Covid-19 is not a hoax (it's way worse than the flu)

[Grailhunter]

You're not using common sense here either. HIV is clearly transmitted in body fluids just like COVID-19.

No this is exactly what I am saying. Covid and HIV does not stick to fluids. They move through them. They may move with them but they are not stuck to them, fluids do not encapsulate them, or capture them....for that reason Covid can exist in the air and on surfaces, without moisture.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Sheepdog, if this is a dumb question, I apologize beforehand.
When you said, if the particles of an odor can get through the mask then so can the virus - what size are the particulates of…say a perfume someone has on their skin and is spreading as they move around COMPARED TO the size of the particulates that are COVID?

Its a good question.

Technically and factually the statement is false. In general, odor particles are almost atomic in size ( often calculated in daltons of mass rather microns of size) so there's no true comparison and in filtration engineering you "trap" micron and sub micron particles through various size and configuration openings and channels but you "absorb" the odor particles because to filter them you would almost be textbook impermeable in terms of media.

I use it because its an example people can easily relate to because explaining engineering terms with all the qualifications and conditions to the average lay person in conversation has even less erotic attraction than watching cardboard absorb moisture from the atmosphere so I take a bit of poetic license at the expense of literal technical accuracy sometimes.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

The mask is a sham and people who religiously wear them are simple minded.

Its unquestionably a sham and Fauci is an active component knowing full well what he is doing but on the people...

I disagree as I have had discussions now with a few hundred "educated' people since this began as many ask me because of what I do.

Some of it is a lack of applicable engineering knowledge but one doesn't have to know how to make an oil filter to change the oil and drive a car.

Most of what I see is people are "programmed" to trust authority figures and are very hesitant for a number of reasons to turn away from "official" sources.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Its a good question.

Technically and factually the statement is false. In general, odor particles are almost atomic in size ( often calculated in daltons of mass rather microns of size) so there's no true comparison and in filtration engineering you "trap" micron and sub micron particles through various size and configuration openings and channels but you "absorb" the odor particles because to filter them you would almost be textbook impermeable in terms of media.

I use it because its an example people can easily relate to because explaining engineering terms with all the qualifications and conditions to the average lay person in conversation has even less erotic attraction than watching cardboard absorb moisture from the atmosphere so I take a bit of poetic license at the expense of literal technical accuracy sometimes.

So…the particulates of an odor are smaller than the particulates of the COVID virus? So much smaller that we kind of can’t measure them and rather have to start talking in terms of…absorption rather than a certain sized particle?

I was just curious. I realize its neither here nor there, because the only thing necessary to my mind is: how big is a particle of COVID virus and what size particles does my flimsy little blue mask stop? I could walk into the store and down an aisle where someone coughed 20 minutes ago and particles of COVID could (most probably would?)be swirling about and rising and falling on air currents and drop onto my head, shoulders, eyelashes and eyeballs, so I’ve wondered why they don’t have us wearing goggles too. I mean, your eyes have mucous membranes all around them too, right? Or the particles could settle on the box of ziti I pick up or on my dang elbow.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And, I mean, even IF the particles were smaller than the spaces between fibers in my mask, which I seriously doubt, a cough or sneeze would STILL send them explosively flying out the top, bottom and sides of the unsealed mask…

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Howard Hughes Syndrome. Lol

 

[dev553344]

I heard talk recently where we might have to hold our breath when within 6 feet of each other. I'll save on deodorant and mouthwash!

LOL, I don't breath near people that cough anyways, I hold my breath and walk up stream.

 

[Truman]

So…the particulates of an odor are smaller than the particulates of the COVID virus? So much smaller that we kind of can’t measure them and rather have to start talking in terms of…absorption rather than a certain sized particle?

I was just curious. I realize its neither here nor there, because the only thing necessary to my mind is: how big is a particle of COVID virus and what size particles does my flimsy little blue mask stop? I could walk into the store and down an aisle where someone coughed 20 minutes ago and particles of COVID could (most probably would?)be swirling about and rising and falling on air currents and drop onto my head, shoulders, eyelashes and eyeballs, so I’ve wondered why they don’t have us wearing goggles too. I mean, your eyes have mucous membranes all around them too, right? Or the particles could settle on the box of ziti I pick up or on my dang elbow.

I hear the masks work better when you don't think so much. Lol

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

how big is a particle of COVID virus and what size particles does my flimsy little blue mask stop?

Virtually none to none. The devil is in the details- they just hide the details.

in raw numbers a CV pathogen is around .125 micron and various masks ( using the N95 as a baseline- cloth masks are 100% useless) are about .1 to .3- so the professionals say it will stop about 95% particles ( those sizes are averages within a range- never absolute values)

The first lie is filtering- let me explain. Filter media efficiency standard is a metered number of particles at a given size in an ISO rig at a set air velocity for ONE time pass then count the particles. That's where that 95% efficiency comes from.

What they failed to say was that media was stretched to a specific tension for air permeability on the test rig and only blown through ONCE. ( one pass filtration) When you breathe in and out that velocity exceeds the test and now you are MULTIPLE PASS filtration thus negating the test relative to the application.

The second lie is consistency over time- your "mask" is flexing and all that. That changes the micron rating ( always larger) but thats not part of the test standard so they just don't mention that part. The more you breathe,wear,move,adjust- the more open it becomes.

The third lie is retention- you have only 1 membrane layer (imagine a woven rope chain link fence) the acceleration causes the particles to change velocity and get stuck BUT as you wet it ( moisture) and move- you are constantly shaking those fibers and media passes right on through. ( not part of a single pass test so they don't mention that either)

These are all industry standard ISO testing requirements for all filter media ( google and read up)

They know this and are deliberately misrepresenting the data.

There's much more.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Its unquestionably a sham and Fauci is an active component knowing full well what he is doing but on the people...

I agree. I’ve only taken a few biology classes and one or two microbiology classes, very basic. He’s taken even more. He’s either very unintelligent despite his degrees or he knows he’s talking smack.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I hear the masks work better when you don't think so much. Lol

Lol! That should be Faucis tag line - It makes good sense if you don’t think too hard about it! Haha.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Virtually none to none. The devil is in the details- they just hide the details.

in raw numbers a CV pathogen is around .125 micron and various masks ( using the N95 as a baseline- cloth masks are 100% useless) are about .1 to .3- so the professionals say it will stop about 95% particles ( those sizes are averages within a range- never absolute values)

The first lie is filtering- let me explain. Filter media efficiency standard is a metered number of particles at a given size in an ISO rig at a set air velocity for ONE time pass then count the particles. That's where that 95% efficiency comes from.

What they failed to say was that media was stretched to a specific tension for air permeability on the test rig and only blown through ONCE. ( one pass filtration) When you breathe in and out that velocity exceeds the test and now you are MULTIPLE PASS filtration thus negating the test relative to the application.

The second lie is consistency over time- your "mask" is flexing and all that. That changes the micron rating ( always larger) but thats not part of the test standard so they just don't mention that part. The more you breathe,wear,move,adjust- the more open it becomes.

The third lie is retention- you have only 1 membrane layer (imagine a woven rope chain link fence) the acceleration causes the particles to change velocity and get stuck BUT as you wet it ( moisture) and move- you are constantly shaking those fibers and media passes right on through. ( not part of a single pass test so they don't mention that either)

These are all industry standard ISO testing requirements for all filter media ( google and read up)

They know this and are deliberately misrepresenting the data.

There's much more.[/

oh lol…so the blue mask I have had on my dashboard for 18 months that I put on so they’ll let me in to get my mocha frappe is even more useless than I suspected…oh wait, it gets worse - I once left it in my pocket and it went through the washer and dryer. I was actually happy because it got sort of fuzzy feeling and more comfortable…

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I heard talk recently where we might have to hold our breath when within 6 feet of each other. I'll save on deodorant and mouthwash!

This is misinformation. It’s only in the presence of the elite that we will be required to not breathe.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

oh lol…so the blue mask I have had on my dashboard for 18 months that I put on so they’ll let me in to get my mocha frappe is even more useless than I suspected…oh wait, it gets worse - I once left it in my pocket and it went through the washer and dryer. I was actually happy because it got sort of fuzzy feeling and more comfortable…

That's exactly right. What galls me is they know all this and its deliberate. But thats on just the mask/filter issue where my experience and subject expertise puts me in a position to directly challenge every word they say without going to google to quote stuff i really don't understand.

But I'm a PE- not an MD but using simply logic- if they are deliberately lying with the intent to deceive me on the mask, That leads me to believe they are doing the same with the vaccine even though i do not have the requisite skills and knowledge to directly challenge them on that point.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I haven’t had a cold or flu that I can recall for many decades. I remember bad colds when I was 12 and when I was early 20’s. I’ve never had a flu vaccination except twice when I was in a nursing program.
Knock on wood.

 

[Truman]

This is misinformation. It’s only in the presence of the elite that we will be required to not breathe.

In their presence I'll fart! Lol

 

[Truman]

Then they'll have to hold their breath!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

That's exactly right. What galls me is they know all this and its deliberate. But thats on just the mask/filter issue where my experience and subject expertise puts me in a position to directly challenge every word they say without going to google to quote stuff i really don't understand.

But I'm a PE- not an MD but using simply logic- if they are deliberately lying with the intent to deceive me on the mask, That leads me to believe they are doing the same with the vaccine even though i do not have the requisite skills and knowledge to directly challenge them on that point.

Do you have any thoughts on how it appears to break along political party lines? (Just curious.) I’ve yet to meet anyone who thinks it should be mandatory to be vaccinated who identifies as republican nor anyone who thinks it should be up to the individual who identifies as democrat. It strikes me as odd that this should be so. Why would your party affiliation have anything to do with it…? I’m not real political, may be why it strikes me as odd, might be missing something since I’m clueless about politics.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

In their presence I'll fart! Lol

Before you do that, we will need to borrow your pants so sheepdog can do velocity tests.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

u have any thoughts on how it appears to break along political party lines? (Just curious.) I’ve yet to meet anyone who thinks it should be mandatory to be vaccinated who identifies as republican nor anyone who thinks it should be up to the individual who identifies as democrat. It strikes me as odd that this should be so. Why would your party affiliation have anything to do with it…?

That''s a hard one to call and i have some questions myself. I think the final truth ( which we will never see) is really multi faceted.

In general terms, what we know as the democrat party now is full blown socialist and they are now using this as a tool for domination and control.

Republicans ( rather use tie terms patriot or conservative as too many RINOs in the GOP) see it for what it is and simply don't trust it or believe the narrative they are selling.