Can angels have sex?

[theefaith]

Being baptized isn’t a prerequisite but an act of obedience which we should do not everyone was baptized like the thief on the cross as he couldn’t much like any deathbed convertions

The new covenant and it’s requirements are not in effect until Christ’s death heb 9:16-17

The verse below shows what we need

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned

Notice that it doesn’t say whoever isn’t baptized will be condemned?

Why bother?

Mark 16:16 The requirements for those who are being saved cannot be undone by the requirements for those not being saved! He who believes and is baptized is still required for salvation? Heaven and earth may pass away but my words shall not pass away!

It is Reasonable that if one rejects faith why bother mentioning the second requirement?

So don’t negate the word of God or Jesus by trying to delete one verse with another.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Nowhere does scripture say salvation is by “faith alone”! Rom 13:11
Or that we died with Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we put in Christ by “faith alone”! Or that we are in the church by “faith alone”!

If it was that way then we would have to earn it.

you can’t baptize yourself!
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
baptism is the initiation of the new covenant

Here are some other verses which shows all we need to do to obtain salvation.

Romans 10:13
for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life

1John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Salvation is a gift not earned I believe the birth of water is the physical birth as we are in water in the womb.

you must believe all Christ revealed and his church teaches

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth is immutable! Cannot change!

And same truths revealed by Christ and taught by the church are always believed and taught from the beginning when Christ taught his church in person! Jude 1:3 the faith once delivered to the saints or the deposit of faith eph 4:5 one faith!


Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

 

[theefaith]

A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27

Jesus says: I remind you you’re still under oath!


A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!

As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!

without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!

Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!

Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!

They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!

Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.

Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.


Baptism!

God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2

Born again! Born from above!

'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!



Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 2:1&5 brought to life in baptism
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 and not the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!






“Faith alone”

Questions

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

 

[ewq1938]

pure spirits don’t have a body

Angels have bodies. I have met one. In every single scripture where an angel is described, he has a body whether heaven or Earth.

 

[FHII]

The actual Hebrew in Genesis 1:26 and 1:27 is different:

Gen 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let Us make man (aadam with no article) in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man (aadam with the article and demonstrative 'eth) in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
KJV

When the Hebrew is just aadam with no article, it means general 'mankind', like the races.

When the Hebrew is eth' ha' aadam, it means a specific man, the man Adam God formed in His Garden per Genesis 2:7.

That suggests that on the 6th day God created all the races of a 'mankind', and also the specific man Adam He formed in His Garden of Eden. Thus the races appeared how God designed them, and He said it was good. This explains where the people of the land of Nod came from; they were already there when Cain went to there.

It's important to realize that God formed the man Adam for a specific purpose, to be the bloodline family that His Son Jesus Christ would be born through. This is why Luke 3 gives Jesus' specific bloodline genealogy all the way back to the man Adam.

Very interesting. Without outright agreeing, it's worth looking into.

 

[Marty fox]

you must believe all Christ revealed and his church teaches

Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17

Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5

Truth is immutable! Cannot change!

And same truths revealed by Christ and taught by the church are always believed and taught from the beginning when Christ taught his church in person! Jude 1:3 the faith once delivered to the saints or the deposit of faith eph 4:5 one faith!


Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)

The evidence of true faith is humble subjection and obedience to Christ & His holy church!

The rule of faith for Christians is Jesus Christ Jn 14:6 and His church! Matt 18:17 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Sorry but I’m not quite sure what your getting at here are you agreeing or disagreeing with my post?

 

[Lambano]

angels dont marry

They're afraid of commitment.

 

[theefaith]

Angels have bodies. I have met one. In every single scripture where an angel is described, he has a body whether heaven or Earth.

They can appear as God wills but they are pure spirits

 

[Mantis]

Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.

Sex is pleasure, God invented it. Pleasures are at his right hand forever. We have no idea if angels can have sex. They don't marry but that is does not necessarily mean sex. Marriage is an earthly means for procreation. I don't think we know.

 

[ewq1938]

They can appear as God wills but they are pure spirits

They are not bodiless spirits. All angels have bodies and they are all male in appearance.

 

[Mantis]

They are not bodiless spirits. All angels have bodies and they are all male in appearance.

What about Zechariah 5:9? I have heard people say no they are not female angels because they had stork wings and storks are unclean. Well Jesus is the Lion of the tribe if Judah. Lions are unclean.

 

[ewq1938]

What about Zechariah 5:9?

It's not speaking of female angels at all.

Gill:

and, behold, there came out two women; out of the same place the "ephah" did. The Targum explains these "two women" by two provinces; and Kimchi interprets them of the two tribes of Judah and Benjamin, who had been carried captive into Babylon; and others of the two kings, Jehoiakim and Zedekiah, who were the cause of the captivity; but Jarchi understands by them the Babylonians and Chaldeans, two nations as one, joined in Nebuchadnezzar's armies, which carried them captive: others think the two reformers, Ezra and Nehemiah, are meant, who were instruments of purging the Jews, returned from captivity, though but weak ones, and therefore are compared to "women"; yet what they did they did swiftly, and therefore are said to have "wings", and under the influence of the Spirit of God; hence the "wind", or "spirit" (f), is said to be in their wings; and they acted from a tender regard to the glory of God and the good of their country; and therefore their wings were like the "wings of a stork"; a bird of passage, as appears from Jer_8:7 and so a fit emblem to be used in the transportation of the "ephah"

 

[Davy]

pure spirits don’t have a body

Yes they do, it's simply an angelic type body, the "image of the heavenly" that Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15, the "spiritual body".

They do not have a flesh body, I agree with that, but the Heavenly dimension has an outward image likeness body also, which was patterned after God's Own Image of man. This is why the angels appear with the image of man in that spiritual body too even when manifested on earth. That is the type body those in Christ after His coming will be changed to, or resurrected to, according to Apostle Paul.

 

[Davy]

angels dont marry

Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Gen 6 not angels

Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

The "sons of God" in Genesis 6 were NOT IN HEAVEN when they mated with flesh women.

 

[EloyCraft]

If Angels could not have sex, then how do you explain the Nephilim?

Do you know that polygamy creates a culture of fierce competition. Men achieve status by taking wives and physical dominance. Researchers find that polygamy increases the size of males because they must fight for the opportunity to reproduce. Lamech describes it to his wives. His kid invents weapons of war. From Lamech on sin increases violence and the size of males. A little special breeding to increase male size was going on I think.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes they do, it's simply an angelic type body, the "image of the heavenly" that Apostle Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15, the "spiritual body".

They do not have a flesh body, I agree with that, but the Heavenly dimension has an outward image likeness body also, which was patterned after God's Own Image of man. This is why the angels appear with the image of man in that spiritual body too even when manifested on earth. That is the type body those in Christ after His coming will be changed to, or resurrected to, according to Apostle Paul.

They are the stars in the sky. The reason they appear in human form is to not blind every one with sunlight when they come to earth.

Matthew 17:2

"And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light."

Exodus 34:29-35

"And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him. And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him. And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them. And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the Lord had spoken with him in mount Sinai. And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face. But when Moses went in before the Lord to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded. And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

Moses and Jesus are not even angels, but they show us how God created the angels as the stars. Humans were created as lights on the earth, but in Adam's dead corruptible flesh, the spirit or light part was taken away.

So when an angel comes to earth, they have to take on human form, to blend in with Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

Our physical body will not be changed other than to another permanent incorruptible physical body. The spirit is put on over the physical body as a robe of white. The spirit is the light of a sun. In Revelation 6, the 5th Seal is Paul's version of putting on immortality. John points out it is a robe of white. We have 3 parts, but missing 2 of them. We are missing our permanent incorruptible physical body. We are missing our spirit, a robe of light.

When Moses was with God, and Jesus on the mount of Transfiguration showed us what our spirit is and does. That is putting on immortality. God is light. Putting on immortality is putting on God's light.

 

[Davy]

They are the stars in the sky. The reason they appear in human form is to not blind every one with sunlight when they come to earth.

I think you are all too superstitious.

Heb 13:2
2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.
KJV

 

[JohnPaul]

They are the stars in the sky. The reason they appear in human form is to not blind every one with sunlight when they come to earth.

Matthew 17:2

"And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light."

Exodus 34:29-35

"And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him. And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him. And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them. And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the Lord had spoken with him in mount Sinai. And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face. But when Moses went in before the Lord to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded. And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

Moses and Jesus are not even angels, but they show us how God created the angels as the stars. Humans were created as lights on the earth, but in Adam's dead corruptible flesh, the spirit or light part was taken away.

So when an angel comes to earth, they have to take on human form, to blend in with Adam's dead corruptible flesh.

Our physical body will not be changed other than to another permanent incorruptible physical body. The spirit is put on over the physical body as a robe of white. The spirit is the light of a sun. In Revelation 6, the 5th Seal is Paul's version of putting on immortality. John points out it is a robe of white. We have 3 parts, but missing 2 of them. We are missing our permanent incorruptible physical body. We are missing our spirit, a robe of light.

When Moses was with God, and Jesus on the mount of Transfiguration showed us what our spirit is and does. That is putting on immortality. God is light. Putting on immortality is putting on God's light.

I never heard of Angels being stars in the sky, that sounds like something a parent would tell their child.

 

[ewq1938]

I never heard of Angels being stars in the sky, that sounds like something a parent would tell their child.

Stars are a metaphor for angels. The 6th seal describes the events of the second coming and Christ comes with angels so metaphorically it would be a huge amount of angels coming down:


2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Angels are figuratively called stars. When speaking in literal terms John used "angels". When speaking in figurative terms John used "stars".

Here is an example:

Rev_9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Here a star that is referred to as a "him" is given the key to the pit. Literal stars don't use keys but an angel does. This same angel with the same key is here:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

He has the key in his hand because he was given that key back at the 5th trump.

Angels are called stars in the OT also:


Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Barnes:

When the morning-stars - There can be little doubt that angelic beings are intended here, though some have thought that the stars literally are referred to, and that they seemed to unite in a chorus of praise when another world was added to their number. The Vulgate renders it, astra matutina, morning-stars; the Septuagint, ??´te e??e??´???a? a?´st?a hote egene¯the¯nai astra - “ when the stars were made:” the Chaldee, “the stars of the zephyr,” or “morning” - ??? ?????. The comparison of a prince, a monarch, or an angel, with a star, is not uncommon; compare the notes at Isa. 14. The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of the principal star which, at certain seasons of the year, leads on the morning. It is applied naturally to those angelic beings that are of distinguished glory and rank in heaven. That it refers to the angels, seems to be evident from the connection; and this interpretation is demanded in order to correspond with the phrase “sons of God” in the other member of the verse.

 

[JohnPaul]

Stars are a metaphor for angels. The 6th seal describes the events of the second coming and Christ comes with angels so metaphorically it would be a huge amount of angels coming down:


2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Angels are figuratively called stars. When speaking in literal terms John used "angels". When speaking in figurative terms John used "stars".

Here is an example:

Rev_9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Here a star that is referred to as a "him" is given the key to the pit. Literal stars don't use keys but an angel does. This same angel with the same key is here:

Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

He has the key in his hand because he was given that key back at the 5th trump.

Angels are called stars in the OT also:


Job_38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Barnes:

When the morning-stars - There can be little doubt that angelic beings are intended here, though some have thought that the stars literally are referred to, and that they seemed to unite in a chorus of praise when another world was added to their number. The Vulgate renders it, astra matutina, morning-stars; the Septuagint, ??´te e??e??´???a? a?´st?a hote egene¯the¯nai astra - “ when the stars were made:” the Chaldee, “the stars of the zephyr,” or “morning” - ??? ?????. The comparison of a prince, a monarch, or an angel, with a star, is not uncommon; compare the notes at Isa. 14. The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of the principal star which, at certain seasons of the year, leads on the morning. It is applied naturally to those angelic beings that are of distinguished glory and rank in heaven. That it refers to the angels, seems to be evident from the connection; and this interpretation is demanded in order to correspond with the phrase “sons of God” in the other member of the verse.

Thank you for taking the time to explain ewq1938.

 

[Davy]

Thank you for taking the time to explain ewq1938.

And don't forget this example...

Rev 12:3-4
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
KJV

Per Revelation 12:9, we are told the title "dragon" is just another name for Satan.

So that above Scripture is about the time when Satan first rebelled in coveting God's Throne (Ezekiel 28 is a parable about it).

It was back then that Satan (that "red dragon") drew a third of the angels ("stars") to earth with him.

That past event ALSO involved a beast system like the one mentioned in Revelation 13:1 for the END of this world. Thing is, the number of 'crowns' is different between them.

That old beast system that had ten horns, seven heads, but only 7 crowns is linked with the time when Satan first rebelled.

The problem many brethren have with understanding that is how they do not consider just 'when'... it was that Satan first rebelled against God, in coveting His Throne. In the Ezekiel 28 parable, God showed that He created Satan as a covering cherub, and that he was originally "perfect in his ways". A covering cherub has the job to guard The Mercy Seat of God's Throne. Satan coveting it for himself, wanting to be GOD.

That first rebellion, when Satan drew a third of the angels in rebellion with him, happened in a previous world earth age, prior to Adam and Eve. We easily know this because of God's parable about what Satan did in Ezekiel 28 and in Isaiah 14. In Isaiah 14, God even mocked Satan using his own words, where Satan called himself the 'morning star'. Only Jesus Christ is the true Morning Star per Revelation 22.