Your above is yet another of your lies.
I asked the question that you just dodged.
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Your above is yet another of your lies.
Hey core you just criticize others for saying that your not saved somthing I never did . Then you just told me I am not saved .I have had to deal with knife and gun attacks as well as a veteran. So don't throw that out there as a defense.
You say you know you are saved? Jehovah witness, Catholics, Mormons and others claimed the same thing. So don't try to claim truth for yourself.
If you did not freewill repent in faith by grace to Christ you were not washed in his blood and born-again.
We cannot take this verse out of context to mean that God chooses some for salvation and others for damnation. The context is the unbelief of the Jews versus the salvation of the Gentiles.Romans 9:20 in the above.
If you don't do this and this and this you are not a Christian. You tell others that they do not know they are saved because they don't place their trust in themselves. What a farse! You don't know repentance to God; you know acceptance of your own ability. You trust more in your own abilities than in the blood of Christ. Even in your above statement, you place yourself at the forefront of your conversion; I have to do this and this and this ..... oh yeah, and Christ's blood or something... but I have to do this and I have to do that.
And then you throw out the names of a few cults to distract from the blatant self salvation gospel you so prominently push, because you don't really feel secure unless everyone else around you is congratulating themselves as well.
That's not faith. That's self reliance and hording your trust because you can't trust anyone but yourself.
We cannot take this verse out of context to mean that God chooses some for salvation and others for damnation. The context is the unbelief of the Jews versus the salvation of the Gentiles.
In this chapter we see that it is only God who decides as to whom He will be merciful and to whom He will not. BUT IT IS NOT ARBITRARY AT ALL.
1. Only those who are of believing Israel are saved, and those are the only ones on whom God has mercy (v 6)
2. Isaac was chosen over Ishmael because he was the child of promise through Sarah (v 9)
3. God elected Jacob over Isaac before he was born seeing that Jacob would be a man of faith while Esau would be a godless person (v 13)
4. Pharaoh was condemned to Hell because of his own hardness of heart which result in God eventually hardening his heart ( v 18)
5. God endures with much longsuffering those who are wicked and unbelieving, but eventually they face His wrath and eternal damnation (v 22). The world before the Flood had 120 years to repent.
6. The Gentiles -- who were not originally God's people -- have become His people by His mercy and grace (through faith in Christ and His finished work of redemption) (v 26). Indeed they have become children of the living God.
7. These "vessels of mercy" have been predestined to be glorified, since those whom He justified He also glorified (v 23)
8. Of the Jews, only a believing remnant shall be saved, because the rest sought to establish their own righteousness through the works of the Law (v 31).
Throughout this entire chapter we see that without faith it is impossible to please God, and that faith (and repentance) are necessary in order to be saved. But we do not see God arbitrarily choosing some for salvation and others for damnation, or giving the *gift of faith* to some while ignoring others. As Scripture says, Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (the Gospel), therefore Christ commanded that the Gospel be preached to "every creature" so that all would be saved. BUT THEY HAVE NOT ALL OBEYED THE GOSPEL.
Not to defend the Jehovah’s Witnesses, but you don’t even get them right you seem to only go by what you hear from someone else who obviously haven’t looked to to that false religion. Most Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe they are the 144000 . In fact they are so concerned about not having enough of that 144000 people that each time the do their version of the lords supper the count the participants.
Sense they believe only the 144000 can take the wine and bread .
They will tell you they haven’t had any one take it years
Read up . If you are in apposition of there beliefs know what they believe
Blessings
Bill
@CoreIssue are you going to wake up to your false gospel now, or wait until the day of judgment?
Romans 12:3 -- .... yes, God DOES chose whom will and will not have faith, though this choice is not arbitrary; He chooses some and not others because it brings Him glory to do so. He is concerned foremost with His glory. Believe it or not, God does not revolve around man.
Faith in God is not trust in oneself.
It is not work and it is not process. It is a request recognizing only Christ can save me.
You are the ones trying to spend what I believe into work and self dependency.
You believe everyone is a puppet. Some will be marched into heaven and summoned to hell by the puppet master.
I feel very secure. You do not.
If you did you would not be on here trying to convince others you are right. It serves no purpose in your theology.
I try to convince no one. If you truly felt secure, you would not feel the need to cling onto your own choice or to come back here and comment the same thing over and over without actually contributing anything other that slander and idle speculation with 0 reference to the Word of God.
I love how, because you are the god of your own salvation, you now think you can tell others whether or not they feel secure. I feel perfectly secure, in fact I know I am saved because the blood of Christ has washed me clean and opened my eyes. I feel secure because I know that none of my corrupt human and sin nature had anything to do with my conversion.
Please, if you are here merely because those who do not congratulate themselves make you feel uncomfortable, and unless you actually contribute something useful, don't expect me to take you seriously. I shall pray for you, that God would open your eyes to the truth.
For someone not trying not to do something you're talking a lot.
Praying for me for what purpose?
I am not disputing this. I am asking why god would allow such variations in salvation theology since it is such a serious thing to get right.Hey Vince
The fact that Christians disagree on some topic or another points to the fact of man being a fallen creature more than any fault in our faith as Christians or the existence of God. You can look any where man gathers to discuss any topic there you will find disagreements it’s our nature.
Sure but science has a method and system for coming to the truth and consensus, religion does not.Take the many different scientific areas of study you can see several different circles and observe discord .
I would say so. Some say no repentance is required some say it is. The bible seems to be unclear on this. So if it is and someone does not repent then they are not saved. So how a person believes they are saved is of most importance.Dose the understanding of the nature of salvation affect one’s salvation? No as long as the beliefs don’t ascribe any attributes of God to man or something in creation or diminish God’s attributes in any way as described in Scripture.
This is fine but then you cannot blame atheists for not believing. Not saying you do but some here do.I have several friends that disagree with me on how salvation works are the saved? ( truly only God knows ) I believe many are . Why? they like many others they prefer to dwell on the finished work of Christ Jesus . That’s what counts.
It’s when you tamper with who God is as shown in the Scriptures is where you run aground. .
As for the Gospel it’s the Life Death of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ end of story. How the sharing of Gospel is done , well that’s up to the Holy Spirit and who is sharing. What counts is the life death and resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
As for the picking what is the right one . Well as a former atheist I was picked and did not do the picking . If I did the picking I would have not of chosen Christ.
Blessings
Bill
1.) You started this thread, openly calling me a cultist
2.) You slandered Reformed theology, continually bashing it.
3.) You come back every so often to through out your Scripture-less slander and rants, providing fact-less conjecture
4.) If we say nothing, you cry victory. If we speak up, you say "Wow, you sure are saying alot." Nice double standard.
I am praying for your soul, because anyone willing to slander and mock and ridicule those who do nothing but try and show forth the Scriptures and refuse to pat their own backs need prayer
Hey VinceI am not disputing this. I am asking why god would allow such variations in salvation theology since it is such a serious thing to get right.
Sure but science has a method and system for coming to the truth and consensus, religion does not.
I would say so. Some say no repentance is required some say it is. The bible seems to be unclear on this. So if it is and someone does not repent then they are not saved. So how a person believes they are saved is of most importance.
This is fine but then you cannot blame atheists for not believing. Not saying you do but some here do.
It's ironic. His OP basically says we're lost by implication. Secondly, no one has stated he's lost. Now, he should act converted. What I mean by that is a gentle rebuke that he should end offering up lies.Hey core you just criticize others for saying that your not saved somthing I never did . Then you just told me I am not saved .
Well sir I still love you and will pray for you .but I have discovered that engagement with you on this topic brings out some more disheartening things. I have decided that it is best to withdraw and leave you alone that perhaps you may find some peace .
In continual prayer.
Blessings
Bill
It's ironic. His OP basically says we're lost by implication. Secondly, no one has stated he's lost. Now, he should act converted. What I mean by that is a gentle rebuke that he should end offering up lies.
I am not disputing this. I am asking why god would allow such variations in salvation theology since it is such a serious thing to get right.
Sure but science has a method and system for coming to the truth and consensus, religion does not.
Again you have taken another verse out of context to support you UNSCRIPTURAL doctrines.Romans 12:3 -- .... yes, God DOES chose whom will and will not have faith, though this choice is not arbitrary; He chooses some and not others because it brings Him glory to do so. He is concerned foremost with His glory. Believe it or not, God does not revolve around man.