Executioners are there to administer the death penalty. That is not the same as murder. So you are really quite confused. The Bible says that the wages of sin is death, and God commanded the death penalty for heinous crimes.
Death penalty.
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You're totally ignoring the NT!
Luke 6:27-29
27 "But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28 bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you.
29 To him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer the other also.
Triumph1300
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Some argue that we are to forgive murderers.
These same people insist that we incarcerate murderers and make thieves pay restitution. They say "forgive," but actually demand punishment.
These objectors do not sincerely believe in forgiveness, they only want to decide on the penalty themselves while rejecting the penalty God has commanded.
You can forgive a debt owed to you, but not one owed to your neighbor.
If your friend owes you $100 dollars, you can cancel that debt if you like; however, if your friend owes me $100, you have no such authority to cancel that debt.
You can forgive a sin against you, but not a sin against your neighbor.
Only God has authority to forgive a murderer and even He will not forgive the unrepentant murderer.
These same people insist that we incarcerate murderers and make thieves pay restitution. They say "forgive," but actually demand punishment.
These objectors do not sincerely believe in forgiveness, they only want to decide on the penalty themselves while rejecting the penalty God has commanded.
You can forgive a debt owed to you, but not one owed to your neighbor.
If your friend owes you $100 dollars, you can cancel that debt if you like; however, if your friend owes me $100, you have no such authority to cancel that debt.
You can forgive a sin against you, but not a sin against your neighbor.
Only God has authority to forgive a murderer and even He will not forgive the unrepentant murderer.
Triumph1300
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God promises that the death penalty is a reliable deterrent:
Wise King Solomon 2,900 years ago explained why this is so:
His death has almost no deterrent effect on crime.
Further, a life sentence cannot be executed speedily.
The swift death penalty deters crime and aids evangelism.
Thus Christians, in obedience to God, should support the death penalty.
- "So you shall put away the evil from Israel. And all the people shall hear and fear, and no longer act presumptuously." Deut. 17:12-13
- "So all Israel shall hear and fear, and not again do such wickedness as this among you." Deut. 13:11
Wise King Solomon 2,900 years ago explained why this is so:
- Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil. Eccl. 8:11
His death has almost no deterrent effect on crime.
Further, a life sentence cannot be executed speedily.
The swift death penalty deters crime and aids evangelism.
Thus Christians, in obedience to God, should support the death penalty.
Are you saying you reject the NT?
Jesus: "Love your enemies. Do good to those who hate you. Do not resist evil people."
Triumph1300
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Of course we are suppose to love our enemies.
But that does not mean they can go free without punishment.
The Sermon on the Mount (Mat. 5-7) does not lay down rules for governments but principles for an upright heart.
- "Blessed are the poor in spirit... You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder'... But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without cause shall be in danger of the judgment... Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way... I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Mat. 5:3-28
- "Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny. Mat. 5:25-26
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Jesus's commands were for you and me as individuals. The OT Law does not overrule NT. You show your love for your enemies by killing them?
Bobby Jo
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Hosea 4:6 rebukes you for not obeying Lke 22:35-36.
Religious people need more Good Luck than a sinner who doesn't know better,
Bobby Jo
Bobby Jo
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RainAndIceCream
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I don't believe in luck. I believe in blessings from God. I would suggest it is the sinner, or those who do not know Christ, who believe in luck. (success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.)
There is no part of God's word that tells us to believe in luck.
Further, if you are hoping to imply through scripture that has nothing to do with our conversation, that I am not in Christ, we can end our back and forth here. I do not condone that kind of backhand assault from anyone.
Bobby Jo
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... then maybe you should obey Scripture:
Lke 22:35 And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” 36 He said to them, “But now, let him who has a purse take it, and likewise a bag. And let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one.
... and if you live in a large city, then also consider:
Rev. 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying,
“Come out of her, my people,
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
lest you take part in her sins,
lest you share in her plagues;
But if you choose to ignore Scripture, then Good Luck.
Bobby Jo
Bobby Jo
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To All,
In case you're oblivious to the latest news in the U.S., the anarchists are in the streets. And it's not entirely unwarranted, because the Police have exceeded their authority and abused the citizens for years. And when you sow the wind, it shouldn't come as a surprise that we're ALL reaping the whirlwind.
But where GOD warns HIS children, how many listen versus how many go on with their lives as previously? Have YOU prepared a "lifeboat" where you can get away from the cities, where you have shelter, food, medicine, and provisions for some six months to a year? Or will you become a victim of crime or a captive of the the government?
HEED GOD's WARNING, or suffer the consequence.
Bobby Jo
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RainAndIceCream
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skirting the rules does not mean you are not seen. Matthew 7:21-23
Proverbs 16:9
The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.
You have my deepest sympathies. May God forgive you. Amen.
When Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murray Building in OKC and killed hundreds of innocent men, women and children I prayed that justice would be served in the same manner...however he just got injected with a lethal concoction...didn't suffer at all.
Bobby Jo
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... May God forgive you. Amen.
I follow GOD's instructions. But YOU'LL need LUCK to get through what you haven't anticipated because you don't OBEY and you don't KNOW Scripture.
So -- Good Luck,
Bobby Jo
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Bobby Jo
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The math* doesn't work. I've done the calculations for the purported ANFO. It was an "inside" job. McVeigh was set up to be the "fall guy". All the evidence was destroyed to conceal the true perpetrators.
It's called a "false flag". Our government has conducted a LOT of "false flag" events.
* "Explosives Engineering", by Paul W. Cooper
https://www.amazon.com/Explosives-Engineering-Paul-W-Cooper/dp/0471186368
The "Cooper" book is not text book. It provides equations for engineers who are already familiar with deflagration/detonation principles. And although there are some nine equation mistakes in the book (some eight identified at the start of the class by the professor, and the ninth by me), it's the "bible" for explosive calculations.
The "Cooper" book is not text book. It provides equations for engineers who are already familiar with deflagration/detonation principles. And although there are some nine equation mistakes in the book (some eight identified at the start of the class by the professor, and the ninth by me), it's the "bible" for explosive calculations.
Bobby Jo
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