Doe's God Destroy The Sole ???
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That still doesn't answer.
@Taken 's question was :-
"Can you find anywhere in Scripture whereby a man is Converted and then NOT Converted?"
To which you answered
"If a person was not truly converted, then s/he was never truly converted in the first place."
I can't see that your answer is to her question!!
But I will let it drop now. Bless you. H
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The answer is simple. God said he was going to destroy all land and air life. Not one word about destroying water life.
The answer is no, there is no such Biblical example; and there wouldn't be, either, because passages such as Philippians 1 show that God finishes what He starts!
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The answer is no, there is no such Biblical example; and there wouldn't be, either, because passages such as Philippians 1 show that God finishes what He starts!
Okay! Thank you. So now we are on the same page.
Agree, however not sure the other poster does or understands that.
God Bless,
Merry Christmas,
Taken
Because he answered a question with a statement of his Belief, that had nothing to do with answering the question, posted to another poster.
God Bless,
Merry Christmas,
Taken
True, sea animals were not mentioned as being destroyed because of the flood. Sort of preposterous to kill a sea animal, because it's natural habitat was enlarged.
A tid-bit I find interesting,
In Jesus' day particularly, fish out of the sea was a common food for men to consume regularly.
In the New Earth there shall be no more sea.
Rev 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
God Bless,
Merry Christmas,
Taken
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The only edible on the new earth will be from the trees of life, each producing 12 fruits.
Simple fact is in our glorified bodies we don't need to eat.
On the new earth we also do not see animals, birds, insects, worms or any out anything else like that.
The trees are the only other life mentioned in the New Jerusalem.
But that is the subject those who want to see their pets in heaven aren't comfortable with.
Others do not like the idea of no sex or marriage or carrying over of our earthly family as a unit.
The concept of everyone in the New Jerusalem being family is indeed hard to grasp.
"Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done." Acts 8:13
He believed and was baptized. Some call that being saved, but then later we read...
"Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the though of thine heart may be forgiven thee." Acts 8:19-22
You and others certainly may not agree, but it seems to me that he repented in order to believe and be baptized... but later when he tried to buy the power that Peter had, he was told he needed to repent.
CoreIssue
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The need for repentance is not limited, at times, to the unsaved.
Contrary to what some believe no one can achieve total sanctification in the saved can seriously error.
But they are still saved. Conditional salvation is false, it is nailing Christ on the cross again.
Baptism was not even mentioned here. Salvation was not mentioned either.
For every scriptural explanation by one there is another explanation by another. I have my own testimony, which would fill the bill, but the poster asked for scripture. To me that one fills the bill, but of course... this is also one of those with another interpretation.
CoreIssue
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Romans 8 denies conditional salvation.
Some try to cite OT versus to prove conditional salvation. But that is a false argument. Christ move things from being justified to being saved. A huge change.
The Bible does not contradict itself. So you have to be able to explain how a different claim does not violate Romans 8.
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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which no one who is saved would ever do.
Pianoworldstage said: ↑
So if a Christian is saved by faith in Christ, but takes their own life.. they are still saved?
Because 1st Corinithians 3:16-17 doesn't justify this.. and I can't find anywhere in scripture that says if a believer is saved but then takes their own life they are still saved..
Yes they are still saved per Romans 8.
You can find nowhere in Scriptures Where it says a born-again person who commits suicide loses their salvation.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Where does it say destroy means losing one salvation? It can mean stripping him of all his worldly possessions, taking his life or taking away his rewards in eternity.
This claim is in conflict with Romans eight.
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@Deborah_ was right that that particular passage is actually about the church, not individuals.
But about your question, you won't find it in scripture because it's not there. There is no reference to suicide specifically in scripture, aside from the case of Judas, which we were discussing the other day (see my Posts #117, 123, 124 especially, and Stranger's comment at Post #138).
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I do not favor Christians teaching that people can commit suicide and go to Heaven. I believe it is taking one's life into one's own hands, and scripture states explicitly that our lives do not belong to us but to God (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). Many of the great figures of the Bible faced overwhelming depressions, and even wished they had never even been born. King David, (Psalm 13:2-4), the prophet Jeremiah, (Jeremiah 20:14-18), and Job, (Job 7:15-16) among others, all reached points where they despaired of their very lives. But they persevered nevertheless without killing themselves, never daring to take such matters into their own hands out of respect for the God who created them and whom they served.
Though it may offend some (and NO CoreIssue, I am not into discussing this), I believe the incredible depressions people suffer under that motivate them to commit suicide are the result of the influence of demonic spirits, and I therefore consider it irresponsible for Christians to excuse it. These same spirits of depression have the right to their souls after death if they gave themselves to obedience to them instead of God (2 Peter 2:19; Romans 6:16, "for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage."). I don't judge those who have done so, and I of course hold out hope. But I do not excuse it by assuring people they will go to Heaven if they take their own lives. There is too much in scripture that suggests they will not, rather than that they will.
Blessings in Christ,
Hidden in Him
Hello PWS! Greetings and salutations.
This issue is up to God. We are not able to judge some things. I have personally known broken people that didn't intend to take their own life yet it ended that way. They were broken down completely mentally and emotionally and I would not think God would condemn a person who really was not responsible for their actions.
Thanks be unto God these matters are not in my courtroom.
This issue is up to God. We are not able to judge some things. I have personally known broken people that didn't intend to take their own life yet it ended that way. They were broken down completely mentally and emotionally and I would not think God would condemn a person who really was not responsible for their actions.
Thanks be unto God these matters are not in my courtroom.
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