Earburner
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Rom. 8:8-9. If a person is lost forever, it is because they never received the Spirit of Christ, while they had breath. Judas Iscariot is a prime example of that.Dear Earburner,
You deny these scriptures:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
The people who are predestined for salvation in this age are only the "first fruits" of Christ harvest of mankind. In the final age, Christ will bring in the great harvest of mankind at "year's end":
Exo 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
At "year's end", the balance of mankind will be saved from the Lake of Fire (a symbol for Christ's judgment and not literal fire):
This verse applies:
Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
When Christ judges the "lost" of the final age, He will have MERCY upon them before they perish (the true penalty of sin). At that time, Christ will come to each of them and give them the Early Rain of the Spirit. With the Spirit of Faith within them, they will make a confession of faith and call Jesus "Lord". With this FAITH, the pathway for Christ to come to them a second time will be made "straight". When Christ comes again, He will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. With the Latter Rain, each "lost" person will be born again as a child of God and will be gathered up to heaven. Since the child of God is sinless, they will not be judged. But the child of the devil (the chaff/carnality of the person) which still remains within the believer is judged and will remain in the Lake of Fire for destruction. This satisfies JUSTICE.
This entire spiritual process which I explained above is called conversion. For a person to be converted, it required what the scriptures below teach:
James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receives the EARLY and LATTER RAIN. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh (when He brings the Latter Rain and judgment).
Isa 1:27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.
Psa 33:5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.
Prov 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.
Job 34:12 Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment (like the Pharisees do Mat 23:23).
After the last person of mankind has been converted, these scriptures below will be testified to be true:
1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Rom 5:15 But shall not the act of favour be as the offence? For if by the offence of one the many have died, much rather has the grace of God, and the free gift in grace, which is by the one man Jesus Christ, abounded unto the many.
1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
The salvation of mankind is what the Father commissioned Christ to accomplish and was why Christ came into the world:
1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
Why do you believe and teach that Christ will be a failure? Wouldn't Christ's failure to save the world be a sin?
Scripture says that God is love and love never fails. Why do you believe that God's love for mankind is going to fail most people?
Your beliefs make no sense in light of verses like the one below:
Dan 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing; and he doeth according to his will in the army of the heavens, and among the inhabitants of the earth; and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?
Since your beliefs are not coming from what God's Word teaches, you should ask yourself where they are actually coming from? Someone has deceived you.
Joe
There are NO second chances for anyone who ignores or neglects to come to God through faith in Christ, before their mortal death.
The unrepentant thief on the cross was not remembered by Jesus, nor is he now with Jesus in paradise.