Wrangler
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Yes ...and like I mentioned in my previous post, I was born with a shattered mind... alter personalities.
I'm so sorry for your start and am so grateful you found healing in Christ.
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Yes ...and like I mentioned in my previous post, I was born with a shattered mind... alter personalities.
I can see what you're saying. I'm just explaining how ones can believe they were if their brokenness was bent that way from as early as they can remember.being born sinners has nothing to do with being born a homosexual, which Romans 1 says that no human being can be
Romans 1 doesn't say humans cannot be born homosexual. People are born with birth defects.
Post #8 makes good sense to me. And yet ... brokenness and the fallen nature brings about all sorts of "bents" after we are born... even early in life. Those "bents" aren't God's plan and they are sin. My purpose here is not to condemn anyone, but to speak the truth. We all have our "bents" and we all are in need of the Savior and mind renewal that comes through the Word of God.see #8 and then come back
see #8 and then come back
Post #8 makes good sense to me. And yet ... brokenness and the fallen nature brings about all sorts of "bents" after we are born... even early in life. Those "bents" aren't God's plan and they are sin. My purpose here is not to condemn anyone, but to speak the truth. We all have our "bents" and we all are in need of the Savior and mind renewal that comes through the Word of God.
I stand by my statement. I know what natural means. Thanks!
your statement is against the Bible
if homosexuality is something that a person can be born with, then it cannot be sinful, as the Bible says it is. Either the Bible is true, or human understanding.
The term "gay" is not what the Bible calls these relationships. The correct term is "homosexual". The Bible is very clear that ALL such relationships are sinful, and therefore wrong. God created Adam and Eve, and told them to multiply and this is through the union of a man and woman in marriage. In fact, the Bible is very clear that no human being can ever be "born" homosexual. In Romans chapter 1, Paul speaks of the man and woman leaving their "natural" desire for each other, and going with the same sex instead. The word "natural" is from the Greek "φυσικός", which means, "natural, produced or caused by nature, inborn", which tells us that ALL humans are born with an inbuilt desire for the opposite sex. God has made sure of this, which is why He says that homosexuality is wrong and sinful. If any human being could be "born" homosexual, then God could not justly punish them for this, as it is part of their DNA. God is a God of Justice.
The sodomite was portrayed as thoughtfully questioning the moral opposition and made an Appeal to Numbers. There are fewer verses than one would think. So, therefore sodomy is not that bad the reasoning of the video went.
No. My statement is against your statement. Sad for you to interject words and meaning not contained in Scripture. Simply put, the Bible does not say one cannot be born homosexual. It says what we all know; that homosexuality is not natural. If you lack discernment between these 2 things, I'll pray for you.
Every time the issue of gay marriage has been put to a vote by the people, the people have voted to uphold traditional marriage. Even in California. In fact, the amendment passed in North Carolina on Tuesday by a wider margin (61-39) than a similar measure passed six years ago in Virginia (57-42). The amendment passed in North Carolina, a swing state Obama carried in 2008, by 22 percentage points. We should not think that gay marriage in all the land is a foregone conclusion. To date 30 states have constitutionally defined marriage as between a man and a woman.
Those who don't love God and sin aren't hurting God
I really don't know where some people get their understanding from? The Bible says, that "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). Romans chapter 1 is very clear, that ALL sinful actions are against the God of the Bible, Who IS offended, which is why He will punish sinners in hell.