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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
I already did - Paul exercising his rights as a Roman citizen to stand trial in Rome.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Acts 16:37
But Paul said to the officers: “They beat us publicly without a trial, even though we are Roman citizens, and threw us into prison. And now do they want to get rid of us quietly? No! Let them come themselves and escort us out.”
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Would you turn your other cheek as Jesus commanded?
Matthew 5:39 (NKJV)
[sup]39 [/sup]But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Um...Paul is exercising his rights as a Roman citizen
Acts 22:25
As they stretched him out to flog him, Paul said to the centurion standing there, “Is it legal for you to flog a Roman citizen who hasn’t even been found guilty?”
Guess you missed my question. Would you turn your other cheek as Jesus commanded?
Matthew 5:39 (NKJV)
[sup]39 [/sup]But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
Matthew 5:39 (NKJV)
[sup]39 [/sup]But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Of course - but out of love, not because I am giving up my rights. Look - your absolute language has backed you into a corner - just admit that Christians do not need to give up ALL their rights to get to heaven and I will let you off the hook
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
well, I am afraid I am not able to type in braille - since you appear to be blind to the fact that in both verses Paul is exercising his rights as a Roman citizen, You might have to wait a long time before braille is available over the internet.
Jesus let them kill him.
1 Peter 2:21-23 (NKJV)
[sup]21 [/sup]For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: [sup]22 [/sup]"Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth"; [sup]23 [/sup]who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously;
1 Peter 2:21-23 (NKJV)
[sup]21 [/sup]For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: [sup]22 [/sup]"Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth"; [sup]23 [/sup]who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously;
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Philippians 1:21-23 (NKJV)
[sup]21 [/sup]For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. [sup]22 [/sup]But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. [sup]23 [/sup]For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.
2 Timothy 4:6-8 (NKJV)[sup]6 [/sup]For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure is at hand. [sup]7 [/sup]I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. [sup]8 [/sup]Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.
Am curious to hear from those who say they adhere to the teachings of the Word as far as homosexuality but still believe homosexuals should be supported in doing whatever they feel they have the right to...
Hawley church cuts ties with ELCA
Hawley Lutheran Church will split from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America after members voted overwhelmingly Sunday to leave the denomination.
The vote was the culmination of a yearlong debate sparked in part by the ELCA’s 2009 decision to allow gay clergy members who are in same-sex relationships. Previously, the church had permitted gay clergy but required them to remain celibate. In the same year, the ELCA also adopted a controversial statement on human sexuality that opponents said moved the church out of line with biblical teachings.
The decision left the hiring of gay clergy at the discretion of member churches but drew strong reactions nonetheless. Hawley Lutheran began internal debate on the issue in October 2009.
In May 2010, the 1,100-member church held its first vote on leaving the ELCA, which drew support from 58 percent of participants but fell short of the two-thirds majority needed to pass. In September, the church held another vote to leave, which passed with 73 percent support. Sunday’s vote – which passed 239-60 – completed the departure.
Hawley Lutheran pastor Jeff Teeples said he’s glad to be done with the process, which he said was a difficult one.
“Now, we can move forward,” he said.
Hawley Lutheran is one of several area churches that have left the ELCA – the largest Lutheran denomination in the United States with 4.5 million baptized members – after the gay clergy decision. That backlash has produced its own backlash. After Hawley Lutheran’s September vote to leave, one Forum letter-writer sarcastically derided the move as out of step with Jesus’ teachings.
But Teeples said his church’s decision to leave had as much to do with advancing ministry and following Scripture as it did with the sexuality issues.
In a statement issued Sunday, he said it “grieves us that people have associated our decision to leave the ELCA with intolerance, contempt and bigotry, because these attitudes are not the attitude of Jesus, who we follow and love, and not the attitudes we teach or would want to exhibit.”
Instead, he said in the statement, the decision to leave “unites us to stand upon the Bible as the final authority in all matters of our faith and life and to proclaim Jesus as the Savior of the world.”
The church will join Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ, a denomination with a focus on Scripture that formed earlier this decade in response to concerns about the direction of the ELCA. Since the ELCA decision on gay clergy, it has become something of a harbor for former ELCA churches, picking up hundreds of new congregations.
Opponents of Hawley Lutheran’s departure said they’re disappointed but saw the move coming. Floyd Synstelien, a former pastor at the church who voted to stay with the ELCA, said he didn’t think the debate was a fair one because church leaders favored leaving.
He said proponents of the split were effective in convincing the congregation the ELCA was flawed beyond repair.
“It’s disappointing, but we’ll move on,” he said.
Next Sunday, he said he and his wife – Hawley Lutheran members for nearly two decades – will join another Lutheran church.
Hawley church cuts ties with ELCA
Hawley Lutheran Church will split from the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America after members voted overwhelmingly Sunday to leave the denomination.
The vote was the culmination of a yearlong debate sparked in part by the ELCA’s 2009 decision to allow gay clergy members who are in same-sex relationships. Previously, the church had permitted gay clergy but required them to remain celibate. In the same year, the ELCA also adopted a controversial statement on human sexuality that opponents said moved the church out of line with biblical teachings.
The decision left the hiring of gay clergy at the discretion of member churches but drew strong reactions nonetheless. Hawley Lutheran began internal debate on the issue in October 2009.
In May 2010, the 1,100-member church held its first vote on leaving the ELCA, which drew support from 58 percent of participants but fell short of the two-thirds majority needed to pass. In September, the church held another vote to leave, which passed with 73 percent support. Sunday’s vote – which passed 239-60 – completed the departure.
Hawley Lutheran pastor Jeff Teeples said he’s glad to be done with the process, which he said was a difficult one.
“Now, we can move forward,” he said.
Hawley Lutheran is one of several area churches that have left the ELCA – the largest Lutheran denomination in the United States with 4.5 million baptized members – after the gay clergy decision. That backlash has produced its own backlash. After Hawley Lutheran’s September vote to leave, one Forum letter-writer sarcastically derided the move as out of step with Jesus’ teachings.
But Teeples said his church’s decision to leave had as much to do with advancing ministry and following Scripture as it did with the sexuality issues.
In a statement issued Sunday, he said it “grieves us that people have associated our decision to leave the ELCA with intolerance, contempt and bigotry, because these attitudes are not the attitude of Jesus, who we follow and love, and not the attitudes we teach or would want to exhibit.”
Instead, he said in the statement, the decision to leave “unites us to stand upon the Bible as the final authority in all matters of our faith and life and to proclaim Jesus as the Savior of the world.”
The church will join Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ, a denomination with a focus on Scripture that formed earlier this decade in response to concerns about the direction of the ELCA. Since the ELCA decision on gay clergy, it has become something of a harbor for former ELCA churches, picking up hundreds of new congregations.
Opponents of Hawley Lutheran’s departure said they’re disappointed but saw the move coming. Floyd Synstelien, a former pastor at the church who voted to stay with the ELCA, said he didn’t think the debate was a fair one because church leaders favored leaving.
He said proponents of the split were effective in convincing the congregation the ELCA was flawed beyond repair.
“It’s disappointing, but we’ll move on,” he said.
Next Sunday, he said he and his wife – Hawley Lutheran members for nearly two decades – will join another Lutheran church.
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