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Body and soul are destroyed in hell, said Jesus.

Oh, wait - JWs and SDA think hell is the grave and the soul sleeps with the body in the dirt.

How then can both body and soul be destroyed in the grave?

Hell obviously isn’t the grave.

And we are made up of body, soul, and spirit, so the spirit lives on, in hell.
The Bible teaches that Sheol(which is generally rendered in English translations as "hell") is the grave. The "hell" Christ spoke of in Matt. 10:28 is Gehenna, or "the lake of fire" as Revelation calls it. A wise person would look at the inspired Hebrew or Greek words to fully understand what is being taught instead of assuming they're right just because they lazily believe what uninspired translations say.

Also, the soul is not something a person has. As OP thoroughly proved, a living person/animal is a soul. Genesis does not show God cramming a soul into Adam or Eve. It literally teaches that God constructed those 2 from dirt and imparted physical life to them. As God said in Gen. 3, "you are dust".
My positionot interpretation is not privately held and is not my own, but is shared by hundreds of millions of Christians throughout the ages. Thanks again.
Just because millions of other professing Christians through the ages agreed with your position, it doesn't make that position true. The Bible determines what is true, not deceived people.

The Bible warns that many would be deceived by false doctrines. One of those false doctrines is the pre-Christian heathen idea that man has a soul that will exist forever, which is the same lie Satan told Adam and Eve and spread to the rest of humanity through the false religions that spawned from Babylon. Paul clearly taught in 1 Tim. 6 that God alone possesses eternal life. Paul also taught in 1 Cor. and Rom. that the only way a person can exist forever is if God imparts immortality to them with His Spirit. God made man of the dust so he can be permanently destroyed if he refuses to surrender himself to God's authority. Revelation speaks of unrepentant people dying a second and permanent death, not existing as disembodied beings away from God. By subscribing to such obviously false theology, you are by default disagreeing with the Source of truth.
You're a jw, you don't believe Jesus is God or that he bodily rose from the grave, and you preach another gospel, so I don't expect to agree with you on pretty much anything. Also, I stay away from cults.
You say you stay away from cults, but you confidently subscribe to the doctrines of heathen cults and philosophers. The irony is extremely palpable. Playing the "you're a cult member" card is a sure sign that you know you can't prove your own theology is supported by the Bible, in which case you should just humbly accept the correction instead of vainly defending an unbiblical position. Accepting correction doesn't mean you're telling everyone you're stupid; it just means you value truth and you want to learn. Intellectual vanity is precisely why a lot of "Christians" don't really believe or practice what the Bible teaches.
 
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The Bible teaches that Sheol(which is generally rendered in English translations as "hell") is the grave. The "hell" Christ spoke of in Matt. 10:28 is Gehenna, or "the lake of fire" as Revelation calls it. A wise person would look at the inspired Hebrew or Greek words to fully understand what is being taught instead of assuming they're right just because they lazily believe what uninspired translations say.

Also, the soul is not something a person has. As OP thoroughly proved, a living person/animal is a soul. Genesis does not show God cramming a soul into Adam or Eve. It literally teaches that God constructed those 2 from dirt and imparted physical life to them. As God said in Gen. 3, "you are dust".
Just because millions of other professing Christians through the ages agreed with your position, it doesn't make that position true. The Bible determines what is true, not deceived people.

The Bible warns that many would be deceived by false doctrines. One of those false doctrines is the pre-Christian heathen idea that man has a soul that will exist forever, which is the same lie Satan told Adam and Eve and spread to the rest of humanity through the false religions that spawned from Babylon. Paul clearly taught in 1 Tim. 6 that God alone possesses eternal life. Paul also taught in 1 Cor. and Rom. that the only way a person can exist forever is if God imparts immortality to them with His Spirit. God made man of the dust so he can be permanently destroyed if he refuses to surrender himself to God's authority. Revelation speaks of unrepentant people dying a second and permanent death, not existing as disembodied beings away from God. By subscribing to such obviously false theology, you are by default disagreeing with the Source of truth.
You say you stay away from cults, but you confidently subscribe to the doctrines of heathen cults and philosophers. The irony is extremely palpable. Playing the "you're a cult member" card is a sure sign that you know you can't prove your own theology is supported by the Bible, in which case you should just humbly accept the correction instead of vainly defending an unbiblical position. Accepting correction doesn't mean you're telling everyone you're stupid; it just means you value truth and you want to learn. Intellectual vanity is precisely why a lot of "Christians" don't really believe or practice what the Bible teaches.

Soul sleep is so easy to refute


The Bible makes it clear in 2 Corinthians ch. 5, that our body is only a home, that WE leave at death.


2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly HOUSE of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.


2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are AT HOME in the body, we are absent from the Lord:


2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be ABSENT FROM the BODY, , and to be PRESENT with the Lord.


Scripture further makes that clear that at salvation, the Holy Spirit comes into our house, the body, and changes it from just a house, into the TEMPLE of the Holy Spirit.


1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your BODY is the TEMPLE of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?


It further makes it clear that our body is a house when Jesus gives an example of a demon possessed man, who had a demon cast out of him, but the demon went out and got more demons, and returned to the man, and found his HOUSE swept clean, and moved right back in and brought the other demons with him, so that man was worse off than he was before.


Mat 12:43 When the unclean spirit is gone OUT OF a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

Mat 12:44 Then he saith, I will return into my HOUSE from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

Mat 12:45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they ENTER IN and DWELL there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.


In 1st or 2nd Kings, Elijah raises a dead boy. He stretched his body over the dead child and prayed three times for the dead child’s soul to come BACK into the child’s body. When the soul RETURNED to the body, the dead child came back to life.


The dead child’s soul wasn’t hanging around with the child’s body - the soul had LEFT and had to RETURN for the child to live again.


1Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's SOUL come into him again.

1Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the SOUL of the child CAME INTO HIM AGAIN, and he revived.


Then there’s the fact that hell was originally created for satan and his angels, not for man. Jesus made it clear that the same everlasting fire that condemned humans go to, was created for the devil and his angels.


Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the DEVIL and his ANGELS:


You think hell is the grave, yet it’s clear that hell is a PLACE that some of the fallen angels are in right now, in chains, awaiting judgment.


Jud 1:6 And the ANGELS which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting CHAINS under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Fallen angels are spirits - they have no BODIES to bury in the dirt, but yet they ARE in a place called HELL right now.


2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the ANGELS that sinned, but cast them down TO HELL, and delivered them into CHAINS of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Notice that they aren’t SLEEPING in hell, or they wouldn’t need to be chained to prevent their escape.


Soul sleep is absolutely wrong doctrine. You’ve been misled.


Before Jesus came, there were two compartments in the heart of the earth at that time. One compartment, called Abraham’s bosom, aka paradise, held all of the righteous dead, because no soul could go to heaven until Messiah atoned for sins.


It was separated by a great chasm from the torments compartment that the damned were put in, called Hell.


Jesus tells us about this in Luke 16 starting in verse 19.


When Jesus died His spirit descended into the heart, middle of the earth, and He preached to those spirits held in captivity there, most likely telling them He is Messiah and the Son of God who died for sins.


1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and PREACHED unto the SPIRITS in PRISON.


Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, HE LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE, and gave gifts unto men.

Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also DESCENDED first into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH?

Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)


When He rose from the dead he emptied out paradise and took their spirits with them, which is why many dead people also rose and went into the city, after His resurrection.


Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves AFTER HIS RESURRECTION , and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Now those who die in Christ go to heaven - He moved paradise from in the earth, to heaven because He atoned for sins.


John the revelator was caught up into heaven, and saw SOULS there.


Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the SOULS of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:


You think hell is the grave. It’s not. It’s a place in the earth that holds conscious beings in it, and when when every knee bows to Jesus on judgment day, even those in hell bow down.


Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and THINGS UNDER THE EARTH.

Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither UNDER THE EARTH, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.


Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, AND UNDER THE EARTH and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I SAYING , Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.


Hell is a place that Jesus said was originally created for satan and his fallen angels. And the damned are cast into that same place of everlasting fire.


Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

There are beings UNDER the earth who talk, thus are conscious - not buried in dirt while asleep in the grave. Revelation 5:13


Moses has died, but Moses’ soul isn’t taking a snooze in the dirt, because he visited Jesus on the mount of transfiguration. Mark 9:4


Soul sleep is simply wrong.
 
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Soul sleep is so easy to refute

Not really, because 100% of the people who go to hell, come out of it by the authority of Jesus Christ during his Millennial Reign.

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Rev 20:13 KJV)

If hell was really eternal, Jonah could not be deliver out of it. Of course, another way Satan sells an eternal hell is to get a person to deny the Resurrection. Where was Jesus resurrected from? If Jesus is God then his death and resurrection was a farce.

"so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:10-11)

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in the name of Jesus every knee should bend: For every intelligent creature in heaven and on earth, bending the knee “in the name of Jesus” means recognizing Jesus’ position and submitting to his authority.—See study note on Mt 28:19.

those under the ground: Apparently referring to the dead, who Jesus said are “in the memorial tombs.” (Joh 5:28, 29) When they are resurrected from the Grave, they too will need to submit to Christ’s authority and “openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.”—Php 2:11.
 

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Not really, because 100% of the people who go to hell, come out of it by the authority of Jesus Christ during his Millennial Reign.

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Rev 20:13 KJV)

If hell was really eternal, Jonah could not be deliver out of it. Of course, another way Satan sells an eternal hell is to get a person to deny the Resurrection. Where was Jesus resurrected from? If Jesus is God then his death and resurrection was a farce.

"so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground— and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." (Philippians 2:10-11)

Notes *
in the name of Jesus every knee should bend: For every intelligent creature in heaven and on earth, bending the knee “in the name of Jesus” means recognizing Jesus’ position and submitting to his authority.—See study note on Mt 28:19.

those under the ground: Apparently referring to the dead, who Jesus said are “in the memorial tombs.” (Joh 5:28, 29) When they are resurrected from the Grave, they too will need to submit to Christ’s authority and “openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.”—Php 2:11.
The damned are raised to be sentenced. There is no reprieve.
Every knee even of the damned will bow, they can’t help it when in Gods presence, but it doesn’t change their fate.
Try reading all the scriptures:
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are no second chances after that resurrection.

Don’t mislead people into hell by telling them there’s a second chance after they die.

There isn’t.
 

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The damned are raised to be sentenced. There is no reprieve.
Every knee even of the damned will bow, they can’t help it when in Gods presence, but it doesn’t change their fate.
Try reading all the scriptures:
Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

There are no second chances after that resurrection.

Don’t mislead people into hell by telling them there’s a second chance after they die.

There isn’t.

This is the Resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous that the Apostle Paul was speaking about. "And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15)

Look at the word used RESURRECTION. If people had a soul that was immortal, then there would be no need of a Resurrection. The teaching of the immortal soul comes from Satan who lied to Eve, "At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die."' (Genesis 3:4)

There is a second Chance, that's what the Resurrection is all about... you should be Appreciative and Thankful, but I know you are not. You could care less. Your Dead Loved Ones are coming back! They paid their wage...Death. Now they are Judged by their WORKS during Christ Millennial Reign with a Final Test when Satan and his hordes will be released at the end of the 1,000 years man!

When Hell is emptied of the righteous and unrighteous, then DEATH and Hell is DESTROYED by being cast into Gehenna, the lake of fire. “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” (Rev 30:14 KJV) Gehenna the second death is never Destroyed any one who sins after that Resurrection used up the sacrifice Jesus gave that was His Flesh and Blood as a perfect man.

So when a person dies once the Great Tribulation Begins, that's how it will be for all eternity. Now with that said, only those in HELL are resurrected. The righteous and unrighteous, however, the ones whom were marked "wicked" bypass hell and already died the second death that was meant for Satan and his hordes. There is No Resurrection of the Wicked...EVER!

You can have Faith in the Good News of the Resurrection.
‘For a Certainty God Made Him Lord and Christ’ (Part I)
‘For a Certainty God Made Him Lord and Christ’ (Part II)
 

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Can the soul die? SOUL = BODY + SPIRIT.

The Spirit is from God and returns when apart from the body. The body is made of star dust and most certainly can die. So, therefore, the soul can certainly die. We do not yet have an immortal soul, in a glorified body, but that happens on Judgment Day.

Hope this helps.
 

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where is this at and what exactly is star dust?

The planets are made from dust, specifically star dust. Not sure what you are asking ‘where is this at.’ My pastor gave that definition of soul.

In application, it works. It is said when a ship sinks that all souls perished. Soul cannot be separated from life in the body.

Also, not sure if you embrace soul sleep but think about the idea that everyone will be resurrected on Judgment Day. Life returns to the body. Life endowed or given by the Spirit of God.

It is my understanding that the moment we are aware after we die is Judgment Day - even if 1,000 or 10,000 years pass in between. (I know there is Scripture against as well as for this idea. By contrast, some thing we remain aware of the passage of time disembodied in a holding area)
 
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specifically star dust

I asked for the definition and elemental composition of 'star dust"

In application, it works. It is said when a ship sinks that all souls perished. Soul cannot be separated from life in the body.

What exactly do you think that means?

Also, not sure if you embrace soul sleep but think about the idea that everyone will be resurrected on Judgment Day. Life returns to the body. Life endowed or given by the Spirit of God.

What do you think that means also?

It is my understanding that the moment we are aware after we die is Judgment Day - even if 1,000 or 10,000 years pass in between.

That's beyond the scope of a single post
 

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I asked for the definition and elemental composition of 'star dust"



What exactly do you think that means?



What do you think that means also?

I get the impression you want to be spoon fed.

Friend, I gave you answers. I’m not going to explain the answers. You can research more on your own time and pray and meditate on them: definition and elemental composition of 'star dust"; What exactly does applying soul mean, etc.

You are engaging in an on-line conversation of applying theological principles. Yet, you do not grasp the definitions used. My catch phrase is to tell you to consult your favorite lexicon.

I hope this helps.
 

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Friend, I gave you answers. I’m not going to explain the answers.

The "responses" ( hardly a correct application of answer in context) were aloof, nebulous and not answering the points asked.

I submit your "not explaining' is a cover to avoid admitting that in fact you cannot answer them and you know it.

You are engaging in an on-line conversation of applying theological principles. Yet, you do not grasp the definitions used. My catch phrase is to tell you to consult your favorite lexicon.

Your 'definitions" are at best pseudo-scientific bordering on metaphysical mysticism rather than actual scripture
 

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This is the Resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous that the Apostle Paul was speaking about. "And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15)

Look at the word used RESURRECTION. If people had a soul that was immortal, then there would be no need of a Resurrection. The teaching of the immortal soul comes from Satan who lied to Eve, "At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die."' (Genesis 3:4)

There is a second Chance, that's what the Resurrection is all about... you should be Appreciative and Thankful, but I know you are not. You could care less. Your Dead Loved Ones are coming back! They paid their wage...Death. Now they are Judged by their WORKS during Christ Millennial Reign with a Final Test when Satan and his hordes will be released at the end of the 1,000 years man!

When Hell is emptied of the righteous and unrighteous, then DEATH and Hell is DESTROYED by being cast into Gehenna, the lake of fire. “And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” (Rev 30:14 KJV) Gehenna the second death is never Destroyed any one who sins after that Resurrection used up the sacrifice Jesus gave that was His Flesh and Blood as a perfect man.

So when a person dies once the Great Tribulation Begins, that's how it will be for all eternity. Now with that said, only those in HELL are resurrected. The righteous and unrighteous, however, the ones whom were marked "wicked" bypass hell and already died the second death that was meant for Satan and his hordes. There is No Resurrection of the Wicked...EVER!

You can have Faith in the Good News of the Resurrection.
‘For a Certainty God Made Him Lord and Christ’ (Part I)
‘For a Certainty God Made Him Lord and Christ’ (Part II)

I agree that when a person dies, God knowing the hearts and minds of everyone, will judge whether a person deserves a resurrection whether he/she is unrighteous or unrighteous. But I agree with BroRando and disagree with the immortality of the Soul doctrine because it's not in the scriptures. So these person's who have died are not resurrected back to life until the last day whenever that day God has scheduled for the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous
 
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I agree that when a person dies, God knowing the hearts and minds of everyone, will judge whether a person deserves a resurrection whether he/she is unrighteous or unrighteous. But I agree with BroRando and disagree with the immortality of the Soul doctrine because it's not in the scriptures. So these person's who have died are not resurrected back to life until the last day whenever that day God has scheduled for the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous

You know, I could never find the statement 'the soul never dies' in the Bible. If I asked for it once, I must have asked a million times. To this very day out of the Billions of trinitarians and modalists...100% of them have FAILED.

New International Version
For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.

New Living Translation
For all people are mine to judge—both parents and children alike. And this is my rule: The person who sins is the one who will die.

English Standard Version
Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Berean Study Bible
Behold, every soul belongs to Me; both father and son are Mine. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

King James Bible
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

New King James Version
“Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.

New American Standard Bible
Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

NASB 1995
“Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

NASB 1977
“Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

Amplified Bible
Behold (pay close attention), all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

Christian Standard Bible
Look, every life belongs to me. The life of the father is like the life of the son—both belong to me. The person who sins is the one who will die.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Look, every life belongs to Me. The life of the father is like the life of the son—both belong to Me. The person who sins is the one who will die.”

American Standard Version
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because all souls are mine. The soul of the father and the soul of the son, they are mine! The soul that sins, that shall die!

Brenton Septuagint Translation
For all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son, they are mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

Contemporary English Version
The lives of all people belong to me--parents as well as children. However, only those who sin will be put to death.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Behold all souls are mine: as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, the same shall die.

English Revised Version
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Good News Translation
The life of every person belongs to me, the life of the parent as well as that of the child. The person who sins is the one who will die.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The life of every person belongs to me. Fathers and their children belong to me. The person who sins will die.

International Standard Version
Look! Every living soul belongs to me—the father's as well as the son's. So pay attention! The person who keeps on sinning is going to die."

JPS Tanakh 1917
Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine; the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Literal Standard Version
Behold, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son—they are Mine, The soul that is sinning—it dies.

NET Bible
Indeed! All lives are mine--the life of the father as well as the life of the son is mine. The one who sins will die.

New Heart English Bible
Look, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins, he shall die.

World English Bible
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins, he shall die.

Young's Literal Translation
Lo, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son -- they are Mine, The soul that is sinning -- it doth die.

So when I quote a SCRIPTURE. The same ones say I am twisting the scripture. So I give them another translation. Then they claim the Bible is a fraud. Then why are you claiming to be a Christian I ask? Then it goes around and round to the same argument. The soul never dies..... they say. So I ask, have you ever consider the SOURCE?? Who made that statement in the Bible.

So Jesus never died and was resurrected? Scriptures state otherwise don't they??? Ummmm...which translation should I use?? Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #6
 
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You know, I could never find the statement 'the soul never dies' in the Bible. If I asked for it once, I must have asked a million times. To this very day out of the Billions of trinitarians and modalists...100% of them have FAILED.

New International Version
For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.

New Living Translation
For all people are mine to judge—both parents and children alike. And this is my rule: The person who sins is the one who will die.

English Standard Version
Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Berean Study Bible
Behold, every soul belongs to Me; both father and son are Mine. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

King James Bible
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

New King James Version
“Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.

New American Standard Bible
Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

NASB 1995
“Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

NASB 1977
“Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

Amplified Bible
Behold (pay close attention), all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.

Christian Standard Bible
Look, every life belongs to me. The life of the father is like the life of the son—both belong to me. The person who sins is the one who will die.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Look, every life belongs to Me. The life of the father is like the life of the son—both belong to Me. The person who sins is the one who will die.”

American Standard Version
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because all souls are mine. The soul of the father and the soul of the son, they are mine! The soul that sins, that shall die!

Brenton Septuagint Translation
For all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son, they are mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

Contemporary English Version
The lives of all people belong to me--parents as well as children. However, only those who sin will be put to death.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Behold all souls are mine: as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, the same shall die.

English Revised Version
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Good News Translation
The life of every person belongs to me, the life of the parent as well as that of the child. The person who sins is the one who will die.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
The life of every person belongs to me. Fathers and their children belong to me. The person who sins will die.

International Standard Version
Look! Every living soul belongs to me—the father's as well as the son's. So pay attention! The person who keeps on sinning is going to die."

JPS Tanakh 1917
Behold, all souls are Mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine; the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Literal Standard Version
Behold, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son—they are Mine, The soul that is sinning—it dies.

NET Bible
Indeed! All lives are mine--the life of the father as well as the life of the son is mine. The one who sins will die.

New Heart English Bible
Look, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins, he shall die.

World English Bible
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins, he shall die.

Young's Literal Translation
Lo, all the souls are Mine, As the soul of the father, So also the soul of the son -- they are Mine, The soul that is sinning -- it doth die.

So when I quote a SCRIPTURE. The same ones say I am twisting the scripture. So I give them another translation. Then they claim the Bible is a fraud. Then why are you claiming to be a Christian I ask? Then it goes around and round to the same argument. The soul never dies..... they say. So I ask, have you ever consider the SOURCE?? Who made that statement in the Bible.

So Jesus never died and was resurrected? Scriptures state otherwise don't they??? Ummmm...which translation should I use?? Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #6

Just as the Pharisees put there oral law first before Scripture therefore voiding the scriptures, the majority of the people today who listen to Christendom listen to counsels of men who go beyond what is written in the scriptures even though the scriptures say not to do this. They put what these imperfect men say before the true scriptural doctrines that are in the Bible. That's their choice, but just as the Pharisees were wrong for putting their oral law before Scripture, those that listen to Christendom and their religious leaders and go beyond what's written are just as wrong. The majority will probably continue down this path.
 

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Fallen angels are spirits - they have no BODIES to bury in the dirt, but yet they ARE in a place called HELL right now.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the ANGELS that sinned, but cast them down TO HELL, and delivered them into CHAINS of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
This is another example of a poor translation. A better translation (e.g. WEB) says:

For if God didn’t spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and committed them to pits of darkness to be reserved for judgment;​

This is the only place in the Bible that the word tartarus is used. The Online Bible Greek Lexicon describes it as:

1) the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer punishment for their evil deeds;

The Cambridge Bible notes says:

but cast them down to hell] Literally, cast them into Tartarus. The use of a word so closely bound up with the associations of Greek mythology is a phenomenon absolutely unique in the New Testament. A compound form of the same word had been used of Zeus as inflicting punishment on Cronos and the rebel Titans. (Apollodorus, Bibl. 1. 1.) Here it is used of the Almighty as punishing rebellious angels.​

So you can't use this verse to suggest that human souls don't 'sleep' in sheol/hades, because the verse is referring to angels (not humans) who have not died and are being held by God in another place, not in hades/hell.

Hell is a place that Jesus said was originally created for satan and his fallen angels. And the damned are cast into that same place of everlasting fire.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
That mentions live people being destroyed in fire - it's not talking about hades/hell. The fallen angels are being held in a dark pit, just as Satan will be:

Revelation 20 (WEB):
1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2) He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,
3) and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time.

How can a pit be bottomless? Perhaps because it is at the centre of the earth, where the only direction is up!

There are beings UNDER the earth who talk, thus are conscious - not buried in dirt while asleep in the grave.
Those dead humans under the earth, or sea, are not concsious:

Ecclesiastes 9 (WEB):
5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything, ...
10 ... for there is no work, nor plan, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol, where you are going.
 
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The "responses" ( hardly a correct application of answer in context) were aloof, nebulous and not answering the points asked.

Q. Can souls die?
A. Yes.

For some reason, you are contentious and divisive on this. Maybe it's because the answer is not what you want to hear.

Rather than admit this in a mature way, you pretend answers were not provided, skipping over the answer and being obtuse with the explanation of answer. What part of, "Yes, souls can die" do you not understand?

Regarding the explanation. Again, I defer you to your favorite lexicon to commune with the exact meaning dust, star dust and so forth.

Make a blessed day!
 

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For some reason, you are contentious and divisive on this. Maybe it's because the answer is not what you want to hear.

No, You are tap dancing around and avoiding ta direct answer. Go to 87 & 89 and review. Its not that I don't "hear"- its that you never answered any of it. Don't try to weasel out of something that's right there in print for all to see.

Regarding the explanation. Again, I defer you to your favorite lexicon to commune with the exact meaning dust, star dust and so forth.

I didn't ask a lexicon- I asked YOU where YOU got that definition you are "claiming" represents scripture.
 

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You're not getting it. It's eternal punishment... Not eternal punishing.
No actually by what's written, "eternal punishing" is closer to the meaning. In saying, "eternal torment", the torment is forever.

Much love!
 

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Q. Can souls die?

Ephesians 2:1-5 KJV
1) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Yes.

Much love!