Daniel 9:27 the covenant to be confirmed
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Ronald Nolette
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Now you are making an allegorical opinion to become doctrine- bad bad form. Tens of thousands of Jes became believers. INcluding rabbis and pharisees and Sadducees, Essenes and Scribes and Herodians. So it was not the Jews who Jesus. It was our sin that drove HIm to the cross. The Sanhedrin and Pilate were only tools.
Daniel 9:27 is referring ot he real temple, and is not an allegory for Jesus body.
TribulationSigns
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No, Jesus' body signifies His congregation. His people. He told the Jews to destroy this temple. Because of their rebellion, they destroyed the temple as the kingdom representation was taken from them and in three days, Christ rebuilt it and the kingdom representation was given to it. It is the New Testament congregation of Israel, the church which is now Christ's body built with PEOPLE! Not literal stones.
1Pe 2:4-6
(4) To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
(5) Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
(6) Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
Daniel 9:27 has nothing to do with the physical temple, whether in 70AD or the future so-called third temple.
Selah.
Earburner
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It's about the 7th "abomination" that was committed against God's temple!!
Proverbs 6:16-19.
Not only did the Jews commit "the abomination that maketh desolate", they also took the responsibility for it. Mat. 27:25.
Jesus Himself spoke it to them of what they were going to do.
John 2
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What SIGN shewest thou UNTO US, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his [own literal physical] body.
I am not "painting pictures" here, as others may do. Jesus quite literally did give them the SIGN. Dan. 11:31; 12:11.
Of course Jesus could and would say that He Himself was NOT good, but only God the Father is Good. WHY??
Because, Jesus was neither good nor evil, but rather He was INNOCENT.
Now, go back to Proverbs 6:17 and find that "abomination" that took place against Him.
HEAR what the Spirit is SAYING, and not that which be the doctrines of men!!
1 Cor. 2[5] That your faith should NOT stand in the wisdom of men, but in the [Holy Spirit] power of God.
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TribulationSigns
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You inserted "[own literal physical]" and that is incorrect. The "temple of his body" refers to His congregation.
Matthew 24:15
- "WHEN ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )
- Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:"
Search the scriptures, because God has already called it abomination time after time in the Old testament texts also. Comparing scripture with scripture, letting the Bible be it's own commentary, and it's own interpreter, and it's own dictionary, we have the truth of what is being said. That Satan works through the doctrines of men. As Revelation 13 says, the Beast with horns like a Lamb, but which speaks (doctrines) like the Dragon (Satan). Selah!
Daniel 11:31
- "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate."
Earburner
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I inserted correctly, because it was Jesus' literal body that was meant!!
Only Jesus IS "the FIRSTborn from the dead", being Himself "THE first resurrection".
Finish the context of John 2:21
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body
[of mortal flesh].
[22] When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
Don't you yet know that in the Day of Jesus' baptism, God the Father took up residence within Jesus' mortal body??
Jesus, in His mortal flesh BECAME the Temple of the Eternal Living God. Jesus WAS the "house" of His Father then, and EVEN MORE SO NOW!
Don't you know that without Jesus, God the Father CANNOT live within any man?
John 14
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode [Temple] with him.
For our covenant relationship with God the Father, He needed the Sacrifice of Jesus, just as much as we need Jesus!!!
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Earburner
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Please think this through by the Holy Spirit, and not by "the wisdom of men" of "church-ianity".
In ref. to your quote of Mat. 24:15, Jesus was speaking about Israel THEN, saying: "When YE shall see..."
Please tell us, who is being spoken of in Psalm 24:1-5
[1] The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.
[2] For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
[3] Who shall ascend into the hill of the LORD? or who shall stand in HIS holy place?
[4] He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.
[5] He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness FROM the God of HIS salvation.
Your ref. of Dan. 11:31 is speaking of that "little horn", being Antiochus Epiphanes, who FULFILLED the prophecy of Daniel, within the prophecy of the 2300 literal DAYS. Jesus pointed BACK TO IT, using it as A "SIGN" in Typology, thus pointing to Himself, as being the ONE whose mortal temple was to be desolated, and INNOCENT blood was going to be shed.
Proverbs 6:17.
Indeed, though it was a necessary event of God's plan of salvation, the shedding of Christ's innocent blood, WAS AN ABOMINATION AGAINST God the Father Himself.
As God said in Proverbs 6[16] These SIX things doth the LORD HATE: yea, SEVEN are an abomination unto him:
Which one is the 7th ABOMINATION that God added in?
ANS. Proverbs 6:17.
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Spiritual Israelite
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Yes, all Israel will be saved. But, which Israel?
Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
Paul indicated that being a spiritual child of Abraham and of God is what determines if someone is saved and part of Israel or not. It's not about what earthly nation someone has descended from, but rather about whether or not someone has faith like Abraham. That is how it has always been. You try to talk about "replacement theology", but who is being replaced? No one! God's people have ALWAYS been those who have faith like Abraham.
Spiritual Israelite
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They can never answer that question. They like to throw the term "replacement theology" around, but are not able to tell us who or what is supposedly being replaced and who or what is replacing them.
TribulationSigns
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This is the Temple He suddenly came to. And as Malachi illustrates, He is the delight (hope; wish) of Israel, the Messenger of the Covenant, Jesus Christ. He is the [mal'ak], the internunciator or messenger between the two parties of God and man, the fulfillment of the Covenant/Promise of God to Israel for a mediator Savior. And indeed, we also come to our Holy Temple in the body of Christ as living stones immune to fire and built up a house of God. God's word is always so intricate and in. The temple "REPRESENTS" the body of his saints.
TribulationSigns
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Nope.
Titus 1:9
- "Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers."
So then, in my allowing scripture to interpret scripture, I find the little horn and its designation as king represents a symbolic reference to power, reign, little or power to reign a little. This because the horn in scripture is clearly used of God as a symbol of power. eg:
Daniel 8:6
- "And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power."
- "And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand."
- "And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power."
- "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."
Horn signifying power! The kings symbolizing their reign which they will have near the end. Horns consistently symbolize power. And the word little means, well little. Do you see a pattern here? Ergo, Power for a little while, or a little power to reign. That may be unorthodox to you or to man, but it is orthodox in it conforms to the "established teaching" of God's Word itself. Since the spirit Satan is "given" power as kings (to reign) for a little when "he is loosed of God," he uses that time to gather the nations against the saints. This is what the Little HOrn represents! This is near the end and supported by Revelation chapter 20. Not
Earburner
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I agree with all that, but it is AFTER the fact of the first appearance of Jesus in mortal flesh.
Yes, we who ARE "born again of His Spirit" are NOW members of the body of Christ, and have spiritually entered into the KoH (Col. 2:12; 3:1).
But, until Jesus became the literal "firstborn from the dead", being literally "the first resurrection" into New Life, having Immortality, NO ONE could enter into "the kingdom of heaven" before Him. No, not even the patriarchs and the prophets, who lived their lives under the OC.
Therein lies the corruption of "church-ianity", as opposed to "Christianity". Prior to Jesus' resurrection, no human had entered into heaven, at all!!
Maybe now, most can make the correct correlation and connection of what actually took place with Malachi 3:16; Rev. 6:9-11 and Eph. 4:9, and even that of "the Transfiguration".
When Jesus was transfigured in the presence of the three disciples, it would be impossible for them to see dead men, who resurrected BEFORE Christ did!! But, then again, Jesus DID tell them in advance of WHAT they would see, right in the first chapter of John.
John 1
[51] And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall SEE heaven open, and the ANGELS of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
So then, who are they, that are shown "UNDER the altar" in Rev. 6:9-11?
Ans. Every Saint of faith UNDER the OC., who died in faith believing of "the Promised One who was to come".
God did not forget them, of whom He remembered. Malachi 3:16. Hence the words of the repentant thief on the cross: "Remember me, WHEN YOU come into YOUR kingdom", of which speaks of himself being UNDER the OC.
Therefore, at the time of Jesus death and resurrection (Eph. 4:9), the saints who had died in faith, under the altar of the OC., did then receive the permanent Gift of God's Holy Spirit, which is symbolized as "white robes", and are now asleep IN JESUS, waiting with us all for His Glorious return from Heaven, to Give to us also the promised Gift of His Immortality.
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Ronald Nolette
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Wrong! When Jesus said destroy this body:
John 2:18-21
King James Version
18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body
It was not the church but His physical body.
No you aren't painting pictures, but rewriting Scripture. YOu are taking seven sins which God says man commits that are an abomination to Him and now making them Jewish sins against teh Messiah.
Hey you are quoting your own revised version of the bible, and blaming the Holy Spirit and saying anyone who dares disagree with you has the mind of men. This kind of accusation has been spewed out by tens of thousands before yo uthat also hold their own rewriting of teh Scripture.
TribulationSigns
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Earburner
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Are you confusing me (Earburner) with "Tribulationsigns". You replied to both of us.
I am not sure of what you said to me, was meant for me.
How sad! Is it any wonder why
"church-ianity" has to turn the 2300 DAYS into years, and then manipulate the 70th week, fabricating a futuristic sci-fy thriller, about a one man band, miracle man, that "they" call "THE Antichrist"?
And so, as the "comic book" story goes, then the wannabe "THE Antichrist" is going to sit in a rebuilt Jewish Temple in Jerusalem calling himself God, and then kicks everyone's door in, to brand them with the "666" "mark of the beast".
Lol!! Even they who are OF THE UNSAVED WORLD KNOW about their fictitious story. So much so, that even they will fight to avoid the "MoB", in the way that they are presenting it.
I do believe that Satan is alot more subtil, than what they are "making up" about him.
Try looking at Digital money, Digital IDs and the like, such as UBI (Universal Basic Income).
After WW3* (not Armageddon), the world will be pushed into Digital money, because of Economic collapse, on a global scale, with the UN (image of the beast) mandating "peace and safety"**.
*Rev. 9:13-21
** 1 Thes. 5:3
But, you
I said: "I agree with all that, but it is AFTER the fact of the first appearance of Jesus in mortal flesh.
Yes, we who ARE "born again of His Spirit" are NOW members of the body of Christ, and have spiritually entered into the KoH (Col. 2:12; 3:1).
But, until Jesus became the literal "firstborn from the dead", being literally "the first resurrection" into New Life, having Immortality, NO ONE could enter into "the kingdom of heaven" before Him. No, not even the patriarchs and the prophets, who lived their lives under the OC."
Do you still disagree with that?
If so, then you need to study deeper than you appear to.
TribulationSigns
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I did not say this nor teach this. Another example of false accusation.
Yeah premillennial doctrine is a joke.
I don't teach this. So I won't response to this false interpreation.
You were saying, "I agree but, but, but..." You ended up rant about other things not related to the subject of the temple of the body. Moving on.
I am already light years ahead of you in biblical study and spiritual understanding. Never mind me, go on with your vision about a a physical city falling in 70AD and Preterism nonsense which is the same goes with premillennialism. You both have something in common - a belief in the physical temple.
Earburner
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Ronald, are you replying to me, or "tribulation signs"?
In John 2:18-21, I agree with you. Originally, in my post that is my argument with "tribulation times". The literal physical body of Christ is what was "desolated", and then "restored" with New Life.
Jesus POINTED BACK in history of the prophecy in Dan. that was ALREADY FULFILLED.
Jesus used it AS A SIGN, as he often did, just like Jonah and the whale/fish.
It's called "typology", being type and anti-type. Chuch-ianity uses it all the time,... but Jesus can't??
What will they do with the word "antichrist"? Well, I for one, don't see that they are doing well with it at all!!! They put the word "THE" in front of it, thus making it absolutely singular, when there are MANY antchrists.
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Earburner
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If you can't know and see that Jesus was speaking of ONLY His mortal body, then you are correct about your "light years". You are way out there, off on a tangent, reading way too much into it, for WHAT Jesus was pointing to. Did the whole church resurrect in three days after His mortal death, or was it simply Jesus Himself?
The after thought is, only when one has faith in Christ, and becomes born again, are they THEN spiritually risen with Christ. John 14:23; Rev. 3:20.
Is Jesus the FIRSTborn from the dead?
If so, then He alone is "the First resurrection".
I hope that you have taken part, in HIS resurrection, and are NOW made to be a "partaker of the divine nature".
If so, then truly, you are "blessed" and "holy"!!
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But if not, then Rom. 8:9 applies.
So then, as a result, all of such who are not written in the book of life [being Jesus Himself- 2 Cor. 5:10 is John 3:18], shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, which is the 2nd death.
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Earburner
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Yeah, so much for the pleasant replies.
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