Christians and Jews are both anti Acts 2:38.

[Jim B]

Nope, remission is not equal to forgiveness.

God can forgive an act of sin, but to remit one's sins spans everything and makes one appear to God, free from even future sins.

One's sins -- all of them -- are forgiven because of Christ's sacrifice. All anyone has to do is believe that Jesus' sacrifice applies to them personally and they are saved.

Romans 10:8-9, "But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we preach), because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

 

[Truther]

One's sins -- all of them -- are forgiven because of Christ's sacrifice. All anyone has to do is believe that Jesus' sacrifice applies to them personally and they are saved.

Romans 10:8-9, "But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we preach), because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."

See?

You skipped Acts 2:38 again!

 

[Jim B]

See?

You skipped Acts 2:38 again!

Acts 2:38 is -- ready? -- ONE VERSE! You are building a false doctrine on one verse only (actually, just part of one verse). I take the teachings of the Bible as a whole. I suggest that you do the same!

You're setting yourself up as some kind of authority, but it's your eyes only. Doctrinally, you are wrong!

I suggest that you read the Bible without the clear purpose of trying to sound like you're the authority on doctrine.

 

[Truther]

Acts 2:38 is -- ready? -- ONE VERSE! You are building a false doctrine on one verse only (actually, just part of one verse). I take the teachings of the Bible as a whole. I suggest that you do the same!

You're setting yourself up as some kind of authority, but it's your eyes only. Doctrinally, you are wrong!

I suggest that you read the Bible without the clear purpose of trying to sound like you're the authority on doctrine.

Acts 2:38 is not a false doctrine.

It is the lone plan of salvation.

You skipped Acts entirely and took sinners to Romans 10(saints mail), then told them the affirmation to the saints to remain saved is the new plan of salvation(by even posting the letter written to the saved saints that previously obeyed Acts 2:38).

Any Bible enthusiast knows that is wrong, whether they admit it or not.

 

[Jim B]

Acts 2:38 is not a false doctrine.

It is the lone plan of salvation.

You skipped Acts entirely and took sinners to Romans 10(saints mail), then told them the affirmation to the saints to remain saved is the new plan of salvation(by even posting the letter written to the saved saints that previously obeyed Acts 2:38).

Any Bible enthusiast knows that is wrong, whether they admit it or not.

Your repetition is getting very tiresome! One out-of-context verse is "the lone plan of salvation"? I won't respond anymore to your obsession. You're clearly wrong, though you can't see it.

 

[Truther]

Your repetition is getting very tiresome! One out-of-context verse is "the lone plan of salvation"? I won't respond anymore to your obsession. You're clearly wrong, though you can't see it.

I think what you may be trying to say is Peter is irrelevant per Acts 2:38 in modern times, correct?

 

[Jim B]

I think what you may be trying to say is Peter is irrelevant per Acts 2:38 in modern times, correct?

No, incorrect.

 

[teamventure]

I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins on Oct 7, 1979 on a Sunday night by Pastor Joe ....

I literally felt my sins leave me and a lifting sensation occurred as I praised God in the water.

This born again experience is a "feeler".

You are leaving out the part about repentence for the remission of sins, water baptism without repentence would not save anyone, the irony is that leaving out repentence would mean that you are anti-acts, hypothetically.

 

[Truther]

You are leaving out the part about repentence for the remission of sins, water baptism without repentence would not save anyone, the irony is that leaving out repentence would mean that you are anti-acts, hypothetically.

There is no such thing as "repentance for the remission of sins".

It say this...

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You cannot skip the middle.

 

[teamventure]

There is no such thing as "repentance for the remission of sins".

It say this...

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

You cannot skip the middle.

I wasn't implying repentence for the remission of sins I was quoting that part of the verse.
That said, baptism is an outward expression of our faith not required for salvation that would not be compatible with the rest of scripture and would add works to salvation.

"For if you confess with your lips Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead" and
"Those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
It takes faith, the thief on the cross was saved by believing Christ, Jesus didn't say, "well, you have to get down off of your cross and get baptized."

 

[Truther]

I wasn't implying repentence for the remission of sins I was quoting that part of the verse.
That said, baptism is an outward expression of our faith not required for salvation that would not be compatible with the rest of scripture and would add works to salvation.

"For if you confess with your lips Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart God raised him from the dead" and
"Those who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."
It takes faith, the thief on the cross was saved by believing Christ, Jesus didn't say, "well, you have to get down off of your cross and get baptized."

You quoted Acts 2:38 backwards and inside out.

I saw that.

Obey it....

38....and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.....

ASAP.

 

[teamventure]

You quoted Acts 2:38 backwards and inside out.

I saw that.

Obey it....

38....and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.....

ASAP.

I quoted nothing backwards, my quote was a partial quote, two very different things.
You haven't given an answer to the rest of the scriptures I provided.

 

[Truther]

I quoted nothing backwards, my quote was a partial quote, two very different things.
You haven't given an answer to the rest of the scriptures I provided.

If you do a partial quote, don't leave out the middle without indicating it is left out so we can see you aren't joking.

 

[mailmandan]

Danthemailman, I do not get satisfaction from calling out your sin.
I am doing this to open your eyes to your deceitful manipulative debating practices.

Your debating practices resemble a cunning lawyer. You are always looking for an indictment. Whatever it takes!

You Lied to me, Danthemailman!

You implied you were not in the Baptist sect. You intentionally mislead me. We both know why!

False. I did not lie to you.

You know the Baptist church is not the church in the new testament.
That is why you are ashamed to tell me you are a Baptist.

There it is! That is the sales pitch I remember from the so called church of Christ that I attended several years ago.

I looked up your Abundant Life Church. You intentionally left off one key word!

Abundant Life BAPTIST Church,
Mid Atlantic Conservative Baptist Association

Man up! Admit you are a Baptist, Repent Dan.

I have nothing to repent of here but you still need to repent and believe the gospel. You seem to be obsessed with the Baptist church. Do you consider them to be your rival?

John the Baptist HAS NO CHURCH!
You are the guilty one! You are not in the Lords Church, Romans 16:16

I never said John the Baptist had a church and the name "Baptist" is linked to the practice of baptism as a symbolic representation of a believer's identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Its laughable that you believe your church is the true church simply because of its name!

How can you say the church bears no name?
The founder of the church is its identity.
The founder is the builder
The founder is the Head of His church.

The true church is the body of Christ that is made up of all genuine born again, Christians (Colossians 1:18,24) regardless of where they attend church.

⁹Matthew 16:18-19

The church has been named, Ephesians 3:15
From whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named.

The church belongs to Christ and thus wears the name of Christ,
He built it,.
He is the head, Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of the wife as also CHRIST is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body.

He purchased it with His blood, Acts 20:28.

This is why it is identified as the church of Christ by Paul, Romans 16:16.
Why not just call the church what it is?

As the bride of Christ, the church wears the name of Christ,
2Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

We also see the name "church of God" in scripture. Now there is a church today named the church of God. So, are we to assume it's the one and only true church simply because of its name?

Ephesians 5:24-32
Therefore just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their husbands in everything.
Husbands love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.

Peter taught that salvation is in a name,
Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Salvation is in the name of Christ and not simply in a name slapped on the front of a church building. You bought into the CoC sales pitch hook, line and sinker!

Christ is the only name by which we are saved.
His church is the church of Christ.

In Romans 16:16, yes. Paul is talking about the body of Christ here (made up of all genuine believers) and not the church building where you attend on Sunday.

Since only the saved are IN Christ's body, which is His church.
You are not in the body of Christ.
Therefore you are not IN Christ where all the saved are.
Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church: and He is the SAVIOR OF THE BODY.

Do I have to be in your church to be saved Dan. You already told me NO.
You are in a church that is non-essential to being saved IN Christ. Therefore not necessary.
Sad to be married to the wrong Bridegroom.

You have bought into the CoC sales pitch and remain deceived.

It was a friend who invited me to attend the church of Christ several years ago and his aunt was a very devout and thoroughly indoctrinated member of the church of Christ. (like yourself) I'll never forget several years later running into my friend's aunt at my friend's daughter's birthday party. Since then, I had received Jesus Christ through faith and was now a born-again Christian. I shared this good news with his aunt and the only question that she had for me was, "where do you attend church?" When my answer was not "the church of Christ," she bowed her head in sadness as if to imply that I was still lost because I did not say the church of Christ and she simply walked away.

After that her husband approached me and I shared the good news with him as well that I had received Jesus Christ through faith and am now a born-again Christian and he had the same question, "where do you attend church," and when I told him and the answer was not the church of Christ, his eyes glazed over followed by a cheesy legalistic grin on his face and he simply walked away from me and neither of them would speak with me for the rest of the night. I knew that something was terribly wrong! I could hear them both over in the corner going on and on about "salvation by water baptism" and that ONLY their church, "the church of Christ" is the "true church."

 

[Titus]

Your debating practices resemble a cunning lawyer. You are always looking for an indictment. Whatever it takes!

False. I did not lie to you.

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There it is! That is the sales pitch I remember from the so called church of Christ that I attended several years ago.

I have nothing to repent of here but you still need to repent and believe the gospel. You seem to be obsessed with the Baptist church. Do you consider them to be your rival?

I never said John the Baptist had a church and the name "Baptist" is linked to the practice of baptism as a symbolic representation of a believer's identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Its laughable that you believe your church is the true church simply because of its name!

The true church is the body of Christ that is made up of all genuine born again, Christians (Colossians 1:18,24) regardless of where they attend church.

We also see the name "church of God" in scripture. Now there is a church today named the church of God. So, are we to assume it's the one and only true church simply because of its name?

Salvation is in the name of Christ and not simply in a name slapped on the front of a church building. You bought into the CoC sales pitch hook, line and sinker!

In Romans 16:16, yes. Paul is talking about the body of Christ here (made up of all genuine believers) and not the church building where you attend on Sunday.

You have bought into the CoC sales pitch and remain deceived.

It was a friend who invited me to attend the church of Christ several years ago and his aunt was a very devout and thoroughly indoctrinated member of the church of Christ. (like yourself) I'll never forget several years later running into my friend's aunt at my friend's daughter's birthday party. Since then, I had received Jesus Christ through faith and was now a born-again Christian. I shared this good news with his aunt and the only question that she had for me was, "where do you attend church?" When my answer was not "the church of Christ," she bowed her head in sadness as if to imply that I was still lost because I did not say the church of Christ and she simply walked away.

After that her husband approached me and I shared the good news with him as well that I had received Jesus Christ through faith and am now a born-again Christian and he had the same question, "where do you attend church," and when I told him and the answer was not the church of Christ, his eyes glazed over followed by a cheesy legalistic grin on his face and he simply walked away from me and neither of them would speak with me for the rest of the night. I knew that something was terribly wrong! I could hear them both over in the corner going on and on about "salvation by water baptism" and that ONLY their church, "the church of Christ" is the "true church."

All one needs to do is go to Abundant Life Church website like I did.
They are Baptist.
Calling a church non-denominational doesn't make it non-denominational just like calling yourself the church of Christ doesn't make a church the church in the new testament.

 

[Titus]

In Romans 16:16, yes. Paul is talking about the body of Christ here (made up of all genuine believers) and not the church building where you attend on Sunday

Quote me teaching a physical building is the church?

 

[mailmandan]

All one needs to do is go to Abundant Life Church website like I did.
They are Baptist.
Calling a church non-denominational doesn't make it non-denominational just like calling yourself the church of Christ doesn't make a church the church in the new testament.

Do you need further proof that my church is non-denominational?



Regardless, whether you choose to label my church as non-denominational or Baptist makes no difference to me. As long as it's a Bible believing church with solid doctrine (which it is). Praise God!

I agree that calling yourself the church of Christ doesn't make a church the church in the new testament.

 

[mailmandan]

Quote me teaching a physical building is the church?

I was simply clarifying since you place such a heavy emphasis on the name "church of Christ."

 

[Titus]

You have bought into the CoC sales pitch and remain deceived

I've studied multiple religions and tried to convince myself God does not exist.
I've studied multiple denominational doctrines.
I've studied the Bible plan of salvation on my own.
I came to my own conclusions based on my own study of the Scriptures.

You have no right to make stuff up about me in how I chose to be just a Christian alone.
No one tricked me into believing anything.
I am very skeptical by nature.

For example.
I've never had any trust in main stream medicine. Even though all my family and friends do.
I've never been a conformist. I since a kid, was the last in my family or school to believe what authority figures told me to believe.
This got me into constant trouble. Back in my schooling I literally got physically paddled, whipped, spanked for refusing to do what I was told at least once a month.
I got my physically paddled more than nearly any other student in all grades from elementary ton to high school.
I went to public school my whole life by the way. All my teachers had no religious ties to the church my parents attended.
They did not even know my family was religious.
Growing up I quit caring about christian religion by the age of 11. I studied eastern religions and was focused on eastern martial art philosophy because God was of no interest to me.

I never learned anything from junior high to high school in church because I paid no attention to anything or anyone. I literally had zero interest. I could not tell you anything the preacher said or anything that was taught in Bible class. I was totally ignorant of my parents beliefs.
No one ever forced me to believe anything.
Those years were spent focused on self. I cared nothing about God. I was essentially a heathen with some eastern religious pagan beliefs but not spiritual just carnal aspects of self perfection through martial arts training.

When I did become religious towards spiritual matters it was through my own personal study.
I detested the idea of following blindly what my father believed because I at the time did not like or love my Dad. This had nothing to do with the church of Christ.
It was his refusal to let me train in martial arts any day of the week.
I was a very self centered person. I disliked anyone who got in the way of what mattered to me.

I first chose eastern religions. But the more I studied taoism, buddhism, Hinduism, the more I thought they were stupid.
I was obsessed with self, being a very selfish person. So naturally eastern philosophy appealed to me.
These religions are all about self.
This is why carnal self centered people like hollywood celebrities praise eastern religions but hate christianity.
It's also why they love going to psychiatrists. Ever studied psychiatry?
Many of the founders got their ideas from eastern thinking.
Carl Jung 1875-1961
William James 1842-1910
Eric Fromm 1900-1980
R.D. Laing 1927- 1989
Abraham Maslow 1908- 1970

Finally, suffering led me out of selfishness into reality. Self enlightenment is impossible. Literally impossible.
The more you look inwards to find enlightenment.
If your honest. The more you realize you dont know.
This harsh reality hit me like a truck. I am inadequate to find within self enlightenment.
The answer had to lie outside of self.
That search for enlightenment leads only to Jesus Christ.

John 14:6,
- I am the way the truth and the life no one comes to the Father except through Me

Jeremiah 10:23,
- O Lord I know that the way of man is not in himself it is not in man that walketh to direct his own steps

Ecclesiastes 12:13,
- Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; fear God and keep His commandments for this is the whole duty of man

Proverbs 9:10,
- The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge of the holy is understanding

Psalm 111:10,
- The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom a good understanding have they that do His commandments


You can accuse me all you want of being a mindless indoctrinated tool.
Those who grew up around me would never describe me as a person who is easily manipulated.

You don't know me.
I dont know you.
That's why I don't make empty accusations of why you became what you became.
In fact I've praised you and still do for being a free thinker and leaving catholism.
Which almost no Catholics do. That shows you think for yourself.
That is why you are a conservative not a mindless liberal lemming.

 

[Titus]

heavy emphasis on the name "church of Christ

Wrong. The emphasis must be on doctrine. The doctrine that is practised and preached is what proves if the local church truly is the church of Christ.
Not the sign on the meeting house.