Can angels have sex?
- Thread starter theefaith
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Davy
Well-Known Member
Thanks for openly revealing that you don't know squat about what The Bible declares.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Isa 26:13 O LORD our God, other lords beside thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.
Isa 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
How many dead people are in a cemetary?
Thanks. The purpose of my comment was to raise the specter of Gnosticism in his mind, which has Christological implications.
As for man being made in the image of God, I don’t rule out physical appearance (though many do) but place it in a secondary position behind character.
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
Sons of God are not angels. Jesus is not an angel nor became an angel as a son of God. You all need to find another name for these imagined "angels", because God calls humans, sons of God, not angels. Why would God tell Moses one thing and the rest of Scripture another thing? The sons of God in Job were created on the 6th Day in the image of God.
Davy
Well-Known Member
The Isaiah 26:14 verse is about the 'giants', the Rephaim. The word "deceased" (KJV) the translators failed to bring into English as Rephaim like they did in other Scripture.
ALL... the dead born in the flesh will have a resurrection. That is Bible 101...
John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV
But the 'dead' of Isaiah 26:14 are different, because it says these SHALL NOT RISE, ie., not be resurrected...
Isa 26:14
14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased (Rephaim), they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
KJV
Those are about the hybrid giant offspring from the mating of the "sons of God" (angels) with the daughters of men. God did not create those, so those will have no resurrection, which is solid Biblical proof that the Genesis 6 event actually happened as written.
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV
Davy
Well-Known Member
The subject is the Genesis 6 events, which it is written that the "sons of God" saw the daughters of Adam (actually the man Adam, Hebrew eth'ha'aadam), meaning the family that Christ would be born through. And those sons of God took wives of them. And there were giants in those days when the sons of God went in unto the daughters of men and bare children to them. The language there is very clean and exact. There's no way to make it say anything else. And the attempt to try and do that means adding to and taking away from God's Word.
And brethren, if someone will try to remove a clear passage in God's Word written in simplicity, just think what other Bible butchery they will do. Those kind of people should be a warning to all Christian brethren.
Moreover, just in case someone doubts that is the subject of Genesis 6:1-4, the Genesis 6:9 about Noah mentions how he was 'perfect' in his generations. The Hebrew for perfect is a word about bloodline purity used to refer the old covenant requirement for the purity of sacrificial animals for sacrifice. It is pointing directly to Noah's bloodline purity in that verse...
Gen 6:9
9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
KJV
It means Noah's offspring had not corrupted their bloodline genealogy. That strikes out any idea that the giants were just big bullies.
FHII
Well-Known Member
- Apr 9, 2011
- 4,833
- 2,494
- 113
- Faith
- Christian
- Country
- United States
The question is based on a false premise. Adam was created in Genesis 1:26-28. One man. I stated he was both male and female because Woman (Eve) had not been extracted yet.
If you look up the word in the Hebrew dictionary, the original word for "man" Is "Adam". That word has dual meanings: homosapiens and the name of one created person (Adam). The context of the verses dictate which is used.
If any humans did exist at this time, they were created in Genesis 1:24-25.
Davy
Well-Known Member
The actual Hebrew in Genesis 1:26 and 1:27 is different:
Gen 1:26-27
26 And God said, Let Us make man (aadam with no article) in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man (aadam with the article and demonstrative 'eth) in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
KJV
When the Hebrew is just aadam with no article, it means general 'mankind', like the races.
When the Hebrew is eth' ha' aadam, it means a specific man, the man Adam God formed in His Garden per Genesis 2:7.
That suggests that on the 6th day God created all the races of a 'mankind', and also the specific man Adam He formed in His Garden of Eden. Thus the races appeared how God designed them, and He said it was good. This explains where the people of the land of Nod came from; they were already there when Cain went to there.
It's important to realize that God formed the man Adam for a specific purpose, to be the bloodline family that His Son Jesus Christ would be born through. This is why Luke 3 gives Jesus' specific bloodline genealogy all the way back to the man Adam.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Say it LOUDER I can't hear you.
Rephaim were an old tribe of the Canaanites. They lived in the mountains to the east of Iraq.
They were Tall, they were Strong, they were TYRANTS, and they were BULLIES.
And they would come down out of the mountains and start wars.
Think Vikings.
Only difference is Vikings controlled the seas, while the tribes of Canaan controlled the mountains.
Pirates they were. Ahoy Matey.
leaven leaven leaven leaven leaven..
everywhere leaven
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
Before Jesus came, the High Priests and Pharisees and Saducees controlled what people heard out of the law.
They determined what the people would learn out of the prophets.
Jesus questioned them often.. haven't you read? Why don't you know?
They kept the scriptures buried.
Jesus brought them (the scriptures) back to life, that's why we have them in our bibles today.
Now these Rephaim, and Nephilim, they will never see the light of day. All memory of them have been forgotten.
The only reference we have of them are written as a reminder, that God is able to make things survive or disappear.
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Luk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
a key
since the keeper of the keys has the power to open and to shut
knowledge signifies in general intelligence, understanding
All this talk today about transperancy...
Not too much has changed when you consider, people who have authority don't much like sharing knowledge with the people that put them there in the first place. They hide everything and try to reap the benefits for themselves.
Pirates they are.
But justice is coming.
And the books will be opened. The ones they kept hid.
And they will be judged out of them.
And they were judged, and they lost the kingdom. And now it has come to Christianity.
Read it and weap you Pharisees and Saducees.
You who required tithes but refused to teach and to heal and to show mercy.
Your story has an ending and you too will not be remembered in the world to come.
Hypocrites!
Try not to let your imaginations get the better of you.
They don't lead you to where you need to go.
They determined what the people would learn out of the prophets.
Jesus questioned them often.. haven't you read? Why don't you know?
They kept the scriptures buried.
Jesus brought them (the scriptures) back to life, that's why we have them in our bibles today.
Now these Rephaim, and Nephilim, they will never see the light of day. All memory of them have been forgotten.
The only reference we have of them are written as a reminder, that God is able to make things survive or disappear.
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Mat 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
Luk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
a key
since the keeper of the keys has the power to open and to shut
knowledge signifies in general intelligence, understanding
All this talk today about transperancy...
Not too much has changed when you consider, people who have authority don't much like sharing knowledge with the people that put them there in the first place. They hide everything and try to reap the benefits for themselves.
Pirates they are.
But justice is coming.
And the books will be opened. The ones they kept hid.
And they will be judged out of them.
And they were judged, and they lost the kingdom. And now it has come to Christianity.
Read it and weap you Pharisees and Saducees.
You who required tithes but refused to teach and to heal and to show mercy.
Your story has an ending and you too will not be remembered in the world to come.
Hypocrites!
Try not to let your imaginations get the better of you.
They don't lead you to where you need to go.
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
So perfect in his generation means you can add someone's opinion about the Law of Moses, but when I say the sons of God is being made in God's image, you throw a hissy fit about corrupting God's Word?
The sons of God are in the same time frame as those created on the 6th day. Compared to Noah and Adam's corruptible dead flesh that cannot even enter Paradise, because of sin, why would those made in God's image not be like giants instead of what we call humans today?
I am not saying those giants thousands of years later were sons of God. I am saying that the wives of Noah and his sons could have had the same genetics as those sons of God and passed them down through Noah's descendants. Why is it so wrong that perfectly created humans could be larger in physical size, than Adam's dead corruptible flesh? Stop using angels or the word "giant" to create a third type of created being. Jesus said angels do not procreate. That is the final word on the subject.
As for Noah being "righteous" being a direct descendant of Adam and "pure blood", how does that change that Adam was a sinner as well as Noah? Why does blood have to be pure when sin is not genetic, so what makes a pure blood line special? All beings, and there were only 2, angels and sons of God, were created directly by God and were perfect from creation.
Who do you think passed on the dead corruptible flesh, Adam's descendants, or the sons of God?
Do you not think Paul knew what he was writing about, when he said sin entered by one man?
Was Paul wrong when he said Adam's flesh was dead and corruptible?
Yet you think Noah had to have a pure blood line that was what: free of perfection, but 100% dead? None of the other sons of God brought sin into the world.
Noah was a just man, because He was the only one who actually listened to God and obeyed God, but if you want to stick to your theory, go for it. Hebrews 11:7
"By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith."
No blood mentioned once in that verse, but hey you seem to know more about it than the author of Hebrews.
Should I assume you remove clear passages, and bring in German thought processes that demand pure bloodline humans not mixed up with "other races"? Do you preach eugenics? You realize you are comparing animal sacrifices which were supposed to be pure to be made in the place of humans who were not pure; to humans who are not pure? If humans were pure, we could offer our firstborns as sacrifices, no? They are not, and neither Adam's nor Noah's blood made them righteous in their generations.
Ziggy
Well-Known Member
And this is where Heaven and Earth come in...
Angels are those that sit in high places. Priests, Prophets, Bishops, Teachers of the law, etc.
They sit in the highest authority over the sons of man..
The Sons of God are the Kings and Commanders set over the armies of God.
Together they make up a church.
In Israel there was no seperation of Church and State. They worked together as one man, in the Kingdom of Heaven and Earth.
Heaven is where God's throne is. And In Moses' day, Moses sat on God's throne. It's called Moses' seat.
Mat 23:1 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
1Ki 12:32 And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like unto the feast that is in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Bethel, sacrificing unto the calves that he had made: and he placed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made.
2Ki 17:9 And the children of Israel did secretly those things that were not right against the LORD their God, and they built them high places in all their cities, from the tower of the watchmen to the fenced city.
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.
Eze 6:6 In all your dwellingplaces the cities shall be laid waste, and the high places shall be desolate; that your altars may be laid waste and made desolate, and your idols may be broken and cease, and your images may be cut down, and your works may be abolished.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Mat 8:28 And when he was come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, there met him two possessed with devils, coming out of the tombs, exceeding fierce, so that no man might pass by that way.
Mat 8:29 And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?
Mat 8:30 And there was a good way off from them an herd of many swine feeding.
Mat 8:31 So the devils besought him, saying, If thou cast us out, suffer us to go away into the herd of swine.
Mat 8:32 And he said unto them, Go. And when they were come out, they went into the herd of swine: and, behold, the whole herd of swine ran violently down a steep place into the sea, and perished in the waters.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
Jer 23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.
Today Jesus Christ sits on the throne in the church (in heaven) as both High Priest and King over his body, the earth.
Isa 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Isa 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
Psa 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
Psa 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Psa 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
Psa 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
Psa 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Everything in the Bible has double meaning. Both physical and spiritual.
But don't get caught up too high in the clouds, and don't bury your head in the sand.
Stand on the firmament where there is solid ground.
Hugs
stars are not angels, they may represent angels in prophecy
Stars are burning globes of gas!
That’s why we will never travel to the stars
Timtofly
Well-Known Member
That is not a given that Adam was a separate creation from those on day 6, just like no one can state for a fact who the sons of God were.
In the giving of names in those first four or five chapters did you not notice that the names were given because of a post fact about their lives. So giving the name sons of God to those created on day 6 a couple chapters later is not that odd. They were to be distinguished from Adam's offspring. Yet they all were called man or human.
God only named Adam after Adam named the animals. Adam only named Eve after they disobeyed God. Names were given as descriptions when they were necessary in such accounts as they were named. God did not need to name those on day 6 in chapter 1 as sons of God or Adam. Yet in chapter 1 as well as chapter 2 they were still "man".
angels dont marry
Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
Gen 6 not angels
Hebrews 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Being baptized isn’t a prerequisite but an act of obedience which we should do not everyone was baptized like the thief on the cross as he couldn’t much like any deathbed convertions
The verse below shows what we need
Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned
Notice that it doesn’t say whoever isn’t baptized will be condemned?
If it was that way then we would have to earn it.
Here are some other verses which shows all we need to do to obtain salvation.
Romans 10:13
for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life
1John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Salvation is a gift not earned I believe the birth of water is the physical birth as we are in water in the womb.
Similar threads
