Confession

[Dcopymope]

speaking in tongues, iow

that other one = confusion imo
deliberately confused in the accounts to make the point
speaking in tongues OT, who can find it?

none of us share ezackly the same def for any word imo
we all "speak in tongues"

Yep, we all speak English, Spanish, etc. When you "speak in tongues", you are speaking in a "tongue" that is other than your native tongue, or language, and that's really all that's meant by the term "speaking in tongues". The Bible demystifies it, but as is always the case with the 'I know God, self professed oracles', they will do the exact opposite. If you don't understand the tongue they speak in, then you either need an interpreter, OR, they are speaking in dragon tongue, which is pointless even trying to understand.

(Revelation 13:11) "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

....If you know of anyone that speaks dragon, I would very much like to hear it.

 

[APAK]

God is interested in repentance and the genuine reduction and practice of sin through reciprocal love for him as he gives his own, unabated.

Running a 'canned' cyclical human mind diagnostic program called, say ‘absolution’ every Saturday morning for example, like cleaning out our computer disk drive of ‘bits’ of trash every week or so, is this genuinely spiritual and pleasing to God? Is it our works and our way to please God, to salvation?

Those with God’s spirit will be convicted if deserving of the title sin, by the spirit, to our heart when it occurs; although we can be slow or stubborn to react and confess it, then repent of it.

Confession is a start however confession is not repentance. Confessing in public or private does not mean you are sorry for your infractions, offenses or sins.

Now offending someone and asking for genuine forgiveness with genuine sorrow, in love, with even some compensatory gesture or gift is appropriate. God though does need any compensation for any convicted offense that requires repentance. Again, he needs your love and your heart so that you will reduce sin and its practice in your life.

As a believer, he knows you are in a corrupt state that will last until your last breath. Show love to your Father in heaven with the life of Christ living within you.

Using our own will and our own timing to examine our minds and hearts for its goodness or badness is the work of the natural man and is not spiritual in the least. It is a sure sign of an unbeliever who tried to believe, trying to be ‘good’ for God by showing he or she is trying to be pure and sinless.

These ‘absolution’ programs have been developed and refined by some religious organizations in their understanding of sin and salvation, over the years. They are not God-born. They are spiritually-dead based. They are highly encouraged to be used by its members as ‘their way’ (i.e. the religious organization) to salvation that is never assured. And many members comply faithfully.

Bless you,

APAK

 

[Philip James]

Using our own will and our own timing to examine our minds and hearts for its goodness or badness is the work of the natural man and is not spiritual in the least. It is a sure sign of an unbeliever who tried to believe, trying to be ‘good’ for God by showing he or she is trying to be pure and sinless.

These ‘absolution’ programs have been developed and refined by some religious organizations in their understanding of sin and salvation, over the years. They are not God-born.

You show no understanding of what the Sacrament of reconcilliation is, and just Who's 'work' it is.

Peter said to him, "You will never wash my feet." Jesus answered him, "Unless I wash you, you will have no inheritance with me."

Peace!

 

[Nancy]

ha, you can post in whatever color you want!
ty tho :)

yw bro.

 

[Nancy]

Yep, we all speak English, Spanish, etc. When you "speak in tongues", you are speaking in a "tongue" that is other than your native tongue, or language, and that's really that's meant by the term "speaking in tongues". The Bible demystifies it, but as is always the case with the 'I know God, self professed oracles', they will do the exact opposite. If you don't understand the tongue they speak in, then you either need an interpreter, OR, they are speaking in dragon tongue, which is pointless even trying to understand.

....If you know of anyone that speaks dragon, I would very much like to hear it.

I must agree! Good post. And no, that does NOT mean I judge those who disagree! And many of them are my fave folks around here...takes a while to get to know everyone!

 

[APAK]

You show no understanding of what the Sacrament of reconcilliation is, and just Who's 'work' it is.

Peter said to him, "You will never wash my feet." Jesus answered him, "Unless I wash you, you will have no inheritance with me."

Peace!

Philip James:

The humility and self-sacrifice of Jesus demonstrated the love of God in his life then, and in his future, to his fellow servants and other believers. These are the keys in how we show all know our love is genuine. This I do understand and live within my heart.

There are imposters like Judas that never had this humility and spirit of self-sacrifice of love within him. His heart was hardened to God and not persuaded even by Christ’s example; not of reconciliation but an example of what must be in the heart (contrition, humbleness) to accept Christ and the love of God. (John 13:7-17)

This scripture is not about any sacrament of penance and reconciliation?

I do understand the religious view of this concept as I experienced it for what it is and its implications.

I know you must believe that this sacrament is Christ-sanctioned, and he is performing this process in one’s heart - I do not. Christ does not need a man-made process to do his work within a person’s heart that God has sanctioned and provided already, to every genuine believer, his spirit.

I have never have liked replicas, especially when it concerns by spiritual life and future, I desire the real thing. It is a choice I made many years ago.


Bless you from the love and power of God


APAK

 

[Truth]

Where are you @bbyrd009 ?
What are your views on confession?

I don't really mean asking for forgiveness of someone...
More about confessing our sins to God.

I wouldn't think about this so much, but it does seem that Jesus passed on HIS authority to forgive sins to the Apostles in John 20:23.

I can say with some surety that the Apostles were given full Authority, But we must remember that Fire came down from Above, as they were Imputed with Power from on High, and they were to pass everything they were taught on to their Disciples. The Twelve were truly lead by the Spirit, receiving Commandments straight from our Savior, and that is how it should be today, BUT, there are to many who have not the commitment as the early believers had! and to many divisions within the Body. Yes they were all in one Accord, for Many Years, then as the Savior said the wolves crept in, and made the Truth into a profitable religion, weather for riches and or control. I believe that the Apostles could and did forgive Sins, they were able to Discern the Heart, through Our Savior, HIS Spirit! Just make a list of the Gifts and Manifestations of the Spirit, They had them all!

 

[bbyrd009]

Yep, we all speak English, Spanish, etc. When you "speak in tongues", you are speaking in a "tongue" that is other than your native tongue, or language, and that's really all that's meant by the term "speaking in tongues".

ya, i thought so too, but notice here how we are "speaking in a diff language?" Right now?

The Bible demystifies it

um, It does?
Which of the three are we talking about now?

If you don't understand the tongue they speak in, then you either need an interpreter, OR, they are speaking in dragon tongue, which is pointless even trying to understand.

if i didn't understand that "Christian" was being used for "accepted" then i would have continued to discuss at cross purposes those concepts, which to me are not the same, but to GG they are. Also it seems to me that maybe there could be some other choices up there that have been left out? Aren't we supposed to be "wise as serpents?"
Wadr "pointless even trying to understand" is making some assumptions about drakons that may not be...wise, imo

....If you know of anyone that speaks dragon, I would very much like to hear it.

oh, you've heard it before i guess. What does a drakon say, do you think?
http://biblehub.com/greek/1404.htm
"Probably from an alternate form of derkomai (to look); a fabulous kind of serpent (perhaps as supposed to fascinate) -- dragon."

we consider serpents "evil" now, but i'm pretty sure they had a diff perception of them. "Two horns like a lamb, but spoke as a dragon" has almost gotta be invoking Snakes on Poles imo, and ppl who had "to look" to be spared, etc.

 

[bbyrd009]

If you don't understand the tongue they speak in, then you either need an interpreter, OR, they are speaking in dragon tongue, which is pointless even trying to understand.

you might at least admit that if you use this perspective on your wife when you don't understand her, the relationship is prolly gonna suffer.

 

[bbyrd009]

Those with God’s spirit will be convicted if deserving of the title sin, by the spirit, to our heart when it occurs; although we can be slow or stubborn to react and confess it, then repent of it.

"Those with God’s spirit will be convicted if deserving of the title sin, by the spirit, to our heart when it occurs; unless they don't."
if you will allow me?

i suggest the other conviction works better, wherein they might be convicted without ever confessing! Iow for instance "they" maybe commit some act and you and i happen to witness it, and we (you and i) give each other a certain look, and voila, he is convicted. And were we to say something he would be likely to offer a justification, right

Iow i suggest that the def of "convicted" has been changed, to the one that you are using wadr. That Scripture even uses; in English
a diff def from the courtroom "convicted" iow, wherein the defendant need not even agree/see

 

[bbyrd009]

That Scripture even uses; in English

http://biblehub.com/lexicon/hebrews/3-14.htm

Romans 14:22, John 16:8 appear to use "conviction" correctly.
Now i would still act only from "conviction," but imo i am now using the word incorrectly, "confidence" or "assurance" would fit better.

A defendant may be convicted without their consent iow

 

[GodsGrace]

I can say with some surety that the Apostles were given full Authority, But we must remember that Fire came down from Above, as they were Imputed with Power from on High, and they were to pass everything they were taught on to their Disciples. The Twelve were truly lead by the Spirit, receiving Commandments straight from our Savior, and that is how it should be today, BUT, there are to many who have not the commitment as the early believers had! and to many divisions within the Body. Yes they were all in one Accord, for Many Years, then as the Savior said the wolves crept in, and made the Truth into a profitable religion, weather for riches and or control. I believe that the Apostles could and did forgive Sins, they were able to Discern the Heart, through Our Savior, HIS Spirit! Just make a list of the Gifts and Manifestations of the Spirit, They had them all!

This is what Catholcis believe...that the authority to forgive sins has been passed down from the beginning to each new generation of what we now call priests.
So are they right??

 

[bbyrd009]

So are they right?

do all Catholics consider themselves priests?

 

[Josiah]

This is what Catholcis believe...that the authority to forgive sins has been passed down from the beginning to each new generation of what we now call priests. So are they right??

IF this is right, then Jesus was wrong to including in His model prayer, "and forgiven us AS WE FORGIVE those who sin against us." Wrong because if this view is correct, we can't forgive - and we are asking God to thus not forgive us. There are MANY Scriptures that command us to forgive - odd if we are forbidden to do that.



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[Nancy]

you might at least admit that if you use this perspective on your wife when you don't understand her, the relationship is prolly gonna suffer.

 

[Truth]

This is what Catholcis believe...that the authority to forgive sins has been passed down from the beginning to each new generation of what we now call priests.
So are they right??

I think that the Apostles were Baptized with Fire, Power from on High, this was explicit to Them, Remember these Men Walked with our Savior, they were given Authority before Jesus was Crucified! I do not believe that this Ability co-exists in any one person today, for you must be able to know the Heart of the person you are giving forgiveness, thus Christ through the Spirit, for our Savior knows the Hearts of us all! IMO!

 

[Nancy]

I think that the Apostles were Baptized with Fire, Power from on High, this was explicit to Them, Remember these Men Walked with our Savior, they were given Authority before Jesus was Crucified! I do not believe that this Ability co-exists in any one person today, for you must be able to know the Heart of the person you are giving forgiveness, thus Christ through the Spirit, for our Savior knows the Hearts of us all! IMO!

Besides, they (Apostles) were the ones used initially to spread the Good News. God lit a fire on them to say, git yer glutes a moving, I have a timeline to keep!!! lol...j/k

 

[bbyrd009]

I do not believe that this Ability co-exists in any one person today, for you must be able to know the Heart of the person you are giving forgiveness

"we knew that we were naked, so we hid."
"here, have a skin then."

i dunno about waiting to forgive ppl until they are sorry or contrite or whatever wadr

 

[Truth]

"we knew that we were naked, so we hid."
"here, have a skin then."

i dunno about waiting to forgive ppl until they are sorry or contrite or whatever wadr

Yes when they knew they were naked, they covered themselves with Fig Leafs, in other words Excuses!!!! then they were covered with skins, from the animals God dispatched!
Fact of the Matter! we are and always will be Naked before God. We can hide nothing, not even with Fig Leafs, excuses won't hold water!!

Until one realizes that they have sin in their life, how do they confess if they want to be forgiven. the realization and the desire to be forgiven comes from the heart, by the hearing of the word, in faith, according to the Promise!

 

[Truth]

Besides, they (Apostles) were the ones used initially to spread the Good News. God lit a fire on them to say, git yer glutes a moving, I have a timeline to keep!!! lol...j/k

I cannot disagree, but if they were to get moving, I would think the fire would have landed further south! LOL
In my opinion, take Phillip for an example, the Spirit directed him to the Desert, down in Gaza somewhere to intercept an Ethiopian, who gets saved then baptized, and when the Ethiopian comes up from the water Phillip is GONE, these men were Imputed with not only power, but were utilized in very special ways! beyond our concept!