Can you be pro-choice and still be a Christian?

[Truman]

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

It’s 100% true. You just demonstrated it in this thread just as you have done numerous times in the Holy Spirit thread

No and no matter how many times you wish it, it just aint so

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Yes you rebuttals are so profound. Ad Hominems are what people do that cannot give a cogent response. You seem to be a specialist in that field since every post is a personal attack. You never discuss the scriptures in question and when you do on rare occasions its your opinion which is eisegesis which is not an apologetic.

No, I post relevant information as required to establish the relevant point. I just don't generally repeat myself or get bogged in circular discussions.

Your arguing in circles or false claims doesn't change the facts of the matter. You hide behind claiming "attacks" to cover the weakness of your position and things you don't like.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

No, only the Republicans among them.

Does that mean then you support the socialists?

Ever get a job from a poor person?

 

[ChristisGod]

No, I post relevant information as required to establish the relevant point. I just don't generally repeat myself or get bogged in circular discussions.

Your arguing in circles or false claims doesn't change the facts of the matter. You hide behind claiming "attacks" to cover the weakness of your position and things you don't like.

You mean irrelevant.

 

[Josho]

You tell me.

Your question evokes memories of photographs I first saw as a child, when I was too young to truly understand why none of those men in the crowd did anything to stop the lynching of that young black man. The photograph showed them all as they proudly gathered around for a group photo with a dead black man hanging from a tree.

Now I understand: they all supported the murder of someone they hated simply because of the color of his skin. Those that stood around and watched are as guilty as those that put the noose around that young man's neck and those that yanked that rope until that man was high off the ground.

Can abortion be forgiven? Jesus said one sin only is unpardonable. But that's not the question here. The question here is: Can you be one among the crowd supporting the murder of the unborn and still be a Christian?

See post #30.

Your example is obviously murder to all people.

However while we both agree abortion is murder, not everyone sees it as murder because they have a wrong belief about when life begins or what is a life and that is one of the problems.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

So you can be a murderer and a Christian at the same time ?

Not according to Scripture.

As usual, you have an incorrect context and understanding.

First abortion CAN (not always is) can be murder ( defined as the unlawful taking of a life)

So we will focus on just the ones that constitute murder.

Murder is a sin and one of the most serious of the flesh but in terms of salvation (entrance into eternal life only and not any other thing) any sin meets that same criteria. (break one part- convicted of it all). The wages of "sin" is death ( any of them not covered by the blood)

Now, Christians do sin ( no qualifier on type or quantity) and those sins are covered. They will bring various fleshly punishment or other atonement as God may deem fit and affect reward but not remove salvation.

Its that simple.

 

[LTJMP14]

If you can put the jack back in the box, go for it.
We need a compromise (no, I'm not saying a Christian should compromise their beliefs) that we all can live with.
Otherwise, we will see a civil war.
The way things are going, it's not going to make a difference what any of us think.
It is my contention that there are forces that are turning us against each other.
When one is standing in the woods, they can't see the shape of the forest.

We are in a civil war, though not armed men vs other armed men - no yet. It is a civil war for the souls of those that are perishing, not only the unborn but the unsaved. The more souls reached by a conviction of the Holy Spirit through the proclamation of the good news of Jesus Christ, the greater chance of more loving civility in our acrimoniously and hate-filled uncivil society.

 

[LTJMP14]

See post #30.

Your example is obviously murder to all people.

However while we both agree abortion is murder, not everyone sees it as murder because they have a wrong belief about when life begins or what is a life and that is one of the problems.

Unfortunately, my example was not considered murder to all people. In fact, there are many in the USA today that still view blacks as animals, as less than human or not fully human. Even among some so-called Christian denominations, the black man was viewed as not equal for a very long time. For example: seventh day adventists leader Ellen G. White believed the African black population were the result of amalgamation between man and beast. She was later antislavery and advocated for the African American, but never abandoned her segregationist beliefs that blacks should stay among blacks. The Mormons/LDS believed Africans were the result of the curse of Cain, and did not allow blacks into their church role of preacher or teacher until the late1970's.

 

[Grailhunter]

First abortion CAN (not always is) can be murder ( defined as the unlawful taking of a life)

Is this an intent to deceive? Civil law does not over ride Christ.
Murder is unjustified killing. How can a baby deserve to be killed. What sin could be worse than a mother murdering her own baby. Words are words....lets put it in motion...an abortion doctor that has taken a oath to do no harm gets up in the morning, has his coffee and breakfast and goes to work to murder babies. Everyday...day in and day out. What kind of heart can do that? Human? Demon?

Murder is a sin and one of the most serious of the flesh but in terms of salvation (entrance into eternal life only and not any other thing) any sin meets that same criteria. (break one part- convicted of it all). The wages of "sin" is death ( any of them not covered by the blood)

Now, Christians do sin ( no qualifier on type or quantity) and those sins are covered. They will bring various fleshly punishment or other atonement as God may deem fit and affect reward but not remove salvation.

This is the doctrine of the Devil. OSAS trash. The day you are saved is not judgment Day. You will find it nowhere in the Bible.
What you will find in the Bible is that all will appear on Judgment Day and account for their deeds.
What you will find in the Bible is a list of sins that will prevent you from inheriting the kingdom of God.
You are not going to find that salvation is a license to sin.
You are not going to find that all manner of evil will end up in heaven.

Your average Christian will likely show up on Judgment Day with few sins to account for, because they have repented, and asked forgiveness for those sins and those sins are forgiven and forgotten.

But you do not get forgiveness for unrepented sins. You cannot repent of something you intend to keep doing. Lifestyle sins are the ones that will get you to hell.

It is not a matter of losing your salvation....it is a matter of Christian that will find themselves in hell because they believed the devil who told them that as long as they believe in Christ they can sin all they want.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Is this an intent to deceive? Civil law does not over ride Christ.
Murder is unjustified killing. How can a baby deserve to be killed. What sin could be worse than a mother murdering her own baby. Words are words....lets put it in motion...an abortion doctor that has taken a oath to do no harm gets up in the morning, has his coffee and breakfast and goes to work to murder babies. Everyday...day in and day out. What kind of heart can do that? Human? Demon?

No, its a fact in spite of your melodrama. 2 situations that come to mind are a case where the choice is of the mother of the child. The second is in case of rape.

This is the doctrine of the Devil. OSAS trash. The day you are saved is not judgment Day. You will find it nowhere in the Bible.

You have a totally defective understanding of Salvation.

 

[amadeus]

No, only the Republicans among them.

Best wishes, 2RM.

What do I know about Republicans and Democrats? What do I know about men who I have not met? What do I know even about those who I have met?

Can I trust any man carrying the label, Republican? How about the label of a Democrat? How about the label of a Christian? Does the label alone describe definitely what is in anyone's heart? What is it that God ponders upon which He makes His judgement of a man?

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

Are we better able to ponder the heart of any man than God? Should we render final judgement based on our pondering?

 

[2ndRateMind]

Capitalism has done more to end world hunger and lead to the feeding of the current population boom Than communism has ever done. All You have to do is look at what happened in the communist states in the last century to see this and the mass killings done in these countries.

From where on Earth and under Heaven do you get the idea that I ever was, am now, or ever shall be, a communist?

The most I will admit to is the belief that we Christians should be Christian, and feed the hungry and succour the poor, and be properly grateful if we have the means to do that.

 

[Grailhunter]

No, its a fact in spite of your melodrama. 2 situations that come to mind are a case where the choice is of the mother of the child. The second is in case of rape.



You have a totally defective understanding of Salvation.

People like you hate the facts and what the Bible has to say on the topic. It is just as simple as that.

 

[LTJMP14]

No, its a fact in spite of your melodrama. 2 situations that come to mind are a case where the choice is of the mother of the child. The second is in case of rape.



You have a totally defective understanding of Salvation.

You get to play God when a child is conceived in the womb? Says who?

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

People like you hate the facts and what the Bible has to say on the topic. It is just as simple as that.

Its people like you who don't understand the facts or what Scripture says that are the issue.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

You get to play God when a child is conceived in the womb? Says who?

Actually God does as he gives us authority to make laws and govern and make those "command decisions". I have been in the position and made the decisions on who lived and dies before so it happens. (Even unfortunately in the case of a child)

Oh well, when you support a church that continues to pay out billions of $$$ to satisfy pedophilia and rape committeed against thousands of vulnerable children under your care, by bishops, priests, et al, it's no wonder you support murdering those that are the most vulnerable: the unborn.

On this I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't support any "man's" church (denomination) specifically and especially the one you are referencing. I think you got the wrong person here.

 

[LTJMP14]

Actually God does as he gives us authority to make laws and govern and make those "command decisions". I have been in the position and made the decisions on who lived and dies before so it happens. (Even unfortunately in the case of a child)



On this I have no idea what you are talking about. I don't support any "man's" church (denomination) specifically and especially the one you are referencing. I think you got the wrong person here.

First, I apologize. I did have the wrong person re: the second paragraph. Now edited.

Secondly, while God has gifted man the ability to come together and form governments, the glory of God is seen in man's governance. When unjust laws are enacted, laws that are contrary to God's nature, there is no righteousness in command decision that uphold unjust laws that bring no glory to God because those unjust laws are anathema. For example: Art. I, Section 2(3) of the U.S. Const., Jim Crow, separate but equal, anti-miscegenation laws, abortion, homosexual marriage, banning prayer in public, banning Christian displays in public, recognizing transgender rights, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Grailhunter]

Its people like you who don't understand the facts or what Scripture says that are the issue.

All you have to do is read the Bible and tell the truth.
And I know that people have given the scriptures to you but the Bible means nothing to you and the OSAS crowd.

 

[David H.]

From where on Earth and under Heaven do you get the idea that I ever was, am now, or ever shall be, a communist?

The most I will admit to is the belief that we Christians should be Christian, and feed the hungry and succour the poor, and be properly grateful if we have the means to do that.

I Was not accusing you of being a communist, I was making a point that capitalism is not the evil you make it out to be. Proper free market capitalism prospers the whole world and feeds the poor, so much so that population is now a problem. Abortion rates will go down when we have a proper national revival and large parts of the population are not fornicating out of wedlock.