Don't deny the Rapture and be left behind!!!

[rwb]

Don't deny the Rapture and be left behind!!!
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
13 And now, dear brothers, I want you to know what happens to a Christian when he dies so that when it happens, you will not be full of sorrow, as those are who have no hope. 14 For since we believe that Jesus died and then came back to life again, we can also believe that when Jesus returns, God will bring back with him all the Christians who have died.

15 I can tell you this directly from the Lord: that we who are still living when the Lord returns will not rise to meet him ahead of those who are in their graves. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a mighty shout and with the soul-stirring cry of the archangel and the great trumpet-call of God. And the believers who are dead will be the first to rise to meet the Lord. 17 Then we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. 18 So comfort and encourage each other with this news.===Caught up IS the rapture. After the years of the great tribulation Jesus will return to earth and bring the raptured believers with Him and defeat all evil and set up His eternal kingdom here on earth and God will have His home here for all eternity!. PTL

Why did you stop reading? The message continues into chapter 5. Paul says of this time for which you've spoken, none shall know the times and seasons that the "day of the Lord so cometh" as a thief in the night for "they" who are not watching for Him to come again will believe all is well with the world. Paul says of THEM there shall be sudden destruction, and NONE shall escape. Only the children of the light and day, who are not of darkness, and watching, waiting for Him will be caught up (raptured) to meet the Lord in the air. For the rest of humanity (they who are not looking for His coming again) sudden inescapable destruction, THEY shall not escape.

1 Thessalonians 5:1-6 (KJV) But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

The ones returning with Christ when He comes again, are faithful saints who physically died waiting for Christ to come. They come back with Him spiritually, living souls from heaven where every believer spiritually ascends after our body breathes its last. Their physical body will be the first to be resurrected to immortal & incorruptible life, followed by the faithful saints still physically alive at His coming, and are in the wink of an eye physically changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible to ascend with EVERY saint to meet the Lord in the air. Every immortal & incorruptible saint will be with Christ in the air until the wrath of God by fire consuming the whole earth is over. Then the saints with Christ shall come down to a new heaven and new earth where there will be no more death, no more sin, sorrow or suffering, for all things then will be made new again. Then shall be the eternal age, where the saints will be with Christ forevermore.

 

[rwb]

God says He will return for those looking for Him so those not looking will not be caught up!!!Their choice!

Actually we shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, or we shall be left on this earth to be caught on fire!

 

[rwb]

Yes!! Children of God will be caught up to heaven at the rapture but those that deny the rapture must try to go through the years of the great tribulation first!!! Be smart and believe!!!

Actually those who are not caught up to meet the Lord in the air will be left on this earth to be burned up by the fire of God from heaven. There won't be more time given this earth after Christ comes again and gathers together His saints. The next age, the age of eternity when saints will be immortal and incorruptible will begin. On the last day when Christ comes again, as the saying goes, "we shall be caught up, or caught on", time shall be no more.

 

[rwb]

Yes!!! After the rapture millions will see their great error and become believers but then they must try to live under anti-Christ rule in the years of the great tribulation until Jesus returns with the raptured saints to defeat all evil and set up His eternal kingdom here!!

This is unbiblical! Now is the time for being saved. Once the seventh angel sounds the only time that will be left on this earth is Satan's "little season", not for salvation, Satan will try to destroy whoever of the Church is left on the earth before the Church (believers) is caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Then fire will come down out of heaven from God to destroy all that is still alive on this first earth. After this first earth passes away the new heaven and earth will come down from God out of heaven.

 

[David in NJ]

Remember Lot's wife. - Luke 17:32

1 John 2:15-18
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh, the desires of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not from the Father but from the world.
The world is passing away, along with its desires; but whoever does the will of God remains forever.

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared.

 

[rwb]

Actually hundreds of thousands (millions?) have gone up to Heaven.
1. Enoch the seventh from Adam went to Heaven
2. Moses was in Heaven since he met Christ at His transfiguration
3. Elijah the prophet who was taken up in a heavenly chariot, who also met Christ at His transfiguration
4. Christ Himself several times.
5. All the OT saints who were in Hades (but after the resurrection of Christ)
6. Beginning with Stephen, all the NT saints after the ascension of Christ
7. Paul who went to Heaven, but also returned to earth
8. The apostle John, who also went to Heaven, and returned to earth

What Christ said in John 3:13 was to indicate His own uniqueness. (1) He descended from Heaven, but (2) He was still in Heaven, and (3) He would ascend back to Heaven. Only God the Son could do this.

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Christ's ascension was unique in that He had the power to ascend up to Heaven without any assistance. No doubt, He was surrounded by angels while He ascended, but He had already ascended up to Heaven on the day of His resurrection (perhaps more than once). But how could He still be in Heaven, while He was on earth? That is because He is God, and in the Spirit He was also in Heaven while on earth.

When John writes "no man has ascended up to heaven", it means no mortal, corruptible destined to death human body has ascended there. Because flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God (1Cor 15: 50). When Christ bodily ascended to heaven after His resurrection in human flesh, He could never die again, He had immortality. Heaven is not a place where mortal flesh & blood dwells. It is the habitation of God and His angelic hosts, and the spirits of just men made perfect (Heb 12:23). It is only through our eternal spirit, when possessing everlasting life through Christ that man of faith ascends to heaven a spiritual body when our mortal body dies. Because the life we are promised from Christ that shall never die is not flesh, but of our spirit that in Christ shall never die.

 

[David in NJ]

Brethren,

Do not believe the error of today's false prophets who speak pre-trib rapture.

In their zeal of falsehood they twist scripture to make it conform to their image which they have created for their profit.

They say: "Matthew chapter 24 is not speaking to the Church"

God says: "The Bride belongs to the Bridegroom" = John 3:26-30

So John’s disciples came to him and said, “Look, Rabbi, the One who was with you beyond the Jordan, the One you testified about—
He is baptizing, and everyone is going to Him.”

John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but am sent ahead of Him.’ The Bride belongs to the Bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom stands and listens for him, and is overjoyed to hear the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. He must increase; I must decrease.

JESUS says: Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.
For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.

REVIVAL only begins with believing the words of God.

 

[Enoch111]

The rapture is false doctrine, Ezekiel chapter 13 to document.

Ezekiel 13 is about false prophets. The Rapture is not a false prophecy but a Bible reality.

When John writes "no man has ascended up to heaven", it means no mortal, corruptible destined to death human body has ascended there.

Since Enoch and Elijah went to Heaven without the shadow of a doubt, you have obviously misunderstand what Christ said regarding His ascension. Keep diggin'.

 

[Enoch111]

Brother - you just spoke a complete LIE by saying: "example Matthew 24 has absolutely nothing to say about the Rapture of the Church."

Since the Church is not mentioned in Matthew 24, it seems that you are the liar. The "elect" are the believing remnant of Israel in that chapter, and Christ sends His angels to gather them to Israel. But Christ does not send out angels at the Rapture. He comes personally for His Bride. Do you see how utterly confused you are?

 

[rwb]

Anyone who believes the flesh rises from the grave believes in soul sleep and scripture classifies you as a heathen.

This dirt will not rise , period ...!!!

Why would your soul even wanna come back to this ?(flesh)

Do one not understand we have (TWO) bodies ,the soul is us, the flesh is what we hang out in .At death or at the return of Christ, flesh is gone, never ever to be needed again.

We don't have a soul , we are a soul !!!

We are called "living" souls. If there is not life in the mortal body, we cease to be a living soul. Man is made of body + spirit together = living souls. The spirit of all who live upon the earth returns to God after our mortal body dies. The spirit will either return to God after our body dies with life through His Spirit in us, or the spirit of man after death will return to God without life through His Spirit. It is only through the Spirit of God in man that the life they receive by believing in Christ shall never die.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, (physical body) and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; (spirit life our mind) and man became a living soul (complete human with intellect).

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

John 3:5-7 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

John 14:16-17 (KJV) And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 11:26 (KJV) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

The living spirit with Christ in heaven returns with Christ, because death of the physical body of the believer does not mean believers are altogether without life.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

When the last trump sounds the last day of this age, the physical body of every saint will either be resurrected to physical life again or if still physically alive at His coming, caught up to meet Jesus in the air. At that moment the saints of Christ in mortal, corruptible body of flesh will be changed to immortal, incorruptible and with our spirit together the saints of Christ will once again be complete living souls. Now fit to live forever on the new earth with Christ where all things have been made new again.

For the spirits of man that returned to God after death without the life giving Spirit, their body too will be resurrected for condemnation and the second death that is the lake of fire.

 

[rwb]

We which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord," this is our gathering back to Jesus Christ. "Shall not prevent them", would be better translated, "We are not going to precede [go before] them." We can not precede them for a very simple reason; the dead are already there with God. It is the only logical fact that can come from this. If you do not, or will not believe this, then you believe in soul sleep as the heathen do, and the hope and glory Paul is speaking of, for the Christian, and you are ignorant of God's glory. Whether victorious, or sentenced to hell, all the dead are now with the Father, and not in the ground.

It is the spirit of man that returns to God who gave it. Being alive in heaven after death for believers is to be in heaven a living (spirit) soul. Because humans are only defined a living soul when there is life. This is how we can be confident that death of our body does not mean death of our spirit, because the spirit of the faithful returns to God alive through His Spirit in us, and Christ promised the Spirit giving us life will be with us always. Without life either spirit or physical there is no soul. Life cannot continue in the physical body after death because the spirit departs from that man. But the spirit having eternal life through the life giving Spirit NEVER dies, so when our body dies and returns to dust the faithful are alive (spirit) in heaven with Christ to wait for the seventh trumpet to sound that time given this earth age shall be no more.

 

[rwb]

Ain't nobody in no graves, period.

Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

Then when? After the silver cord breaks, the mind is brain dead, and the body loses its life. Then shall the body "dust" return to the earth as it was, before it was formed into food, and entered your mouth as food to make your flesh body healthy.

The spirit is the intellect of the soul, that gives the soul its identity. This is not complicated. When the body dies, and goes to the grave, the physical body will never have a use again, for the soul has returned to the Father, to God who created it in the first place. Because this is a promise of God, it should be what all Christians look forward to all the days of their lives. That is the day that we will be with the Father and Jesus Christ is heaven, not at some distant time in the future.

Stay with your soul sleep

I agree, that dust returns to dust after physical death! But just as God in the beginning took dust of the earth to form man, so too when Christ comes again the dust will once again be called from the graves in the form of a man to resurrection life or resurrection to condemnation. There is no soul when there is no life (spirit).

 

[rwb]

Ezekiel 13 is about false prophets. The Rapture is not a false prophecy but a Bible reality.

Since Enoch and Elijah went to Heaven without the shadow of a doubt, you have obviously misunderstand what Christ said regarding His ascension. Keep diggin'.

Why would you believe they went to heaven in physical bodies destined to die?

 

[David in NJ]

Since the Church is not mentioned in Matthew 24, it seems that you are the liar. The "elect" are the believing remnant of Israel in that chapter, and Christ sends His angels to gather them to Israel. But Christ does not send out angels at the Rapture. He comes personally for His Bride. Do you see how utterly confused you are?

Brethren,
The Remnant of Israel is the Bride of Christ along with the Remnant of the Gentiles whom God has called = Gospel/Acts
So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

Do not believe the error of today's false prophets who speak pre-trib rapture.

In their zeal of falsehood they twist scripture to make it conform to their image which they have created for their profit.

They say: "Matthew chapter 24 is not speaking to the Church"

God says: "The Bride belongs to the Bridegroom" = John 3:26-30

So John’s disciples came to him and said, “Look, Rabbi, the One who was with you beyond the Jordan, the One you testified about—
He is baptizing, and everyone is going to Him.”

John replied, “A man can receive only what is given him from heaven. You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Christ, but am sent ahead of Him.’ The Bride belongs to the Bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom stands and listens for him, and is overjoyed to hear the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. He must increase; I must decrease.


JESUS says: Sanctify them(us who Believe) by the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world.
For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth.


REVIVAL only begins with believing the words of God.

 

[Taken]

God's words are the most important element for our Salvation and understanding.

If we change just a word in His word it can change the meaning of a sentence and the Truth can be changed into a lie.
Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth.

The Tribulation is not God's Wrath upon the Saints.
Jesus, the Gospel, the OT Prophets and the Apostles make a clear distinction between Tribulation and God's Wrath.

John 16:33 - I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation.
But take courage; I have overcome the world!”

Romans 5:3 - we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope. Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 Thess 3:3 that no one should be shaken by these afflictions; for you yourselves know that we are appointed to this.
For, in fact, we told you before when we were with you that we would suffer tribulation, just as it happened, and you know.

1 Peter 4:12 - Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you; but rejoice to the extent that you partake of Christ’s sufferings, that when His glory is revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding great joy.

Matthew ch24
And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake.
And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Like NOAH, we will suffer Tribulation but we will not suffer God's Wrath.
"and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come."

Tribulation will be in the world and will be Great Tribulation when the Antichrist is revealed = this is not God's Wrath.

Yes agree, He delivers us (ie Converted) from the wrath to come….HOW is our differences.


God Bless,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

Yes agree, He delivers us (ie Converted) from the wrath to come….HOW is our differences.


God Bless,
Taken

We both agree 'How' = and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come. - 1 Thess 1:10

 

[David in NJ]

Yes agree, He delivers us (ie Converted) from the wrath to come….HOW is our differences.


God Bless,
Taken

YES we do AGREE = we must be Born-Again(Converted) FIRST - Amen

WRATH = who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

SALVATION = But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[David in NJ]

Since the Church is not mentioned in Matthew 24, it seems that you are the liar. The "elect" are the believing remnant of Israel in that chapter, and Christ sends His angels to gather them to Israel. But Christ does not send out angels at the Rapture. He comes personally for His Bride. Do you see how utterly confused you are?

Ephesians chapter 2

Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both(Jew & Gentile) ONE, and has broken down the middle wall of separation,
having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances,
so as to create in Himself ONE New Man from the two(Jew & Gentile), thus making peace,
and that He might reconcile them both(Jew & Gentile) to God in One Body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,
in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

 

[Taken]

The Rapture must occur before the Second Coming for the simply reason that the Marriage of the Lamb is also before the Second Coming. All the saints will be in Heaven for the Marriage of the Lamb. Then they will descend with Christ at His Second Coming.

The second coming Is the Return of The Son of Man…for all who were not Converted to See….and Because When Jesus Left Earth The Knowledge He IS the Christ was revealed…….Those IN Christ…(saints) and His holy Angels (saints) come to Earth WITH Him…mortal Eyes will not See THEM.

For THEM to come WITH Him TO Earth ….they by default have to BE Not on Earth.
(Unseen by human eyes above the Earth, in the clouds)!

Rapture expressly is about those Bodys IN Christ, being raised up to the clouds….and returning to Earth for Christs millennial reign.

1st Resurrection is about those Bodys saved during the Trib being raised up to a new earth….after millennial reign.

2nd Resurrection is about those Bodys having rejected the Lord God, being Raised up to Life in hell, for judgement and life in soul returned to God…and lifeless body and lifeless soul destroyed in hell.

I guess every has their own step by step depth of study.

 

[Taken]

YES we do AGREE = we must be Born-Again(Converted) FIRST - Amen

WRATH = who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

SALVATION = But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Not in dispute.
Scripture does teach about escaping the Trib rath…I believe that exclusively applies to the Converted IN Christ. All others on the Earth will face varying degrees of the Lambs, the devils, Gods Wrath.