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  1. Danube

    Danube Active Member

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    I did.
    You also lied to me.
     
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    Did what? answer my questions? Not hardly.

    So, what writings in the Bible do you believe are inspired by God? And is Peter's writings inspired? If so, why don't you consider Paul's writings inspired and Scripture?

    Why are you scared to answer?

    Stranger
     
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    I have answered this question. Everyone with any integrity can go back and see I did.

    It doesn't matter to you though because I know you lied to me already so you need me to commit to some other premise about Paul that deflects the attention away from his account of himself (which is all it really is when you boil it down) being studied against how prior scripture tells the reader to know what is a genuine Holy spirit and also how Jesus SAYS he would reveal himself, after he ascended. You can continue to ignore this but you cannot pull (Paul?) the wool over my eyes.
    So yeah, keep on asking about Peter and Holy Scripture and being scared, fill your boots.
    That way you can avoid answering the points Ive been making that would even help you succeed in answering for Paul, convincingly.
    A liar has beget another liar.

    Paul did not SEE Jesus from east to west did he? He also had no genuine witness testimony that he had not writen or penned himself. Failed.
    But then I have yet to meet an honest Paulinist who can answer what you failed to either.
     
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    You have answered nothing. Is Peter's writings inspired by God and Scripture? If so, why not believe Paul's writings are Scripture? What writings in the Bible do you consider Scripture? I ask why you are scared to answer, but you and I both know why. You don't hold to any of the Bible as Scripture, as inspired by God.

    Wool over your eyes? That is like me asking a blind man if he needs to borrow my sunglases.

    Stranger
     
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    You clearly share Pauls vision.
    Hope you can SEE the ditch infront of you with those Pharisee sunglasses on.
     
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    Why do you wear that Christian name tag, yet don't believe the Bible is inspired by God and the Word of God?

    Stranger
     
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    Your split personality is showing.
    First you pretend to know me by assumptions, then ask for clarification showing you do not know me.
    Liar.
     
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    It's a simple question.

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    Q: Is Peter's writings inspired by God and Scripture?
    A: "Get behind me, Satan!" "You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

    Q: Why not believe Paul's writings are Scripture?
    A: Because Paul relies on a single event that is only recorded by his OWN witness testimony and which fits both God and Jesus' warning of false witness testimony.

    Q: What writings in the Bible do you consider Scripture?
    A: "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" however no one can honestly say what was thrown out by previous authorities (ie Constantine).
    I also stand before God with the conviction to admit my own limitations of understanding and of knowing words travelling from language to language use synonyms that can alter the meaning of passages, be paraphrased incorrectly and I am NOT claiming authority over any changes.
    Contradictions need addressing.
    Ie ..... John gives his warning also.
    1 John 4.1-4

    Q: Why you are scared to answer?
    A: I fear no man, I fear God, only you have assumed otherwise and you are not qualified to judge someone who you do not know if you have to ask them to second your assumption.
     
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    Does this mean you don't accept Peter's writings as inspired?
     
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    No.

    Satan is a character in the bible.....does the bible instruct us to become like satan?

    No.

    There are inspired writings throughout that clearly are meant to show the diligent reader the error of mind within the discourse of scripture (warts and all) specifically to drive a point home. This is why John included Peter' being rebuked by Jesus as did other apostles, so we could know what to expect and gauge our progress in his teaching.
    Some of the apostles were spiritually sick before they were chosen to walk with Jesus and the dialogue in the NT shows how they were healed from their sickness by Jesus.
    The early mistakes are given because this is where you learn a lesson and gain insight into what is being taught. Instructions are not always understood so a demonstration and careful rebuke can and does show the reader the how's and why's (so to speak).
    The apostles relate the events of Jesus' ministry but Jesus is the TEACHER and remains throughout.
    Pauls grace is left wandering in the wilderness with the already rebellious.

    Luke 6:40
    Matthew 10:24
    ..
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    So are Peters writings inspired by God and are the Word of God? If they are then why do you not accept Paul's writings as Scripture. What writings in the Bible do you consider Scripture? Why do you wear the Christian name tag when you are not?

    Peter says Paul's writings were Scripture. But you do not. Guess who I believe. It aint you.

    That is right, all Scripture is God breathed. But you haven't said what you consider Scripture. Why do you quote something Paul said when you don't believe Pauls writings are inspired by God and Scripture. How hypocritical you are.

    You're scared to answer because you have not yet answered. More smoke. Why do you wear that Christian tag? It does not become you.

    Stranger
     
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    Still repeating yourself.
     
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    Because you still don't answer.

    Why do you quote Paul when you say Paul was not inspired by God and his writings are not Scripture? That is not repeating myself. You just placed yourself as a hypocrite. But I will add it to the long list of questions you do not answer.

    So, what writings in the Bible do you consider Scripture? Is Peter's writings Scripture? If Peter's writings are Scripture, why aren't Paul's writings Scripture? Why do you quote Paul when Paul's writings are not Scripture? Why do you wear the Christian tag?

    So many questions you are scared to answer.

    Stranger
     
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    it isnt Pauls grace it is Christs grace so is Christ Rebellious?? that is what you are implying...
     
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    If you honestly believe lawless Paul gives a better account of the Christ (the appointed) than Jesus himself did during his own ministry and further told by the 12 apostles, then you are simply clinging to Pauls grace only.
     
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    You simply have no idea what Christ did, neither do you have any understanding of what Gods plan is, that is why so few know Him as they should, and why so many run after things they shouldn't.

    needles to say

    Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    not teh law and a stick....
     
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    Paul was not inspired by the same spirit.
    I made my position very clear.
    I have explained already that the bible must contain the balance of including the evil for the purpose of allowing the reader to see a clear distinction between the two modes of inspiration. Paul' works have helped me understand how the evil mind works and helped me identify parts of Christ' ministry that had to include the concepts of warning, caution over adversaries and the like.
    Much in the same way the Law shows what is sin, Paul gives his account to be clear in showing where lawlessness would take us by preaching grace.

    Paul has played his part in the Biblical narratives much in the same way as God allowed Edom to become ripe for destruction as he said they would.
    The diligent reader of the bible is not also being spotlighted by the false churches whose only dictate is to gain authority on biblical learning (imposing limitations) using earthly concepts like "paid membership" as a way of drawing from Christ.
    It is helpful to know but not to follow and to see how Paulinist thought should manifest itself in the present time.
    Today we have "churches" that supersede the authority given in the bible, that would show exactly the growth (yeast) of this particular Pharisees adherence (the growth of grace tempered with lawlessness).
    Everything I have ever learned from the bible has come via the instructions given contained within its cover, starting at the first page onwards, so naturally I should expect to find myself prepared for adversaries or naysayers heavily involved and having faith in the concepts given by commercial enterprises, like denomination churchianity.
    These authorities while claiming from Christ demand earthly treasure and seek earthly permission to do the work God has already commanded. So none of Pauls churches are built on rock.
    Jesus gave me the knowledge to understand the differences between the two opposing churches and temples he spoke about.

    Let the Holy Spirit and sincere prayer and obedience to God guide me away from where the Church would expect payment for upfront.
    No thanks.

    I have friends and family heavily involved in Methodism and CofE (accounting and finance) so I thank God I have eyes to see and ears to listen to both sides of this spiritual war.
    But I make my distinction known and already expect to be hated for my beliefs, many are unfairly yoked upon me by people who do not know me but are quick to judge. Par of the course.
     
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    To attribute evil to Paul's writings is to attribute evil to the work of the Holy Spirit. For Paul's writings are the writings of God through the Holy Spirit.

    (2 Peter 3:15-16) "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

    Note again, where Peter said, "the other scriptures". Pauls writings are Scripture, from God. Are Peter's? How about the book of (Acts)? Are Luke's writings inspired by God? More questions to add to my list of 'unanswered'.

    The spirit that is guiding you is not the Holy Spirit. You have not only believed a lie but are trying to teach a lie. Fill your cup.

    Stranger
     
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    Yes I can read that verse and see Peter even telling you the same as I have...

    "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

    Let me ask you oh thirsty one. What spirit guided the lie you gave to me?

    Was Peter ever told to love his enemies?

    Your hanging your whole belief on Peter to pay Paul. ok.
    Let's put it to the test.
    What did Jesus (related in John' account) show you where Peter would end up going?
    Did John relate Peter feeding Jesus flock as he was asked 3 times?

    Let us now see if you believe your teacher.
     
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