DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?

[Ezra]

And yet you wish to discuss the Bible.

you cant discuss the Bible by cherry picking scriptures acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. i am will to discuss but not with ground rules not excepting all the word of God . 98 % your right on one thing Good night at least with scott i could bring my point out

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Every revelation from God is special. But ask yourself (that you might approve)-- Did not even Jesus "reinterpret the scriptures according to some 'special revelation?'" Why then are you offended when I do the same according to what He Himself has arranged for further revelation during these times?

Jesus is God- you are not!

BTW do you believe in transubstantiation?

 

[ScottA]

Jesus is God- you are not!

Yes, Jesus is God, and it is He who has been speaking to you--not me (just as He said it would occur).

 

[GodsGrace]

you cant discuss the Bible by cherry picking scriptures acts 20:27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. i am will to discuss but not with ground rules not excepting all the word of God . 98 % your right on one thing Good night at least with scott i could bring my point out

It's difficult to speak to someone that is being judgmental and who doesn't even know you.
I don't cherry pick.

I asked you a specific question and you didn't reply.
I can't beg you to reply.

No hard feelings!

 

[Verily]

You're extremely ignorant of not only scripture and exegeting verses,
but are totally in the dark regarding the history of the church.

Again,,,PETER was the leader of the Apostles:
He is the leader of the Apostles as represented in the NT.

The only Apostle of their profession was Jesus Christ, not Peter

Heb 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus

The foundation is on the plurality of the apostles, Christ being chief

Ephes 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone

Paul said he reccoginized Cephas equally so among those who seemed to be pillars

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Paul mentioning James before Cephas. And James was the one who rendered the sentence after all had spoken in Acts 15:19 and James had the last word., which was certainly not apart hearing what Paul and Barnabas told them and the dispute that arose from the sect of the Pharisees that believed and from Peters two cents after the dispute arose.

 

[GodsGrace]

The only Apostle of their profession was Jesus Christ, not Peter

Heb 3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus

The foundation is on the plurality of the apostles, Christ being chief

Ephes 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone

Paul said he reccoginized Cephas equally so among those who seemed to be pillars

Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Paul mentioning James before Cephas. And James was the one who rendered the sentence after all had spoken in Acts 15:19 and James had the last word., which was certainly not apart hearing what Paul and Barnabas told them and the dispute that arose from the sect of the Pharisees that believed and from Peters two cents after the dispute arose.

So V....
According to you....
Could you please tell us who the church looked up to after Jesus died?

Or did each Apostle just do whatever he thought was best?
Or Did Jesus come back down to earth every now and then and set up home churches,,,have meeings (also known as councils) and the like.

 

[Verily]

So V....
According to you....
Could you please tell us who the church looked up to after Jesus died?

Or did each Apostle just do whatever he thought was best?
Or Did Jesus come back down to earth every now and then and set up home churches,,,have meeings (also known as councils) and the like.

Not playing the Catholic games, spent years doing it, its so boring and empty of any sense

 

[GodsGrace]

Not playing the Catholic games, spent years doing it, its so boring and empty of any sense

That's OK by me.
Except I'm not Catholic.

So knowing HOW the church got started is boring and empty of any sense?

Thanks for that.
It took quite a bit of study to learn about the early church.

Catholics may have their problems but we Protestants sure do hate church history.
I have a sis-in-law that won't celebrate Christmas because it's a pagan holiday...and she's born again.

So do as you wish Verily....

Just remember that the history of the church did NOT end with Acts OR Revelation.

Peter was THE LEADER of the early church and one of the 5 Bishops in that area that took on organizing the church and protecting its
doctrine. The only reason you and I are here today speaking about Christianity is because the early church did not allow heresy to enter into it.

And, yes, the CC was indeed the first church since its origins can be traced back to the beginning.
Simple history.

You can't accept simple history?
No problem. It took me some years also.

BTW,,,,it's also OK to be Catholic too...for any of our Catholic brothers that might be reading this.
There is only ONE BODY in Christ Jesus.

Amen.

 

[Ezra]

It's difficult to speak to someone that is being judgmental and who doesn't even know you.
I don't cherry pick.

I asked you a specific question and you didn't reply.
I can't beg you to reply.

No hard feelings!

here is what the Bible says avoid foolish questions ---“But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.”

 

[Verily]

That's OK by me.
Except I'm not Catholic.

It's still a catholic game of manipulation of asking such questions to bring back the headship of Peter in some way. Does not even matter if you personally are not, my whole family was (both sides of it) and I am married into it.

And, yes, the CC was indeed the first church since its origins can be traced back to the beginning.
Simple history.

The CC is not written for our examples fortunately

1 Cr 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

You can't accept simple history?
No problem. It took me some years also.

Yes

1 Cr 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition,

BTW,,,,it's also OK to be Catholic too...for any of our Catholic brothers that might be reading this.
There is only ONE BODY in Christ Jesus.

Amen.

I'll be sure to tell my whole family!

 

[ScottA]

Not playing the Catholic games, spent years doing it, its so boring and empty of any sense

@GodsGrace

I would echo the above by Verily, but since you perhaps actually believe that narrow slice of the history of the church, I wanted to encourage you to consider more fully what has actually occurred.

Yes, all those things did occur within the church, and yet it is not all that occurred. The actual events are to be "rightly divided" from the events of what has occurred in this world, from those which have not occurred in this world but in heaven. In the world each sect in fact even tells what has occurred differently. But they are all to be consider "of this world", while Christ's church of "spiritual stones" is not to be found within any of their church records, or the history of this world. That divide ought to be as obvious as heaven is from earth--as there is no communion between the two, except as biblically defined as being as different as "flesh and blood" and "the spirit of God."

What then of the great things done within the church--that I am sure you are aware of and have even referred to? The precedent for this, is that of what Israel did before us: One king walked with God and the next did not--for centuries, and still, the word of God was carried forward in spite of their successes and failures. And then--Israel's big finish? They killed many of those sent to them with words from God, and then crucified the Messiah. All the while thinking they were "chosen" and good, if only in their own eyes.

Are we more virtuous than they were? No, but all have fallen short--as that is our condition since Adam. Meaning, yes, many good carried the water of the gospel of Christ and accomplished many good works. But it is not their own works they were carrying, nor is any great credit due to but a few in the end; and unfortunately the church (whether yours or someone else's) Christ, by example, reported having "somewhat against" 5 out of 7, and 5 out of 10 are in need of "buying oil", and "all have fallen short"--and "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"--just like it was with Israel before us. And the advise given? “When you are invited by anyone to a wedding feast, do not sit down in the best place, lest one more honorable than you be invited by him; and he who invited you and him come and say to you, ‘Give place to this man,’ and then you begin with shame to take the lowest place" (Luke 14:8-9).

 

[ScottA]

The only reason you and I are here today speaking about Christianity is because the early church did not allow heresy to enter into it.

That's not biblical. Read: 2 Peter 2:

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.​

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Note that Peter is speaking to those of that current time that would themselves be exploited and deceived.

 

[Verily]

That's not biblical. Read: 2 Peter 2:

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.​

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Note that Peter is speaking to those of that current time that would themselves be exploited and deceived.

And the prophet Jeremiah back even further as Peter did reaches back further than his own current time saying

Jeremiah 28:8 The prophets that have been before me and before thee of old prophesied both against many countries, and against great kingdoms, of war, and of evil, and of pestilence.

These things have always been ongoing, even following corrupt traditions

Jeremiah 44:16-17 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

It shows this was present back then (among themselves) to draw away

Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

And here it is within (to keep the apostles outside)

3John 1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, Jesus is God, and it is He who has been speaking to you--not me (just as He said it would occur).

Do you mean that you believe that the Spirit has been try to speak to Ronaldnolette through you, Scott?

 

[ScottA]

Do you mean that you believe that the Spirit has been try to speak to Ronaldnolette through you, Scott?

No...I do not "believe" but know. But not specifically to @Ronald Nolette, but to all.

But do not misunderstand, there are many who speak in much the same way, but do so falsely not having been sent by God. There are indeed those who feel empowered to do so, but stemming from a false foundation which began even during the early church, who simply don't know any better. As it is written: "For more are the children of the desolate Than the children of the married woman,” says the LORD" (Isaiah 54:1). Even so, Jesus arranged for those who would be sent who would not speak, but the Holy Spirit in them would speak, guiding us who are His into "all truth" as He promised. In other words, all who claim to be sent by God and claim their words are from God, are not to be believed--but some are.

But it should be no mystery that because of false teachers entering into the church teaching false and destructive doctrines beginning during the times of the apostles, that in order to come out of such apostacy, that words of correction should also come to fulfill the promise of being guided into all truth. If one actually considers every word--it should actually be expected. But is such an expectation common among the church today? Not even!

 

[Hey You!]

But in these Last Days, the Spirit has Spoken to us in his Word. If a new word doesn't match, we're to disregard the new word...

 

[GodsGrace]

That's not biblical. Read: 2 Peter 2:

But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.​

​

Note that Peter is speaking to those of that current time that would themselves be exploited and deceived.

Scott, WHAT are you talking about?

I made a statement to another member...
I stated history:
If it were not for the CC, which is the original church, that banished HERESIES from the early church....
you and I and the other member would not be here today discussing these topics BECAUSE Christianity would have been wiped out by all the heresies circulation.

And your reply is the above?

Are you stating, by posting 2 Peter 2, that the early church was not following the truth?

The early church: Either the Apostles or those that knew the Apostles and were taught by them.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace

I would echo the above by Verily, but since you perhaps actually believe that narrow slice of the history of the church, I wanted to encourage you to consider more fully what has actually occurred.

Yes, all those things did occur within the church, and yet it is not all that occurred. The actual events are to be "rightly divided" from the events of what has occurred in this world, from those which have not occurred in this world but in heaven. In the world each sect in fact even tells what has occurred differently. But they are all to be consider "of this world", while Christ's church of "spiritual stones" is not to be found within any of their church records, or the history of this world. That divide ought to be as obvious as heaven is from earth--as there is no communion between the two, except as biblically defined as being as different as "flesh and blood" and "the spirit of God."

What then of the great things done within the church--that I am sure you are aware of and have even referred to? The precedent for this, is that of what Israel did before us: One king walked with God and the next did not--for centuries, and still, the word of God was carried forward in spite of their successes and failures. And then--Israel's big finish? They killed many of those sent to them with words from God, and then crucified the Messiah. All the while thinking they were "chosen" and good, if only in their own eyes.

Are we more virtuous than they were? No, but all have fallen short--as that is our condition since Adam. Meaning, yes, many good carried the water of the gospel of Christ and accomplished many good works. But it is not their own works they were carrying, nor is any great credit due to but a few in the end; and unfortunately the church (whether yours or someone else's) Christ, by example, reported having "somewhat against" 5 out of 7, and 5 out of 10 are in need of "buying oil", and "all have fallen short"--and "there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"--just like it was with Israel before us. And the advise given? “When you are invited by anyone to a wedding feast, do not sit down in the best place, lest one more honorable than you be invited by him; and he who invited you and him come and say to you, ‘Give place to this man,’ and then you begin with shame to take the lowest place" (Luke 14:8-9).

You're all over different time periods above.

I was referring to THE EARLY CHURCH, right after Jesus and by the end of the first century when the early church was established with the Missionary Journeys.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's still a catholic game of manipulation of asking such questions to bring back the headship of Peter in some way. Does not even matter if you personally are not, my whole family was (both sides of it) and I am married into it.

The CC is not written for our examples fortunately

1 Cr 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.



Yes

1 Cr 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition,

I'll be sure to tell my whole family!

Look Verily,
This gets really tiring.
Learn some history.
Find out who the leader of the Apostles was.
Find out who the Bishop of Rome was.
Find out how many bishops there were and where.
Find out why there were bishops. ----- The NT commands that we have them...you might have skipped that part.

Or stay ignorant of the history of your faith.
Your choice.

 

[ScottA]

Scott, WHAT are you talking about?

I made a statement to another member...
I stated history:
If it were not for the CC, which is the original church, that banished HERESIES from the early church....
you and I and the other member would not be here today discussing these topics BECAUSE Christianity would have been wiped out by all the heresies circulation.

And your reply is the above?

Are you stating, by posting 2 Peter 2, that the early church was not following the truth?

The early church: Either the Apostles or those that knew the Apostles and were taught by them.

Why do you turn a blind eye to the scripture I quoted, and turn to the history that was corrupted according those same apostles?

It is obvious from you question that you know nothing of what has actually occurred since the time of the apostles.

In reality--not history as it may be assumed)--but according to God's word, the church was all but "wiped out by the heresies circulation", biblically due to false teachers within the church, who many have believed since that time, according to the "lie" foretold by Paul causing "strong delusion" which is now apparent and has long since come to fruition.