Can the Soul Die?

[LTJMP14]

This very night the soul could be required . yes indeed . Let us cling to Christ and continue to learn our bibles well .
HOPE in the GLORIOUS LORD JESUS CHRIST . And loving every word He ever said . every Word of truth
is as honey to the taste of a lamb and it always will work good to the hearer and the doer . And lambs are hearers and doers .
FOR We are His workman ship created unto Good works . THE LORD is with the lambs . Let all that has breath praise
the glorious Lord . And keep reminding all about JESUS sayings and all things the apostels later taught . Keep feasting
on the bible and continue to point to Christ . LET THE LORD BE PRAISED .

Amen. Hallelujah.

 

[amigo de christo]

Someone consistently advancing unBiblical notions is about to be placed on 'ignore'.

Ye can point to JESUS , point to all His teachings and the teachings of the apostles and all biblilcal sound doctrine , But ye cant
make another do the same . AKA , all we can do is speak and type the truth . The rest is on them .
The lambs must do all out battle to contend for the truth . FOr this generation has been given unto many fables .
And the Harlot rests not . She is gathering all denomniations and even all religoins under her shade now .
WE must resist her lies by Faith IN CHRIST . Let us contend for the truth till the last and final breath .

 

[Brakelite]

When all the saved are safely inside the walls of Jerusalem as it descends from heaven to the earth, it is surrounded by all the wicked from all ages in history, and they are led by Satan in one last ditch attempt to actually try and take over the city. Fire them descends from heaven and takes them out. It eventually burns them up. Completely, after a time of suffering appropriate and in proportion to their sin. But in the end, they all die, cease to exist. This all takes place on the surface of the planet. Not in hell. Not in the center of the earth. But on the plains of the middle east. The fire eventually goes out. Because it runs out of fuel. When the final person dies, likely Satan himself and his angels, them death also dies. There is then no more death or sorrow. There is a new earth and a new heaven. The remains of those destroyed are then figuratively "ashes under our feet". God is not going to continue to work miracles day after day preserving the lives of mortal beings in order to inflict more pain while He inflicts upon himself the pain of having to tolerate their curses and the cries and their screams of suffering for ever. And somehow I don't think He wants us to have to witness it either. But hey, you guys seem to love that doctrine so much. It's as if you are looking forward to witnessing it. Yay, they are finally getting their just desserts!!! Yippee for our loving God!! Give em hell Lord!!! Keep defending the indefensible fellas, and don't forget to include it in your gospel, I'm sure you'll scare many people into the kingdom. And they will stay in the kingdom too and believe the God they serve is a tyrant that demands their obedience... Or else.
Sorry guys, but that isn't the God of the Bible. Ask Him. Seriously. Ask Him what He thinks of eternal torment.

 

[Brakelite]

This is a first for me... I have NEVER heard the topic of hell debated before... I simply thought everyone understood and believed that both heaven and hell are permanent... obviously I was wrong.

"Please Report Heresy"

 

[Addy]

It's as if you are looking forward to witnessing it.

I am indeed looking forward to it... but not for the reasons you have described... I am looking forward to God's JUSTICE...
I am choosing to embrace God's HOLINESS... and the PRECIOUS BLOOD of CHRIST.
One day... all my pain and sorrow will be gone... and it is because I will be with CHRIST.... who bore my sin... as well as all
the sins of the world... Again... I will state.... many Christians do NOT understand the preciousness of Christ's blood... It's like
they take it for granted. That blood is the ONLY reason everyone is NOT going to hell to endure eternal torture.

Rejecting that blood is the unforgivable sin... I am sorry that you cannot see this. I am absolutely OK 100% with whatever GOD
believes is JUST.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The word “soul” in the Bible is a translation of the Hebrew word neʹphesh and the Greek word psy·kheʹ. The Hebrew word literally means “a creature that breathes,” and the Greek word means “a living being.” Many Bible translations render the words neʹphesh and psy·kheʹ differently according to the context, using words such as soul, life, person, creature, or body.

"And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

Adam wasn't given a soul as many religions teach, but rather, Adam, Became a Living Soul. Notice how others translated this verse @ (Genesis 2:7) | New International Version Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

• Young's Literal Translation And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature.
• American Standard Version And Jehovah God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
• World English Bible Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
• NWT And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person.

The punishment for disobedience was Death, not an eternal life of punishment. "But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” (Genesis 2:17)

• "In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”(Genesis 3:19)
• “The soul that sinneth, it shall die.” —Ezekiel 18: 4, 20, King James Version.

“Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.” (Exodus 31:14 KJV)

Note: Although many Bible translations use the terms “dead body” or “dead person” in some verses, the original Hebrew uses the word neʹphesh, or “soul.”


Many Religions teach that the soul never dies. It that was true, then the Resurrection would be an unnecessary act.

• Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” (John 11:23-25)
• The Apostles Paul also stated, "And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a Resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15) Is There Hope for the Dead?

Well your big problem is that you are looking a just Hebrew and ancinet beliefs and not looking at ALL OF SCRIPTURE. GOD HAS PROGRESSIVELY REVEALED FROM CREATION TO JOHN WRITING THE REVELATION, TRUTHS THAT HAD BEEN BEOFRE UNKNOWN.

Until the time of David, believing saints had no knowledge of the after life, but with David and solomon, god began revealing that when a body dies, the person does not cease to exist.

Hebrew had no word for soul uniquely so nephesh (breath or wind) was the word used. Greek does and Paul used them often.

Soma=body, Pseuche=soul, pneuma=spirit. Also the NT cleary and explicitly teaches that when the body dies the believer goes to be with teh Lord while the unbeliever goes to the place of torments awaiting final judgment in the lake of fire.

 

[jessiblue]

Let’s consider
Ezek 28:18
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
jb

 

[Addy]

@Backlit... I read the post... and made this comment on the other thread... I removed it and placed it here.. as I did not realize I had been transported to another thread...so you explained what an annihilationist was. I have never heard of this until NOW.

Ok... now I am starting to remember... I did not read past the first sentence calling yourself an annihilationist... I remember making the comment about swallowing something whole... and spitting out the buttons...

I don't see this as you do... obviously... but I can tell that you are passionate about your opinion. I am HUMBLE... however... I will not apologize for stating that I am GOOD with what God calls justice.... I will not double down on you for what you believe... I just don't understand how people can pick and choose which parts of God's nature they are ok with. I am good with all of it... this doctrine of eternal torment does not offend me in the least... because I know God is JUST. Again.. this boils down to people not understanding the OFFENCE of rejecting the blood of Christ. We don't have a clue how serious this offence is.

 

[farouk]

@Backlit... I read the post... and made this comment on the other thread... I removed it and placed it here.. as I did not realize I had been transported to another thread...so you explained what an annihilationist was.

Ok... now I am starting to remember... I did not read past the first sentence calling yourself an annihilationist... I remember making the comment about swallowing something whole... and spitting out the buttons...

I don't see this as you do... obviously... but I can tell that you are passionate about your opinion. I am HUMBLE... however... I will not apologize for stating that I am GOOD with what God calls justice.... I will not double down on you for what you believe... I just don't understand how people can pick and choose which parts of God's nature they are ok with. I am good with all of it... this doctrine of eternal torment does not offend me in the least... because I know God is JUST. Again.. this boils down to people not understanding the OFFENCE of rejecting the blood of Christ. We don't have a clue how serious this offence is.

@Addy "Precious, precious blood of Jesus
Shed on Calvary,
Shed for rebels,
Shed for sinners,
Shed for me."

1 Peter 1.18-19: "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot".

 

[LTJMP14]

When all the saved are safely inside the walls of Jerusalem as it descends from heaven to the earth, it is surrounded by all the wicked from all ages in history, and they are led by Satan in one last ditch attempt to actually try and take over the city. Fire them descends from heaven and takes them out. It eventually burns them up. Completely, after a time of suffering appropriate and in proportion to their sin. But in the end, they all die, cease to exist. This all takes place on the surface of the planet. Not in hell. Not in the center of the earth. But on the plains of the middle east. The fire eventually goes out. Because it runs out of fuel. When the final person dies, likely Satan himself and his angels, them death also dies. There is then no more death or sorrow. There is a new earth and a new heaven. The remains of those destroyed are then figuratively "ashes under our feet". God is not going to continue to work miracles day after day preserving the lives of mortal beings in order to inflict more pain while He inflicts upon himself the pain of having to tolerate their curses and the cries and their screams of suffering for ever. And somehow I don't think He wants us to have to witness it either. But hey, you guys seem to love that doctrine so much. It's as if you are looking forward to witnessing it. Yay, they are finally getting their just desserts!!! Yippee for our loving God!! Give em hell Lord!!! Keep defending the indefensible fellas, and don't forget to include it in your gospel, I'm sure you'll scare many people into the kingdom. And they will stay in the kingdom too and believe the God they serve is a tyrant that demands their obedience... Or else.
Sorry guys, but that isn't the God of the Bible. Ask Him. Seriously. Ask Him what He thinks of eternal torment.

That is a very unbiblical and extra-biblical rant that will cost you dearly. You've added to the words of the Apocalypse, which is forbidden. Caveat to any that adds to the words of the Apocalyptic prophesy: God will surely add unto you the plagues that are in the book of the prophetic Apocalypse.

 

[Wrangler]

Can you read? Can you comprehend the English language?

I was wondering the same thing about you.

I asked YOU where YOU got that definition you are "claiming" represents scripture.

My pastor gave that definition of soul.

You are not answering questions. But you are being argumentative and insulting. This tells me what you won’t admit; it’s not about your failure to understand WHAT, the explanation.

You don’t like the answer, which is souls can die.

 

[jessiblue]

Psalm 1:6
6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Psalm 92:7
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:

Matthew 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Philippians 3:19
19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

James 4:12
12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?
. . .

So when you see the words destroy, perish, destruction, perdition and death, they mean exactly what they mean.

Being tortured forever in fire for all eternity is certainly not being destroyed, perishing or death. What many churches have done is that they have taken the biblical concept of eternal punishment and replaced it with the Greek influenced doctrine of eternal punishing. Punishment and punishing are two different things. They also don't understand that our Father in His wrath is a consuming fire, as both the Old and New Testaments claim.

-jb

 

[farouk]

Psalm 1:6
6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Psalm 92:7
7 When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:

Matthew 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Philippians 3:19
19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Hebrews 10:39
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

James 4:12
12 There is one Lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. Who are you to judge another?
. . .

So when you see the words destroy, perish, destruction, perdition and death, they mean exactly what they mean.

Being tortured forever in fire for all eternity is certainly not being destroyed, perishing or death. What many churches have done is that they have taken the biblical concept of eternal punishment and replaced it with the Greek influenced doctrine of eternal punishing. Punishment and punishing are two different things. They also don't understand that our Father in His wrath is a consuming fire, as both the Old and New Testaments claim.

-jb

@jessiblue The Lord Jesus Himself indicated repeatedly that the fires of hell are not quenched.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Let me settle that for you: I'm not a fundamentalist. /s/

cute but I never made that accusation

 

[BroRando]

@Backlit... I read the post... and made this comment on the other thread... I removed it and placed it here.. as I did not realize I had been transported to another thread...so you explained what an annihilationist was. I have never heard of this until NOW.

Ok... now I am starting to remember... I did not read past the first sentence calling yourself an annihilationist... I remember making the comment about swallowing something whole... and spitting out the buttons...

I don't see this as you do... obviously... but I can tell that you are passionate about your opinion. I am HUMBLE... however... I will not apologize for stating that I am GOOD with what God calls justice.... I will not double down on you for what you believe... I just don't understand how people can pick and choose which parts of God's nature they are ok with. I am good with all of it... this doctrine of eternal torment does not offend me in the least... because I know God is JUST. Again.. this boils down to people not understanding the OFFENCE of rejecting the blood of Christ. We don't have a clue how serious this offence is.

Jesus gave witness to the Samarian woman at the well that God was One Nature. The Bible itself states that "God is not a man" (Numbers 23:19)

God is a Spirit, and those worshipping HIM MUST worship with SPIRIT and TRUTH. (John 5:24) Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the FATHER with SPIRIT and TRUTH, for indeed, the FATHER is looking for ones like these to worship HIM. (John 4:23)

 

[Curtis]

This is another example of a poor translation. A better translation (e.g. WEB) says:

For if God didn’t spare angels when they sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and committed them to pits of darkness to be reserved for judgment;​

This is the only place in the Bible that the word tartarus is used. The Online Bible Greek Lexicon describes it as:

1) the name of the subterranean region, doleful and dark, regarded by the ancient Greeks as the abode of the wicked dead, where they suffer punishment for their evil deeds;

The Cambridge Bible notes says:

but cast them down to hell] Literally, cast them into Tartarus. The use of a word so closely bound up with the associations of Greek mythology is a phenomenon absolutely unique in the New Testament. A compound form of the same word had been used of Zeus as inflicting punishment on Cronos and the rebel Titans. (Apollodorus, Bibl. 1. 1.) Here it is used of the Almighty as punishing rebellious angels.​

So you can't use this verse to suggest that human souls don't 'sleep' in sheol/hades, because the verse is referring to angels (not humans) who have not died and are being held by God in another place, not in hades/hell.


That mentions live people being destroyed in fire - it's not talking about hades/hell. The fallen angels are being held in a dark pit, just as Satan will be:

Revelation 20 (WEB):
1) And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2) He seized the dragon, the old serpent, which is the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole inhabited earth, and bound him for a thousand years,
3) and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years were finished. After this, he must be freed for a short time.

How can a pit be bottomless? Perhaps because it is at the centre of the earth, where the only direction is up!


Those dead humans under the earth, or sea, are not concsious:

Ecclesiastes 9 (WEB):
5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything, ...
10 ... for there is no work, nor plan, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol, where you are going.

What hell is called in different scriptures is irrelevant, because whatever term you call it by, it’s still the place of EVERLASTING FIRE that the people damned by Jesus are put, that was originally created for Satan and his angels:

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Thus no matter what title you put on it, both angels (spirits with no bodies), and people who are damned, are put in the same place after judgment - and since angels have no bodies to sleep in the dirt, it cannot possibly be the grave, but it is a place that currently has some angels chained there, to prevent their escape.

I realize that’s a very inconvenient fact for soul sleepers, but so is the fact that Moses died, and his body sleeps in the dirt, but Moses’ soul or spirit, appeared to Jesus on the mount of transfiguration.

Shalom Aleichem

 

[BroRando]

What hell is called in different scriptures is irrelevant, because whatever term you call it by, it’s still the place of EVERLASTING FIRE that the people damned by Jesus are put, that was originally created for Satan and his angels:

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Thus no matter what title you put on it, both angels (spirits with no bodies), and people who are damned, are put in the same place after judgment - and since angels have no bodies to sleep in the dirt, it cannot possibly be the grave, but it is a place that currently has some angels chained there, to prevent their escape.

I realize that’s a very inconvenient fact for soul sleepers, but so is the fact that Moses died, and his body sleeps in the dirt, but Moses’ soul or spirit, appeared to Jesus on the mount of transfiguration.

Shalom Aleichem

Here's the inconvenient truth for eternal hell proclaimers. Hell of a sudden becomes temporary.

“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.” (Rev 20:13 KJV)


Notice they aren't ALIVE but DEAD... another inconvenient truth...

“And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.”(Acts 24:15 KJV)

Those who are Jesus Christ deniers continue to Lie about him.

 

[Earburner]

As C. S. Lewis correctly said: "You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body."

The soul is eternal and does not sleep or enter unconsciousness with the body that dies, but goes where the body it once filled desired it to go. For some, to the Lord; and others, to a place of separation and suffering. The Bible tells us that after Lazarus died, his spirit returned to him, and the young girl as well, and the boy being carried away to his burial, too. Since the souls/spirits of these physically dead returned to them, where did they go and from where did they come before returning into their once dead bodies? Moreover, Jesus tells of the rich man suffering in a place separated by a great divide. Of course this was the rich man's soul/spirit that was crying out for a touch of water: it is conscious suffering.

I believe you just contradicted your reference of Lewis.

 

[Earburner]

Apart from the presence of the Lord Jesus' Holy Spirit within a person, it is impossible to have eternal life of any kind after physical death.

 

[LTJMP14]

I believe you just contradicted your reference of Lewis.

How so? Lewis believed as I: the body dies; the soul is eternal.