We are saying that the sacrifice only covers past sins and those done in ignorance
Romans 7:15-17 KJV
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. [16] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. [17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Paul goes on like this for another 8 verses... He was a pretty good Christian, by the way.
I know its kind of confusing, but here is what he was saying: he knew that there were certain things he shouldn't do and he did them anyway. There were things he knew he should do, but didn't do them. He even hated some things that he did, and did them anyway, and he was speaking about sin and the law.
So its clear he wasn't in ignorance when he did them. Furthermore, he was speaking in present tense, so it wasn't past sins he was talking about. And in the end, he wonders who will save him from this and thanks Jesus. Never did he speak of repenting of them (as some typically think repenting means) or abstaining from them.
When Jesus said that about forgiving 70 times 7, he said that if someone asked for forgiveness 70 times 7, we were to forgive them. It was not automatic. He never said we must forgive them if they never repent, and that is the issue here
Yes, in THAT verse(s), that is true. But not so in Matthew 6:12, 14-15. Part of this is "the Lord's" prayer (as some call it). In that we do ask for forgiveness (of debts), but it says nothing of forgiving others only if they ask. We are just told to forgive them.
I mean, seriously... How cold of a heart do you have to not forgive someone unless they ask? My goodness! How many marriages would fail if we only forgave our spouses if they asked? I think God is probably more forgiving than we are. God's ways are higher than man's; not lower!
I am all for repenting in that it needs to be done. But done the right way, just once.
By the way, if you want to talk about wilful sins, be careful on what verse you use! I know where most people go and it never works for them.
I also want to repeat what I said earlier. I gave scripture that proves that a person in a lifestyle of sin shall not inherit the Kingdom of God, and it makes no exception for someone who got saved at some point in their life.
Let me guess...1 Corinthians 6:9-10. Am I right? I have already shown those verses don't say that when you read in proper context. I did so in this thread, but no one really wanted to discuss or debate it, so why try again to show it?
WELL, BECAUSE ITS SO MUCH FUN AND SO LIBERATING AND ITS THE TRUTH, THATS WHY!!!
1 Corinthians 6:7-12 KJV
Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded? [8] Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
There is the real problem Paul was upset at! Defrauding [not everyone] the brethren: those of like precious faith. It has very little to do with the list we are about to read.
[9] Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, [10] Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Ok. Amen. I agree. But let us read on...
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11] And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
Yes, without grace those things will keep you out, but with grace you ARE washed (not "were" washed), you ARE sanctified (not "were" sanctified) and ARE... well, you know the rest. These are present tense... It never says they stopped being these things.
[12] All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.
That's a powerful verse right there! He said all things ARE lawful. Since he gave a laundry list two or three verses before, I strongly think he was talking about those things... Begrudgingly, perhaps, but he was.
Yes, I see what he wrote after that in the verse and in the rest of the chapter, and I agree with him.
These things are covered by grace, but that doesn't mean we should do them ever, and especially to the brethren. But to try to use these verses to say grace won't cover all sins is wrong. Paul actually said just the opposite.