Does God need man?

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Big Boy Johnson

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Man won’t end the existence of evil; God will put an end to it, eventually.

Yes, thru man... the Man, Jesus Christ... Who is also God's Word come in the flesh.


You say God is man, while scripture states God is not a man. That’ a glaring contradiction.

Jesus... is a Man, and He is God.


Don’t be obtuse. Where is your scriptural support stating that God needs you, or anything at all.

If He doesn't need man... then He's going way far out of His way to do things to bless mean... for NO reason at all?

Based on God's actions... He wants man, and since He decided that He wants man... He need man.

Otherwise, He wouldn't be paying attention to man so much.

Even the angels recognized that man is very valuable to the Lord:

Psalm 8:4
What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?



Do you think God is lacking?

Apparently God thought He needed more... otherwise He never would have created man.
 

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God isn’t a narcissist. You’re seeing something which wasn’t implied.

Man must exist in order for man to worship God. It’s as simple as that.
No. I saw exactly what you stated,again.
You just won't see what you are saying about God.

God does not need.

Any self identified deity that claims being needy, is not God.
 

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Yeah, those talkin bout stickin it to the Man... gonn a get stuck!



God does not need.

Sure, He could have gotten by without man... until He decided He wanted to create man... and once He decided that, He then had a need for man, all because He wanted man!

It's nothing to argue over.

God's actions prove that He decided some where along the line that... He needed man!

I'm thinking God wanted a family! So He created man and sadly most of them rejected Him.
 

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No. I saw exactly what you stated,again.

You didn’t understand what I said. For that reason, I spelled it out for you.

You just won't see what you are saying about God.

You want me to say something about God that I’m not saying, and never will.

God does not need.

I won’t say that God doesn’t need you. You can say it yourself, if you care to.

Any self identified deity that claims being needy, is not God.

God doesn’t claim to be needy, and I don’t claim that he is.
 

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You didn’t understand what I said. For that reason, I spelled it out for you.



You want me to say something about God that I’m not saying, and never will.



I won’t say that God doesn’t need you. You can say it yourself, if you care to.



God doesn’t claim to be needy, and I don’t claim that he is.
Oh, I understand .

You don't realize your double speak cancels everything you've said.
And yet,you imagine what you are saying is insightful. And it is. It shows you speak and then cancel what you affirmed.

"I have no issue with others agreeing or disagreeing with me, and vice versa." Your Post 85
 

Matthias

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Oh, I understand .

You don't realize your double speak cancels everything you've said.

There is no doublespeak and I meant everything that I said.

And yet,you imagine what you are saying is insightful. And it is. It shows you speak and then cancel what you affirmed.

"I have no issue with others agreeing or disagreeing with me, and vice versa." Your Post 89

I don’t have an issue with agreeing or disagreeing with you and I don’t have an issue with you agreeing or disagreeing with me.

If we agree, fine. If we don’t agree, fine.
 

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I have a plan in mind for the little car, which I‘m hoping the local constabulary will find to be done in grand style if not in good taste.

I was teasing you, brother.

So your plan is to drive, dressed as a gorilla? Neat!

Blessings.
 
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No? Just because we are created for the purpose of being His Body, that doesn't mean that's what happens all the time and everywhere.
Was man created to be his body? That doesn’t really make sense….

“God is a spirit“ and spirits have “bodies”, as the Bible clearly states…..their bodies are just not material because they do not inhabit a material realm. When angels brought messages to God’s human servants, they materialized human form and appeared as humans, spoke as humans, and even ate and drank as humans. When their mission was finished, they simply dissolved their human body and returned to the spirit realm….

1 Cor 15:40-49…
”And there are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies; but the glory of the heavenly bodies is one sort, and that of the earthly bodies is a different sort. 41 The glory of the sun is one sort, and the glory of the moon is another, and the glory of the stars is another; in fact, one star differs from another star in glory.

42 So it is with the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised up in incorruption. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised up in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised up in power. 44 It is sown a physical body; it is raised up a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual one. 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 However, what is spiritual is not first. What is physical is first, and afterward what is spiritual. 47 The first man is from the earth and made of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we will bear also the image of the heavenly one.”

So the chosen ones, (saints, elect) have a heavenly inheritance that will transform them from beings of flesh, to spirit beings, so that they can dwell in the presence of the Creator. These are the “body of Christ”…his co-rulers in heaven. (Rev 20:6) This is how they are “born again” as spirit beings.

In the beginning, God made clear the assignment for which he created humans, who were greater in intelligence than any other “souls” he created, and endowed with God’s moral qualities and attributes (missing in other sentient creatures) and superbly formed physically for the task he assigned for them alone.

‘Why we were created to live here in the first place’ is the vitally important question because our purpose in being created was to fulfill God’s will…..we have no idea how long God was alone in his realm before he created his spirit ”sons”……he being complete and perfect in every way, he did not “need” other beings in order to be content. But according to scripture, “God is love”….he is the epitome of all that love is, so what was missing? Other living creatures on whom God could share and shower his love. Angels were his first “sons”. He filled his realm with millions of them, all individually created.…and free willed.

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth” is the opening declaration of Genesis chapter 1.
This is the “beginning” of the material “heavens” not the spirit realm in which spirit beings reside. They were in existence before the material universe was created. (Job 38:3-7)

The earth was chosen in a vast universe, and carefully prepared to support all the life forms that God created to live here.…we are part of that creation, specifically designed to take care of all that God had made….like God himself would if he was a human being on earth.

If we lose sight of our purpose here and begin imagining that we were destined for greater things, we have lost sight of the big picture altogether. Our planet, and in fact, our solar system is so insignificant that, looking at the perspective we have now of our place in it, don’t we have to wonder why God chose this tiny speck to begin creating other life forms?

Can we see how this small excursion into creating sentient life of infinite variety here, might have been just the beginning of something much grander? When we see the scale of things in creation…the magnitude of the universe itself compared with the perfection and variety of living things even at a microscopic level here on earth, don’t we begin to see how incredibly amazing our Creator is, and what he might be accomplishing here to begin a much grander project in the future?

If all the “bugs” associated with the gift of free will are ironed out here first, God then has forever to create whatever he wishes according to his purpose. Precedents are set so that what happened here can never happen again. His sovereignty was challenged by one of his own sons first, so this isn’t just about us…it’s about all of his children…those already in existence, and those who are to come.
Life is a gift that goes on giving, just as love is…..

1 John 4:16-19….
“And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us.

God is love, and the one who remains in love remains in union with God and God remains in union with him. 17 In this way love has been made perfect in us, so that we may have freeness of speech in the day of judgment, because just as that one is, so are we ourselves in this world. 18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts fear out, because fear restrains us. Indeed, the one who is fearful has not been made perfect in love. 19 We love, because he first loved us.”

He loves us enough to want to rid the world of evil forever….he couldn’t tell us about what evil would do to our lives if we abused our free will, (though he tried) so when bad choices were made “in the beginning”, he allowed all of his children to learn the hard lessons about the value of obedience. We have seen first hand where disobedience leads and those of the right heart will never want to go there again. All humans and angels who want to do their own will instead of the Creator’s, will be permanently eliminated, so that God‘s will can be “done on earth, as it is in heaven”…..this is what Jesus taught us to pray for….complete unity for God’s universal family.

The Big Picture.
 

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Then how does his plan for the future work without man?

God wants all men to be saved. Not all men will be saved. I think that speaks to the potentiality issue.

God does not need a plan B. If he set out to do something he will succeed and failure is impossible.

The question I would think centers around the plan for man as a whole. God wouldn't have created us in the first place if we would fall without an opportunity for redemption.

In a cosmic battleground of spirits in the heavens, what is our world but an microcosm of that battle. A battle where the enemy does not even comprehend the victory conditions.
 
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