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Calvinism is a Cult

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics Forum' started by CoreIssue, Feb 8, 2019.

  1. mjrhealth

    mjrhealth Well-Known Member

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    No He did not, He quoted scripture stating how the law does not, but I guess that isnt what you want to see..
     
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    Dave L Well-Known Member

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    This is salvation by works.
     
  3. Mjh29

    Mjh29 Well-Known Member

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    Are you going to answer the question, or no?
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Still not a reason for trying to persuade others when there is no freewill to choose.
     
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    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    I was not teaching salvation at all. On the contrary!
     
  6. amadeus

    amadeus Well-Known Member

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    You have established what you believe and then look to the written scripture for support, instead of looking to God for any necessary understanding and correction:

    "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." Matt 6:33
     
  7. justbyfaith

    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Those scriptures do not adequately teach that.

    That is a good point. See John 17:20.

    Jhn 17:20, Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

    Therefore He died for those whom He foreknew would believe on Him.

    If someone does not believe on Him, they are not one for whom Christ died.

    However, Calvinism implies that if someone is one of God's elect, it does not matter if they never make a decision to receive Christ; or if they never do believe on Him. What matters is that God chose them for salvation. Their faith therefore, doesn't matter as a catalyst for salvation; because, even though the Calvinist sidesteps the issue by saying that faith is the result of being born again; still the person is not saved by grace through faith, and so faith is not needed, only grace is needed. Because the person is not saved through their faith, a person can have grace without faith and still be saved; because faith is not the catalyst for their salvation; only grace.

    The scriptures so adamantly denied by Calvinists are the passages that are in some ways the most foundational to the true Christian faith: Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 5:1-2, and John 3:16-17. I would suggest to every reader that when discerning whether the preaching of Calvinism be true or not, that they measure and weigh out the doctrines of Calvinist preachers by these three passages. Memorize them and keep them in mind when discussing Calvinism with its proponents. You will find that these are the scripture passages most often contradicted by what the Calvinist will try to say unto you.
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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  9. SovereignGrace

    SovereignGrace Well-Known Member

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    If He is the Saviour of the whole world, then the whole world is saved and universalism reigns supreme.
     
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    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    No. God requires obedience to the Gospel, and not all will obey the Gospel, therefore all will not be saved. And Universalism will be shown to be false teaching.

    For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved....But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? (Rom 10:13,16)

    And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mk 16:15,16)

    So what the Bible says is that all MAY BE saved, but that not all WILL BE saved. *Every creature* and *whosoever* removes any doubt that all may be saved if all will obey the Gospel.
     
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    Mjh29 Well-Known Member

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    So you're not going to answer? It is a simple question: Did Christ die for the sins of all?
     
  12. CoreIssue

    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    Yes, contingent upon repentance in free will by faith through grace.

    Why are the Calvinist trying to prove their claims if we have no freewill to choose?
     
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    Mjh29 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so Christ died for all sins. Is unbelief a sin?
     
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    justbyfaith Well-Known Member

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    Unbelief is a sin (like the unpardonable sin) that will keep a person out of heaven, since faith (the antonym of unbelief) is the means by which one enters in.

    It is paid for if it is repented of, if it is not repented of, it is not paid for.

    Christ paid for the sins of all men, which is appropriated by repentance and faith in Jesus and His shed blood.
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    Looks like this incontrovertible question has now been answered, in a few simple words.
     
  15. Mjh29

    Mjh29 Well-Known Member

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    But you say Christ died for all sins of all men.... this would include the sin of unbelief. Which means if Christ died for all men and for all sin, then this sin would be covered as well, and all men would get into heaven. Do all men get into heaven?

    Looks like this question remains still unanswered...
     
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    CoreIssue Well-Known Member

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    A sin by freewill choice to not repent.

    Why are the Calvinist trying to prove their claims if we have no freewill to choose?
     
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    It is covered....for those who repent of their unbelief and believe, they are forgiven of their former unbelief. No, in this all men do not go to heaven; for not all men repent and believe.
     
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    Mjh29 Well-Known Member

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    But then Christ died for all men and all sin, which would include this sin of unbelief. If God died for all men and all sin, and unbelief is a sin, then Christ covered this sin and therefore all men go to heaven. Do all men go to heaven?
     
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    Preacher4Truth Well-Known Member

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    Yet repentance and faith are gifts of God.
     
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    Mjh29 Well-Known Member

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    But you said Christ died for all sins unconditionally. Is there now a condition put on some sins for them to be forgiven? But this would mean that Christ did not die for all sins, but only those without condition.

    Did Christ die for all sins or only for unconditional sins?
     
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