Coincidences? Or Time to WATCH be READY for the Day and Hour Is Near

[Ronald Nolette]

Let's see. There are 144,000 from the 12 tribes and they are sealed which means they are believers. They are redeemed FROM THE EARTH. They are BEFORE THE THRONE IN HEAVEN.

If you don't want to call it raptured, we can call it caught up to heaven. The are first fruits meaning they have been harvested as 1st fruits and are presented to the throne.

It makes them believers! Not part of teh body of christ.

Pre Mosaic Law saved are believers, Jews under the law that are saved are believers, but they are not part of the body of Christ either.

Remember jesus told Peter He will build His church, future! The church is the body of Christ and we are gone by the events of the sixth seal.

 

[David in NJ]

It makes them believers! Not part of teh body of christ.

Pre Mosaic Law saved are believers, Jews under the law that are saved are believers, but they are not part of the body of Christ either.

Remember jesus told Peter He will build His church, future! The church is the body of Christ and we are gone by the events of the sixth seal.

i have to go now - will respond later = thank you

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Not when we are going by Peter's words.

The dodge was moving to a grammar excuse why you deny the Word of God.

Well as grammar is essential to understand the word of God your argument is void of any sense!

God created grammar so we can communicate with understanding and clarity. so yes what the words mean and how they are used are essential to knowing the Word of God!

The fact you do not know that is very very troubling.

 

[The Light]

It makes them believers! Not part of teh body of christ.

Pre Mosaic Law saved are believers, Jews under the law that are saved are believers, but they are not part of the body of Christ either.

Remember jesus told Peter He will build His church, future! The church is the body of Christ and we are gone by the events of the sixth seal.

Gone by the events of the 6th seal? No, the Chruch is gone before the seals are opened.

 

[The Light]

The vials don't happen until after Satan's 42 months, and so does Armageddon. The 7th Trumpet starts to sound before Satan is even given 42 months if at all.

You declare Armageddon is a done deal, and the Second Coming has not even happened yet.

Yes, the Kingdoms are declared Christ's, before Satan is given 42 months. How else does Satan lay claim to that throne, if Jesus has not even set it up yet?

The wrath of God is finished at the 7th trumpet. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. There is a judgement of the dead etc. What you see in the vials happens in the same time frame as the trumpets.

 

[The Light]

Also, the harvest in Revelation 14 is a direct result of the 7th Trumpet,

Absolutely not. Revelation 13 and 14 takes place in the seals. Wrath is over at the 7th trumpet. Then we get another view of the seals(tribulation) and the wrath of God when the vials begin and end.

 

[Timtofly]

Well as grammar is essential to understand the word of God your argument is void of any sense!

God created grammar so we can communicate with understanding and clarity. so yes what the words mean and how they are used are essential to knowing the Word of God!

The fact you do not know that is very very troubling.

I have yet to see you present any grammar, which is troubling, because if you go by grammar, you accept a lot of things God's Word does not even say.

 

[Timtofly]

The wrath of God is finished at the 7th trumpet. The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord. There is a judgement of the dead etc. What you see in the vials happens in the same time frame as the trumpets.

I agree that the 7th Trumpet may sound for 7 days and 42 months. But the vials are poured out during the last 3 days of the 7th Trumpet sounding.

The same 3.5 days, the last half of the week, the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem. The 42 months split the week of the 7th Trumpet's sounding.

In the midst of the week is when Satan gets booted from heaven having only a short time on earth.

Armageddon is on a Sunday from 5 to 6 pm. 6pm is the end of the week of the 7th Trumpet. The Millennium starts the evening and morning of the next day, Monday.

 

[The Light]

I agree that the 7th Trumpet may sound for 7 days and 42 months. But the vials are poured out during the last 3 days of the 7th Trumpet sounding.

The same 3.5 days, the last half of the week, the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem. The 42 months split the week of the 7th Trumpet's sounding.

In the midst of the week is when Satan gets booted from heaven having only a short time on earth.

Armageddon is on a Sunday from 5 to 6 pm. 6pm is the end of the week of the 7th Trumpet. The Millennium starts the evening and morning of the next day, Monday.

Sorry brother but none of this is correct. When the 7th trumpet sounds, that end of the story. THE KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD. That's it. There is no 42 months left. It is the time of judgement.

Rev 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The 7th seal is the wrath of God and begins at the 1st trumpet and ends at the 7th trumpet. The wrath of God itself lasts for a year.

 

[Timtofly]

Absolutely not. Revelation 13 and 14 takes place in the seals. Wrath is over at the 7th trumpet. Then we get another view of the seals(tribulation) and the wrath of God when the vials begin and end.

Why do you not acknowledge that Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 confirm Jesus and the angels are on the earth for the final harvest after the Second Coming?

You cannot combine the Seals and the Trumpets and the Thunders. The Trumpets cannot start until the Lamb's book of life is opened. It cannot open until the 7th Seal is opened. That is why 144k Israelites are sealed prior to the 7th Seal opened. They are the last ones protected from being removed from the Lamb's book of life. The goats are removed during the Trumpets. The tares are removed during the Thunders. Neither the church nor Israel will be on earth during the 7 Thunders. That is why they are sealed, and will not be revealed until the 6th Trumpet sounds. They are for the last harvest before victory is declared at the 7th Trumpet.

Revelation 13 is for the gleanings if there are any left. The longer the Second Coming is withheld, the less chance there is there will be 42 months of gleanings called the AoD.

You are steamrolling the events into a single event. That is not from God's Word, but private human interpretation.

 

[Timtofly]

Sorry brother but none of this is correct. When the 7th trumpet sounds, that end of the story. THE KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD ARE BECOME THE KINGDOMS OF OUR LORD. That's it. There is no 42 months left. It is the time of judgement.

Rev 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

The 7th seal is the wrath of God and begins at the 1st trumpet and ends at the 7th trumpet. The wrath of God itself lasts for a year.

Those verses do not say what you are declaring. All souls on earth have been accounted for at the 7th Trumpet, but some are still alive. They are either killed at the end of the week of the 7th Trumpet, or 42 months later if Satan is allowed 42 months. Revelation 13 is after Revelation 10 and 11, not prior to.

The 7th Trumpet is Daniel 9:27. A set of 7 days, and that is the week that is split in half for Satan's AoD. We know that because the last 3.5 days is when the 2 witnesses lay dead during the last 3 days of the week of the 7th Trumpet. They are ressurected on the morning of the day Armageddon takes place. Then all those in Jerusalem travel to Armageddon.

 

[The Light]

Why do you not acknowledge that Matthew 13 and Matthew 25 confirm Jesus and the angels are on the earth for the final harvest after the Second Coming?

You'll have to give more information. Additionally, Jesus comes at the 6th seal and remains in the clouds.

You cannot combine the Seals and the Trumpets and the Thunders.

I'm not combining them. The seals happen. Jesus returns in the clouds at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. The trumpets happen in order.

The Trumpets cannot start until the Lamb's book of life is opened.

Do you have scripture for that statement?

It cannot open until the 7th Seal is opened.

Do you have scripture for that?

That is why 144k Israelites are sealed prior to the 7th Seal opened. They are the last ones protected from being removed from the Lamb's book of life. The goats are removed during the Trumpets.

Scriptures that support this?

The tares are removed during the Thunders. Neither the church nor Israel will be on earth during the 7 Thunders. That is why they are sealed, and will not be revealed until the 6th Trumpet sounds. They are for the last harvest before victory is declared at the 7th Trumpet.

The Church will not be on earth before the seals are opened. The 12 tribes seed of the woman will be raptured at the 6th seal. Those in the nation of Israel that fled to a place of protection will remain on earth until Jesus returns and sets His feet on the Mount of Olives.

Revelation 13 is for the gleanings if there are any left. The longer the Second Coming is withheld, the less chance there is there will be 42 months of gleanings called the AoD.

Revelation 13 takes place in the seals.

You are steamrolling the events into a single event. That is not from God's Word, but private human interpretation.

You must be confusing me with someone else. I believe the Church is raptured before the seals are opened. I believe the see of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth are raptured at the 6th seal. Jacob had two brides. The wrath of God begins when the 1st trumpet is blown after the 7th seal is opened. That is not a single event.

 

[ewq1938]

You'll have to give more information. Additionally, Jesus comes at the 6th seal and remains in the clouds.

Except scripture shows Christ still in heaven opening the 7th seal. He went nowhere when opening the 6th seal. Like in the gospels, the 6th seal just describes the second coming. It doesn't happen just because it is being described.

Description of the second coming, but the coming does not take place at this time:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Description of the second coming, but the coming does not take place at this time:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

You might notice that many of the same things appear in the Olivet discourse that also appear in the 6th seal! They are the same events and are all given by Christ BUT in neither passage are the events happening during the description! They are prophecies of future events.

 

[Timtofly]

You'll have to give more information. Additionally, Jesus comes at the 6th seal and remains in the clouds.

I'm not combining them. The seals happen. Jesus returns in the clouds at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. The trumpets happen in order.

Do you have scripture for that statement?

Do you have scripture for that?

Scriptures that support this?


The Church will not be on earth before the seals are opened. The 12 tribes seed of the woman will be raptured at the 6th seal. Those in the nation of Israel that fled to a place of protection will remain on earth until Jesus returns and sets His feet on the Mount of Olives.

Revelation 13 takes place in the seals.

You must be confusing me with someone else. I believe the Church is raptured before the seals are opened. I believe the see of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth are raptured at the 6th seal. Jacob had two brides. The wrath of God begins when the 1st trumpet is blown after the 7th seal is opened. That is not a single event.

Revelation 5 claims the book cannot be open until the Seals are loosed.

"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof."

The book has been sealed since Genesis 1:1.

You keep changing around the order of Revelation. Why do you do that?

Where is your Scriptural basis? At the 6th Seal is when Jesus places His feet on the mount of Olives per Zechariah 14.

The Trumpets will not start until the 7th Seal is removed.

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."

The Trumpets were not even given until the 7th Seal was opened. They could not have sounded during the Seals.

The Second Coming is the 5th and 6th Seal. The 144k are with Jesus on the earth after they are sealed. They don't ever leave the earth, unless Satan is given 42 months. Jesus does not leave Jerusalem unless He hands the throne over to Satan in the midst of the week of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Jesus is on the throne in Jerusalem when the point is made that now all kingdoms on earth are now under His authority.

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

Jesus sets up His throne at the 6th Seal. Jesus does not leave that throne until the midst of the week of the 7th Trumpet. Or not. Satan is not just handed the kingdom. Satan is only given control if there are still souls who will be beheaded instead of receiving the mark. The mark is not even in existence until after the 7th Trumpet. Revelation 13 happens after Revelation 11.

You have only your opinion and no Scripture to back up your claim that the 7th Trumpet happens during the Seals.

Revelation 8 does not say that. You contradict what John wrote.

 

[Timtofly]

Except scripture shows Christ still in heaven opening the 7th seal.

Except you never give a verse that states that.

The 4th Seal is about war. So the coming to the Mount of Olives is that war. The 4th Seal is the tribulation of those days. The Trumpets are the GT.

Jesus and the angels are on earth, when that sign happens. You think there is a virtual Jesus and virtual angels that appear on earth, as declaring in the next instant the real deal shows up?

The thief in the night moment does not have a virtual thief in the night rehearsal, so even Satan will be prepared when the actual event happens. You cannot virtually destroy every thing by surprise. That would take away the surprise when everything is literally destroyed.

The only sign of the Second Coming is the actual Second Coming. Jesus does not destroy and change earth's geographic makeup twice. People don't get to virtually experience and then a short time later actually experience it. What is the point?

 

[The Light]

Except scripture shows Christ still in heaven opening the 7th seal.

No you are incorrect. Jesus comes for the harvest and then returns to heaven which is exactly why you see a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7.

He went nowhere when opening the 6th seal. Like in the gospels, the 6th seal just describes the second coming. It doesn't happen just because it is being described.

Description of the second coming, but the coming does not take place at this time:

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Description of the second coming, but the coming does not take place at this time:

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

You might notice that many of the same things appear in the Olivet discourse that also appear in the 6th seal! They are the same events and are all given by Christ BUT in neither passage are the events happening during the description! They are prophecies of future events.

Wow. That's a weak argument. None of the events of Matthew 24, Revelation 6 or any of the trumpets and vials have occurred. They are all descriptions of events that take place in the future.

 

[The Light]

You keep changing around the order of Revelation. Why do you do that?

I am not changing the order of Revelation. Go read Genesis 7. How many times does Noah load the animals? How many floods are there? Are there three floods or one flood. Revelation reads just like Genesis 7. There is one tribulation and one wrath of God, but you are given two views just like you are given 3 views of the flood in Genesis 7.

Revelation reads like this. The opening the seals is the 70th week of Daniel. The seals fall in order. You can go to Matthew 24 and see first six seals. The four horsemen of the Apocalypse are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24. The fifth seal happens during the great tribulation. Jesus returns at the 6th seal. From that point the tribulation is OVER. (Immediately after the tribulation of those days.....) After the tribulation is over, the wrath of God will begin when the 1st trumpet is blown (after the 7th seal is opened) The trumpets happen in order. When the 7th trumpet sounds WRATH IS OVER. The kingdoms of this world are become of our Lord. THE DEAD ARE JUDGED. It's over, it's finished. It's done. That's it. There's no more. Complete.

You want to see the story again? You want a little more information of the same story? Read Revelation 13 and 14. That gives you more information of what happens in the seals. You want to see the 5th seal of Revelation, which occurs during the great tribulation of Matthew 24. Here.

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

You want to see the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal? Which is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. Here.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

He comes BEFORE wrath. Look in verse 19 above.

He comes BEFORE wrath in Revelation 6. Here.

Revelation 6
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

You want another view of the wrath of God. We saw one view in the trumpets. Read Revelation 15 and 16. That's just another view of the wrath of God with different information.

Revelation 6 through 16 gives you two different views of the tribulation and the wrath of God. Tribulation is not wrath. Revelation 6 is one view of the tribulation, Revelation 13 and 14 is another view of the tribulation. Then Jesus comes at the end of the tribulation. Revelation 6 and Matthew 24. You get another view in Revelation 14. After the tribulation is over the wrath of God begins. You get one view in the trumpets Rev 8-11 and you get another view in the vials, Revelation 15 and 16.

Where is your Scriptural basis? At the 6th Seal is when Jesus places His feet on the mount of Olives per Zechariah 14.

This is the error that most make, including those that believe in a pretribulation rapture and those that don't. Jesus does not set His feet on the Mount of Olives at the 6th seal. Since you understand that the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24............
Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Do you see anything in the above verses that tell you that Jesus sets His feet on the Mount of Olives? No. You see the gathering form heaven and earth. You see the second harvest. Here.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Again, look above and you will see that wrath is about to begin. So tribulation and wrath do not happen in the same timeframe.

The Trumpets will not start until the 7th Seal is removed.

"And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."

The Trumpets were not even given until the 7th Seal was opened. They could not have sounded during the Seals.

The trumpets happen during the seals.........the 7th seal. The 7th seal is opened and then after a short time the angels are given the 7 trumpets.

The Second Coming is the 5th and 6th Seal.

Jesus comes at the 6th seal for a harvest. Jesus comes at the end of the trumpets to set up His kingdom.

The 144k are with Jesus on the earth after they are sealed. They don't ever leave the earth, unless Satan is given 42 months.
Jesus does not leave Jerusalem unless He hands the throne over to Satan in the midst of the week of the sounding of the 7th Trumpet. Jesus is on the throne in Jerusalem when the point is made that now all kingdoms on earth are now under His authority.

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

I'll leave this alone for now. I have already given you too much to chew on.

Jesus sets up His throne at the 6th Seal.

Nope. As shown above, Jesus comes for a harvest at the 6th seal. He does not sit on the throne on earth until the 7th trumpet.

Jesus does not leave that throne until the midst of the week of the 7th Trumpet.

The week is over at the 7th trumpet. It is finished. Wrath is over and the kingdom is set up.

Revelation 13 happens after Revelation 11.

No sir. Revelation 13 and 14 is another view of the 1st six seals

You have only your opinion and no Scripture to back up your claim that the 7th Trumpet happens during the Seals.

Revelation 8
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Gone by the events of the 6th seal? No, the Chruch is gone before the seals are opened.

Yes, the rapture can occur anytime between now and the opening of the sixth seal. the sixth seal is the latest we will be here on earth, for the opening of the seal begins the 70th week of Daniel.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have yet to see you present any grammar, which is troubling, because if you go by grammar, you accept a lot of things God's Word does not even say.

How you can even think rationally is beyond me. the bible is created with Grammar! god created grammar and makes sure His word is written in an understandable way for His children to learn, grow and obey. Grammar is always an essential foundation for understanidng Scripture.

If you have no knowledge of grammar, you cannot even hope to understand what is written or spoken.

 

[The Light]

Yes, the rapture can occur anytime between now and the opening of the sixth seal. the sixth seal is the latest we will be here on earth, for the opening of the seal begins the 70th week of Daniel.

No sir. The 70th week of Daniel begins with the confirmation of the covenant. That will open the 1st seal. The Church will be gone before any seals are opened. The 6th seal is the gathering from heaven and earth. Jesus returns for the second harvest. Jacob had two brides. Here is the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal before wrath.

Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.