Does Satan run the world? Or does God?

[MatthewG]

”The Pharisees and Sadducees came to Jesus. They wanted to test him. So they asked him to show them a miracle as a sign from God.

Jesus answered, “When you people see the sunset, you know what the weather will be. If the sky is red, you say we will have good weather. And in the morning, if the sky is

dark and red, you say that it will be a rainy day. These are signs of the weather. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that are happening now.

These are also signs, but you don’t know their meaning. It is the evil and sinful people who want to see a miracle as a sign from God. But no miracle will be done to prove anything to them. The only sign will be the miracle that happened to Jonah.”

Then Jesus went away from there. Jesus and his followers went across the lake. But the followers forgot to bring bread. Jesus said to the followers, “Be careful! Guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.” The followers discussed the meaning of this. They said, “Did Jesus say this because we forgot to bring bread?”

Jesus knew that they were talking about this. So he asked them, “Why are you talking about not having bread? Your faith is small. Do you still not understand? Remember the five loaves of bread that fed the 5000 people and the many baskets you filled with the bread that was left?

And remember the seven loaves of bread that fed the 4000 people and the many baskets you filled that time? So how could you think that I am concerned about bread? I am telling you to be careful and guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.”

Then the followers understood what Jesus meant.

He was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread. He was telling them to guard against the teaching of the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Jesus went to the area of Caesarea Philippi. He said to his followers, “Who do people say I am?” They answered, “Some people say you are John the Baptizer. Others say you are Elijah.

And some say you are Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” Then Jesus said to his followers, “And who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus answered, “You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah.

No one taught you that. My Father in heaven showed you who I am. So I tell you, you are Peter. And I will build my church on this rock.

The power of death will not be able to defeat my church. I will give you the keys to God’s kingdom. When you speak judgment here on earth, that judgment will be God’s judgment.

When you promise forgiveness here on earth, that forgiveness will be God’s forgiveness.” Then Jesus warned his followers not to tell anyone he was the Messiah.

From that time Jesus began telling his followers that he must go to Jerusalem. He explained that the older Jewish leaders, the leading priests, and the teachers of the law would make him suffer many things. And he told his followers that he must be killed. Then, on the third day, he would be raised from death. Peter took Jesus away from the other followers to talk to him alone. He began to criticize him.

He said, “God save you from those sufferings, Lord! That will never happen to you!” Then Jesus said to Peter, “Get away from me, Satan! You are not helping me! You don’t care about the same things God does. You care only about things that people think are important.”

Then Jesus said to his followers, “If any of you want to be my follower, you must stop thinking about yourself and what you want. You must be willing to carry the cross that is given to you for following me. Any of you who try to save the life you have will lose it.

But you who give up your life for me will find true life. It is worth nothing for you to have the whole world if you yourself are lost.

You could never pay enough to buy back your life. The Son of Man will come again with his Father’s glory and with his angels. And he will reward everyone for what they have done. Believe me when I say that there are some people standing here who will see the Son of Man coming with his kingdom before they die.”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭1‬-‭28‬ ‭ERV‬‬

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[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Nope. Verse 27 talks the Son of Man coming in glory; Verse 28 never mentions glory, angels, or rewards. Verse 28 only promises that some standing there will see the inauguration of Christ's Kingdom. Not the final victory.

I am not a preterist. But I will not try to hide scriptures they use to shore up their side.
They, of course, are wrong... but still so are you on this....

When you or anyone reading this are talking bible verses.... PLEASE..... quote the verse you are referencing with the translation you are using.

Such as

Matthew 16:27-28 KJV
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Greek Interlinear.

27. Is about for the Son of the man to come in the glory the Father of Him with the angels of Him and then he will give to each according to the deeds of him

28. Truly I say to you- there are some of those here standing who no not shall taste of death until- they have seen the Son- of Man coming in the kingdom of Him

The Peshitta

16:27 For the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father, with all his holy angels; and then will he recompense to every man as his deeds are.

16:28 Verily I say to you: There are some persons standing here, who shall not taste death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

 

[MatthewG]

”One day the Pharisees and Sadducees came to test Jesus, demanding that he show them a miraculous sign from heaven to prove his authority.

He replied, “You know the saying, ‘Red sky at night means fair weather tomorrow; red sky in the morning means foul weather all day.’

You know how to interpret the weather signs in the sky, but you don’t know how to interpret the signs of the times!

Only an evil, adulterous generation would demand a miraculous sign, but the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet Jonah.” Then

Jesus left them and went away. Later, after they crossed to the other side of the lake, the disciples discovered they had forgotten to bring any bread. “Watch out!” Jesus warned them. “Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” At this they began to argue with each other because they hadn’t brought any bread.

Jesus knew what they were saying, so he said, “You have so little faith! Why are you arguing with each other about having no bread?

Don’t you understand even yet? Don’t you remember the 5,000 I fed with five loaves, and the baskets of leftovers you picked up? Or the 4,000 I fed with seven loaves, and the large baskets of leftovers you picked up? Why can’t you understand that I’m not talking about bread?

So again I say, ‘Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.’” Then at last they understood that he wasn’t speaking about the yeast in bread, but about the deceptive teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees. When

Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” “Well,” they replied, “some say John the Baptist, some say Elijah, and others say Jeremiah or one of the other prophets.” Then he asked them, “But who do you say I am?” Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”

Jesus replied, “You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being. Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. And I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Whatever you forbid on earth will be forbidden in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will be permitted in heaven.”

Then he sternly warned the disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah.

From then on Jesus began to tell his disciples plainly that it was necessary for him to go to Jerusalem, and that he would suffer many terrible things at the hands of the elders, the leading priests, and the teachers of religious law.

He would be killed, but on the third day he would be raised from the dead. But Peter took him aside and began to reprimand him for saying such things. “Heaven forbid, Lord,” he said. “

This will never happen to you!” Jesus turned to Peter and said, “Get away from me, Satan!

You are a dangerous trap to me. You are seeing things merely from a human point of view, not from God’s.”

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If any of you wants to be my follower, you must give up your own way, take up your cross, and follow me. If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it.

But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it. And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul?

For the Son of Man will come with his angels in the glory of his Father and will judge all people according to their deeds.

And I tell you the truth, some standing here right now will not die before they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom.”“
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭16‬:‭1‬-‭28‬ ‭NLT‬‬

 

[Lambano]

I am not a preterist. But I will not try to hide scriptures they use to shore up their side.
They, of course, are wrong... but still so are you on this....

Could be. You won't go broke betting on me being wrong. But that still leaves the problem of what WAS Jesus talking about? So far we have

• A historically undocumented return during the lifetime of some of those within earshot, calling into question the origins and legitimacy of the historical Church post 70 A.D.
• An extended lifetime of one of the apostles. (John's epilogue denies it was John.)
• Jesus cryptically changed contexts
• Jesus used "death" as a spiritual metaphor for something else
• Jesus was misquoted
• Jesus was mistaken
• Jesus intentionally lied.

 

[MatthewG]

Could be. You won't go broke betting on me being wrong. But that still leaves the problem of what WAS Jesus talking about? So far we have

• A historically undocumented return during the lifetime of some of those within earshot, calling into question the origins and legitimacy of the historical Church post 70 A.D.
• An extended lifetime of one of the apostles. (John's epilogue denies it was John.)
• Jesus cryptically changed contexts
• Jesus used "death" as a spiritual metaphor for something else
• Jesus was misquoted
• Jesus was mistaken
• Jesus intentionally lied.

Yes. If he did not come back to that generation of people as he promised. He did lie. That’s what I believe what Jesus said, concerning important things mentioned in the Bible. Even the apostles.

We have hope one day leaving here and moving forward to where God resides. The great tribulation, and the gathering of the bride is over all a once great grand event, seen by through Revelation. That happened over a span of time which would never happen again. It’s hard to believe that would happen again today.

However if people want to make it for future or for present day - people are allowed to choose for themselves… I’m just sharing view that naturally contradict man’s traditions. “Jesus is still coming back?” Many churches all over teach it. I don’t think that is where hope really resides, after knowing he did come back (believed in faith), in 70Ad. With all the temple being melted down, the preisthood, genealogies, everything thing knew was burned down by the judgement by their decision to kill the Son of God.

The hope is having newness of life through him, hoping to go be with God one day.

 

[Lambano]

Or, more likely, most people didn't and still don't understand what Jesus was talking about.

And that includes me.

 

[MatthewG]

Or, more likely, most people didn't and still don't understand what Jesus was talking about.

And that includes me.

What’s some of the other questions you have?
So far we have

1. A historically undocumented return during the lifetime of some of those within earshot, calling into question the origins and legitimacy of the historical Church post 70 A.D.
2. An extended lifetime of one of the apostles. (John's epilogue denies it was John.)
3. Jesus cryptically changed contexts
4. Jesus used "death" as a spiritual metaphor for something else
5. Jesus was misquoted
6. Jesus was mistaken
7. Jesus intentionally lied.

I believe John was taken, when Jesus came back. He never lived passed Ad70. It’s only by a quote of someone that said they knew John, which continues to assume that John wrote later on. Which is not true, and he also did not write about the destruction of Jerusalem, and mention how not to be like his fellow brothers. He wrote about it standing, and how he was told to measure it. It just seems more logical not to believe what manmade traditions tell others.

Jesus lying about that generation or not, is it important? Depends on the seeker. 40 years Yahavah allows for a generation to come to an end, according to a verse in Exodus. Some say that what Jesus had said is an embarrassment.

Do you, or does anyone else think about what Jesus had said is an embarrassment? Or is it important concerning the lives of those whom seen, and those who were Chosen by Jesus to build and form the Church which the gates of hell could not prevail against.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

Could be. You won't go broke betting on me being wrong. But that still leaves the problem of what WAS Jesus talking about? So far we have

• A historically undocumented return during the lifetime of some of those within earshot, calling into question the origins and legitimacy of the historical Church post 70 A.D.
• An extended lifetime of one of the apostles. (John's epilogue denies it was John.)
• Jesus cryptically changed contexts
• Jesus used "death" as a spiritual metaphor for something else
• Jesus was misquoted
• Jesus was mistaken
• Jesus intentionally lied.

But I do not see these 2 verses pointing to AD 70 at all.... in fact... I see the 3 translations(mentioned above) saying something different between the two verses. But will stick with King Jimmy's due to universal acceptance.

Matthew 16:27-28 KJV
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

There should be no "born again" Christian who does not long for this day to come.
It is stated as it will be a future event.

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

shall not taste ... another future indicator

But when was the last time you checked these out ??????

Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power...

2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.

4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

5 And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

6 For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.

7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

8 And suddenly, when they had looked round about, they saw no man any more, save Jesus only with themselves.

9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead

OR

Luke 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.

29 And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering.

30 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:

31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.

I see this verse in Matthew 16:28 referencing the transfiguration.....

Remember, the transfiguration refers to the event described above cited when Jesus took Peter, James, and John to the top of the mountain.

It was here the He where He met with Moses and Elijah—and spoke with them.

They witnessed Jesus in all His glory and splendor, talking with a glorified Moses and Elijah.

And is what we expect will occur in Jesus’ kingdom.

It is only logical to see the transfiguration as the proper interpretation as we read Matt 16:28, Mark 9:1 and Like 9:27

6 days after .... exactly as Jesus predicted, "some" would witness ....

Each of these gospels ..... in the very next passage after the promise from Jesus IS the transfiguration showing Jesus in all His glory which will be seen again in the Kingdom of God. (Mathew is carried to chapter 17...>
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

So... These verses simply cannot refer to anything AD 70... PERIOD!

 

[MatthewG]

Matthew 17 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.

8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a certain man, kneeling down to him, and saying,

15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.

17 Then Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him hither to me.

18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast him out?

20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

21 Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:

23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

24 And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

25 He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

 

[MatthewG]

Matthew 18

King James Version

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18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.
24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.
28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.
29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.
31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.
32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:
33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?
34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette Was Jesus and his temptation from Satan, just temptations and struggles.

Satan couldn't really give all the kingdoms to Jesus, could he?

Why do people look at Satan as a "god", when he was a fallen angel, how does that make him a "god"?

1. Satan could have given Jesus the kingdoms, as it says in Luke:

Luke 4

King James Version

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4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Satan will give world rule to his own son (antichrist) in the future.

People create false gods out of things that are not God because of our fallen nature.

 

[MatthewG]

1. Satan could have given Jesus the kingdoms, as it says in Luke:

Luke 4​

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King James Version​

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4 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,
2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

Satan will give world rule to his own son (antichrist) in the future.

People create false gods out of things that are not God because of our fallen nature.

Would not Satan at that time, be temptations of the Jewish people of that time, who worshipped the LAW, and desired to kill Jesus? I dont believe that the Jewish nation of Israel would be considered Satan today, but then in that time I would say so.

A lot of people believe Satan is that satanic character of looney toons.

 

[MatthewG]

The Jewish people at that time would have loved to have seen Jesus become an Idol, and be able to have control over all of that "world" that had existed, and not bringing in the new which the Father desired. Have you ever thought about this or heard about it before @Ronald Nolette

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Would not Satan at that time, be temptations of the Jewish people of that time, who worshipped the LAW, and desired to kill Jesus? I dont believe that the Jewish nation of Israel would be considered Satan today, but then in that time I would say so.

A lot of people believe Satan is that satanic character of looney toons.View attachment 43725

No it was lucifer whom we call Satan or the devil. He is a beautiful creatrure as scripture declares, but what he looks like as a cherub I don't know.

 

[MatthewG]

No it was lucifer whom we call Satan or the devil. He is a beautiful creatrure as scripture declares, but what he looks like as a cherub I don't know.

Okay, well I am gonna have to disagree with you. I believe that the nation of Israel at the time, had become the Ha'Satan, they had killed the Lord Jesus Christ. And because of this, after resurrection and ascending, Satan was hindered for a moment before getting rid of by and through that former economy being divorced by God and God establishing a new covenant, now.

Satan has never owned the world. That is just something that is commonly said. The Nation of Israel known as Jews in the days of Jesus Christ, become the resembling of Ha'Satan and the darkness which comes by and through temptation to the Lord Jesus Christ, in order to bow down to them, and to accept the kindgoms that were there then at that time, but Jesus denied thought temptations which were coming by and through spiritual means which he had fought against.

God is the one whom has always owned the world. Now the Nation of Israel become the "prince" of their own world, which God had gave them, but they still did not love God at all, and worshiped law, and manmade traditions, and religious practices in order to be made right with God, instead of the Lord Jesus Christ, in that especially was well high in regard and Paul tried to get people to address in that time and place, to no turn and become unbelieving of the good news.

 

[Lambano]

Each of these gospels ..... in the very next passage after the promise from Jesus IS the transfiguration showing Jesus in all His glory which will be seen again in the Kingdom of God. (Mathew is carried to chapter 17...>

I like the way you think.

In the three Synoptic Gospels, the verses preceding the saying, 'Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.' (...with power - Mark) are about self-denial and being ashamed of Christ. The following verses record the Transfiguration. You've decoupled the promise of seeing the Kingdom of God from the verses about self-denial and instead couple them with the Transfiguration.

(The chapter break in Matthew is artificial anyway.)

Then the question becomes, can "seeing the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom (with power)" be considered fulfilled by witnessing the Transfiguration?

That I can accept.

 

[3 Resurrections]

Same Greek prepositional phrase, "ἕν τῃ βασιλείᾳ" as in Luke 23:43, usually translated "Jesus, remember me Lord, when You come into Your kingdom". Not buying it.

Christ's role as the anointed Great high priest King over His kingdom was inaugurated on His resurrection-day ascension to the Father. I believe we both agree on this, yes? The "change in the law" mentioned in Hebrews 7:12 was launched with the New Covenant change in the high priesthood, with Christ's becoming the Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek on His resurrection day.

Daniel 7: 13-14 predicted this resurrection day with the Ancient of days giving the risen Christ a kingdom, dominion, and glory. Christ would then return later for the resurrected saints while still being the Great High Priest King in that kingdom. He would return with all the holy angels, and would give rewards according to what every man had done - whether "sheep" or "goats".

And Christ announced that some of those whom He had just been speaking to would not die before they saw His return, coming in the glory of His Father while in that kingdom - a kingdom which had been predicted to last forever.

Then the question becomes, can witnessing the Transfiguration be properly considered "seeing the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom (with power)"?

No, it can't. That is because Elijah and Moses in Luke 9:31 were talking with Christ about "His departure" (not His coming return) which He would accomplish at Jerusalem by His crucifixion death. Christ did not return in glory at either the transfiguration or His crucifixion. No rewards for everyone were handed out on either occasion. And all the holy angels did not return with Christ at the transfiguration or His crucifixion.

The coming of Christ which He prophesied in Matthew 16:27-28 was timed to occur before some of those He was speaking to in that generation had died.
That solemn prediction of "verily, I say unto you..." would not have been any kind of prophecy at all if Christ had been referring to the transfiguration taking place within six days as being His "coming". There was no "coming" on the Mount of Transfiguration, since Christ hadn't even left the ground yet at that point. Virtually everyone whom Christ was speaking directly to in Matthew 16:27-28 was still alive six days later. No kind of marvelous prophetic pronouncement at all if Christ meant that His "coming" was His transfiguration.

 

[3 Resurrections]

A historically undocumented return during the lifetime of some of those within earshot, calling into question the origins and legitimacy of the historical Church post 70 A.D.

I'm not certain why you would think the origins and legitimacy of the historical church post-AD 70 would be in question, if Christ bodily returned in that first-century generation as He promised. The progress of the "rock" kingdom of Christ was going to be inevitable in this world. It would grow steadily in size until it grew into a great mountain that would fill the whole world (Daniel 2:34-35).

This growth of the "rock" kingdom of Christ has continued to happen since AD 70 when Christ returned to gather all the resurrected saints who had died up until then. Christ the "rock" cut without hands struck the feet of that statue a single blow back then and reduced the entire statue to shattered pieces which blew away like chaff on the winds. "Of the increase of His government and of His peace there shall be no end." Every time another soul is brought to life in Christ, the increase of Christ's government and peace between God and men continues to build.

 

[Rella ~ I am a woman]

I like the way you think.

In the three Synoptic Gospels, the verses preceding the saying, 'Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.' (...with power - Mark) are about self-denial and being ashamed of Christ. The following verses record the Transfiguration. You've decoupled the promise of seeing the Kingdom of God from the verses about self-denial and instead couple them with the Transfiguration.

(The chapter break in Matthew is artificial anyway.)

Then the question becomes, can "seeing the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom (with power)" be considered fulfilled by witnessing the Transfiguration?

That I can accept.

In my opinion that only makes sense.

 

[Lambano]

In my opinion that only makes sense.

I agree.