on how you received the indwelling Holy Spirit?
Also what is Born Again in us?
What’s needs to be Born Again and why does it need to be Born Again?
.....pleas stay focused and please don’t get personal with your words..this is a serious discussion......because we are all learning the word of God and helping each other to do so.....this is not the place for any of us to get personal, which I include myself in that also..........thank you.
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Then quote scripture that says this?
Why do we need to be Born Again and are we then reconciled back to God?
Why did Jesus have to die?
If being Born of the Spirit ..isn’t receiving divine revelation from the Holy Spirit, what is it then?
How did Jesus make us “ free” from the law of sin and death?
Do you understand that we are reconciled back to God when we become Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed?
The word here says, to be carnally minded means death....what does that mean?
To be spiritually minded is life and peace as Gods word says.....what does that mean?
Who are they that are in the flesh that cannot please God as his word says.....why can’t those who are in flesh please God?
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Can you please answer the question...one more time....
Where does Gods word say that a Christian is Born Again, please provide scripture?
If you aren’t interested in studying God’s word....then go away, because this post here above is unedifying .....I will report your posts.
Please discuss the word....where in Scripture does God say, we must be a Born Again Christian?..thank you.
John 3
English Standard Version
You Must Be Born Again
3 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus[a] by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again[b] he cannot see the kingdom of God.Quote scripture that says you have received divinely inspired revelation.
Because we were sinners.
To make it possible for us to be forgiven our sins and be born again and have the debt paid that we owed for the sins we commit.
It is being made spiritually alive. That has nothing to do with receiving divine revelation from the Holy Spirit.
By dying on the cross as a sacrifice for the sins of the world.
Yes
It can mean several things, but it is generally accepted that it means living a sinful life, never having been saved.
Again, it is generally accepted that it means having been saved.
They are sinners. In the NT there are saints and there are sinners. Saints have been saved, sinners have not. And even though Saints do indeed sin as Paul points out in Romans 7, one who has been saved is not called or referred to as a sinner. The term sinner is strictly for the unsaved.
As JimC said in Reply #169, a Christian is a follower of Christ. The Greek word Χριστιανός [Christianos] means follower of Christ. Can one be born again and not be a follower of Christ? Answer - Of course not.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord
How were your sins forgiven...what was the process?...there is a process that God initiates before we can be Born Again, what is it?
If being made spiritually alive isn’t divine revelation....then please explain what spiritually Alive means, then back it up with scripture?
Why did Jesus have to die on the cross?....what in us needs to be reconciled back to God?
Scripture please that says this above.?
Saints have been saved from what and please post scripture to support what you say?
I don't know how old you are and I really don't care; but I suspect that I was studying God's word years before you were even born. I have even had two years of formal study in Seminary. So I think your accusation of not being interested in studying God's word is really offensive.
That is the meaning of the Greek word in God's word.
From Strong's Greek dictionary:
G5546
Χριστιανός
Christianos
khris-tee-an-os'
From G5547; a Christian, that is, follower of Christ: - Christian.
Then please focus...studying God’s word or attending a study in Seminary....does not mean one has been Born Again of the Spirit.
Anyone can study God’s word and attend seminary’s.....
We must be Born Of The Spirit.....no Study whatsoever needs to be done, for that to happen.
Being Born Again of imperishable seed....is an act of God.
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