END OF THE WORLD??

[charlesj]

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We received an envelope in our mailbox at the church building this week. The envelope was large and filled with a letter and many tracts. All the material was on the “end of time” and dealt with this year, 2011, being the year of the RAPTURE!

The letter sender called themselves “Jesus is Lord Ministries.”

The envelope had no return address, but a post office stamp of Cleveland, Ohio.

It was calculated by “Jesusis Lord Ministries” the rapture to be 2011 by taking the year Israel became a nation 1948 and then adding the “lifespan” of a man as 70 years old, therefore1948 +70 = 2018 and then showing a 7 year tribulation period. They then subtracted the 7 years from 2018 and BINGO they get the rapture = 2011.



NICE ISN’T IT???



I have seen this over and overin my lifetime from the premillennialsit. The Jehovah Witnesses are one of the largest and worst premillennialist groups that have predicted the end over and over.

There is a site on theInternet that has a record of over 200 predictions of the end of the world. It’s a pretty interestingsite. http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm



The premillennial theory (and that is all it is!) has influenced many and will continue to do so. It is FALSE DOCTRINE.

THIS THEORY “SELLS A LOT OFBOOKS,” THEREFORE YOU WILL CONTINUE TO SEE THEM ON THE MARKET. “Hype sells.”

Most of what they say is taken from Matthew 24 which is NOT a prediction of the “end of time,” but is the “time of the end.”

The “time of the end ofwhat?” The end of the Jewish economy,the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. This WHOLE chapter of Matthew 24 is Jesus telling his apostles to “get ready boys” the end of thisage is coming.

What age? The age Jesus lived in, the Mosaic age and a NEW AGE was coming, the Christian age.

Jesus spoke of two ages in the N.T., the age He was inand the age to come. Matthew 12:32 “…And whoever shall speak a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever shall speak againstthe Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the age to come.”



The KJV translates this verse using “world” instead of age. The Greek word here is NOT “kosmos” which means world, but is “aion” which means“age.” Most other translations have correctly translated this Greek word as age even the NKJV corrects it and uses“age” instead of “world.”

When will these “date setters”wake up?

The reasons for the end of the world as listed from “Jesus is Lord Ministries.

Signs of the “last days.”

“Restaurants and taverns” (Matt 24:38, 49)
Men and horses (sic) out ofwork (Zech 8:10
Automobiles (Nahum 2:3,4)
Air ships (Isaiah 31:5; 60:8)
Etc. etc. etc. (they list about 30 more reasons of the end)

They pick phrases and words “OUT OF CONTEXT” and add to their theory and make it the “end of the world.”

If it wasn’t so sad, it would be FUNNY.

Take a look at my little article at: http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/13645-prophetic-language-of-the-old-testament/


A Jesuit Catholic priest wrote abook in 1812 titled The Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty. This book was translated by a Scottish preacher in England and published in 1826.

This book was the origin of the pre-tribulation RAPTURE. Before this time, no one taught or knew about it.

Your servant in Messiah, Jesus the Christ,

charlesj

 

[veteran]

Come on now Charles; not everybody that understands our Lord Jesus was giving signs for the very end of this world in Matt.24, the generation of His literal return, go around setting dates; nor do the majority of these believe in a pre-trib rapture.

Do you really expect this world as it is today to keep going on without God's appointed time of Judgment against it ever coming?

That's the man-made reality of those that began that doctrine of casting all the signs our Lord gave in His Olivet Discourse back to 70 A.D.

Look around you, Christianity is being attacked even by the very governments it founded per western Christian history. The pinnacle of Christian history in the West is over, many leaving it, especially among our young folks. Sins that were never accepting before in Christian Churches only 75 years ago are now being supported by whole Christian organizations. Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have the materials ready to build another temple, the old Jewish Sanhedrin has started up again, they've even been doing animal sacrifices on passover in Jerusalem overlooking the Temple Mount.

The United Nations and its sister organizations have successfuly penetrated the laws in every nation. The European Union now makes up 31 different nations; and gloablist leaders in the U.S. government are trying to create a type of North American Union to further erode United States sovereignty.

And especially, the nation alignment God gave in Ezekiel 38 is almost complete today.

It's time to wake up. The very signs of the end of today's world that our Lord Jesus gave in Matt.24 are coming to pass now. Understanding that does not have to include date setting.

 

[Joshua David]

I have seen this over and over in my lifetime from the premillennialsit. The Jehovah Witnesses are one of the largest and worst premillennialist groups that have predicted the end over and over.

I am curious, are you just against the idea of a pretribulation rapture, or against Jesus Christ personally coming back to earth to set up his Messianic Kingdom?


Joshua David

 

[charlesj]

I am curious, are you just against the idea of a pretribulation rapture, or against Jesus Christ personally coming back to earth to set up his Messianic Kingdom?

Joshua David

Hello Joshua David:

BOTH...


charlesj

 

[charlesj]

Come on now Charles; not everybody that understands our Lord Jesus was giving signs for the very end of this world in Matt.24, the generation of His literal return, go around setting dates; nor do the majority of these believe in a pre-trib rapture.

Do you really expect this world as it is today to keep going on without God's appointed time of Judgment against it ever coming?

That's the man-made reality of those that began that doctrine of casting all the signs our Lord gave in His Olivet Discourse back to 70 A.D.

Look around you, Christianity is being attacked even by the very governments it founded per western Christian history. The pinnacle of Christian history in the West is over, many leaving it, especially among our young folks. Sins that were never accepting before in Christian Churches only 75 years ago are now being supported by whole Christian organizations. Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have the materials ready to build another temple, the old Jewish Sanhedrin has started up again, they've even been doing animal sacrifices on passover in Jerusalem overlooking the Temple Mount.

The United Nations and its sister organizations have successfuly penetrated the laws in every nation. The European Union now makes up 31 different nations; and gloablist leaders in the U.S. government are trying to create a type of North American Union to further erode United States sovereignty.

And especially, the nation alignment God gave in Ezekiel 38 is almost complete today.

It's time to wake up. The very signs of the end of today's world that our Lord Jesus gave in Matt.24 are coming to pass now. Understanding that does not have to include date setting.

Hello Veteran good to talk to you again:

I have broken downyou post and numbered your statements/questions.

1. “Come on now Charles; not everybody thatunderstands our Lord Jesus was giving signs for the very end of this world inMatt.24, the generation of His literal return, go around setting dates; nor dothe majority of these believe in a pre-trib rapture.”

Answer: True.

2. “Do you really expect this world as it is today to keep going on withoutGod's appointed time of Judgment against it ever coming?”

Answer: There is an appointedtime. It’s the next thing on God’scalendar.

3. “That's the man-made reality of thosethat began that doctrine of casting all the signs our Lord gave in His OlivetDiscourse back to 70 A.D.”

Answer: Not sure what you mean???

4. a. “Look around you, Christianity isbeing attacked even by the very governments it founded per western Christianhistory. The pinnacle of Christian history in the West is over, many leavingit, especially among our young folks.


Answer: The church will grow until He comes. At the end of this age, Messiah Jesus will willdeliver the Kingdom back to the Father. (1Cor 15:24)

Our orders are to preach the gospel.


4. b. “Sins that were neveraccepting before in Christian Churches only 75 yearsago are now being supported by whole Christian organizations.”

Answer: Do youmean that at one time a sin was rebuked or condemned, but today that sin isaccepted?

If that is what you mean then that is true. The only thing today is they do it by using “politicallycorrect words.” For example, they call “qu…s”“gay.” (I can’t say the word on thisforum as I’ve been told and my writing was removed) Another sin is being a drunkard and todaythey color the word up and say, “all well, he is an alcoholic” as if that’sokay.


4. c. “Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have the materials ready to build anothertemple, the old Jewish Sanhedrin has started up again, they've even been doinganimal sacrifices on passover in Jerusalem overlooking the Temple Mount.”

Answer: I heard this back in 1970. They even had pictures of ships loaded withmaterial to rebuild the temple etc. etc. It never HAPPENED!! Then or now.

Even if they rebuilt a temple, so what? It’s not bible.

5. The United Nations and its sister organizations have successfuly penetratedthe laws in every nation. The European Union now makes up 31 different nations;and gloablist leaders in the U.S.government are trying to create a type of North American Union to further erodeUnited Statessovereignty.

Answer: I wouldn’t doubt this. Weare a nation lead by WEAK LEADERS. America hasLEFT GOD OUT!

6. “And especially, the nation alignment God gave in Ezekiel 38 is almostcomplete today.”

Answer: I can remember as a youngChristian in the early 1970’s a preacher by the name of Jack Van Impe made a 45RPM record on the Book of Revelation. Itstarted with Gog and Magog and the identification of them. I purchased the record and listened to it numeroustimes. The record was about an hour anda half long. At that time everyone thoughtfor SURE Russia was fixingto attack Israel. This record and information was the “talkof all religious people” at that time. Ican remember the FEAR that we all had. Of course that was over 40 years ago. LOL

Today, things haven’t changed. Thesame message, the same fears.

May we learn more about Him and His will,
In the Name of Christ,

charlesj

 

[Charlie]

The premillennial theory (and that is all it is!) has influenced many and will continue to do so. It is FALSE DOCTRINE.

Dear CharlesJ. -- A 'false doctrine' is the one that refuses to accept the 1,000 years of Rev. 20:1-10.

'false doctrine' also does not believe the OT prophecies that tell us of a time when the 12 tribes of Israel will occupy all the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob with Jerusalem as their capital city and David as their king. They will live in peace in unwalled villages and every one of them will know the Lord. Other nations, of that time, will come to Jerusalem because The Lord will be with the Israelites.

God Bless you. Charlie.

 

[veteran]

Hello Veteran good to talk to you again:

I have broken downyou post and numbered your statements/questions.

1. “Come on now Charles; not everybody thatunderstands our Lord Jesus was giving signs for the very end of this world inMatt.24, the generation of His literal return, go around setting dates; nor dothe majority of these believe in a pre-trib rapture.”

Answer: True.

My point was, not all Christians who interpret 'some' of the signs of Matt.24 like pre-tribbers do are in the same boat with them, nor of the JW denomination.

2. “Do you really expect this world as it is today to keep going on withoutGod's appointed time of Judgment against it ever coming?”

Answer: There is an appointedtime. It’s the next thing on God’scalendar.

Yes. And that's when those signs of Matt.24 are for, OUR TIMES TODAY, not 70 A.D.

3. “That's the man-made reality of thosethat began that doctrine of casting all the signs our Lord gave in His OlivetDiscourse back to 70 A.D.”

Answer: Not sure what you mean???

It's called the seminary doctrine of Preterism (from preter which means 'what is past'). There's different branches of Preterist doctrine, the most extreme version believing the Matthew 24 & Mark 13 signs were meant for 70 A.D. Jerusalem when the Romans destroyed it, and thus are all past history, including Christ's second coming. That is a doctrine from man, not from God.

4. a. “Look around you, Christianity isbeing attacked even by the very governments it founded per western Christianhistory. The pinnacle of Christian history in the West is over, many leavingit, especially among our young folks.

Answer: The church will grow until He comes. At the end of this age, Messiah Jesus will willdeliver the Kingdom back to the Father. (1Cor 15:24)

Our orders are to preach the gospel.

Many today are claiming to preach The Gospel but they are not preaching the same Gospel which the Apostles preached. Instead, many today are preaching a socialist gospel, seeking to change the True Gospel of Jesus Christ which includes the foundation writings in all of God's Word, including the OT prophets (Eph.2:19-22).

A realistic comparison of Church history in the Christian West shows Christianity in decline today compared with previous centuries. Just a little over 200 year comparison of the U.S. and early colonial America easily reveals that. Where The Gospel is growing the most today is not in the West, but in nations outside the West.

I don't know what "age" you think we are in today, but it is not the Milennium "thousand years" our Lord Jesus showed John in Revelation 20. That time won't begin until Christ's feet set upon the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, and He gathers His saints to where He will then be, as per Zech.14 and Acts 1. That event of Christ's return there has never been recorded in history, and is still future to us. Today's age we're in now is STILL THE SAME AGE THE APOSTLES WERE IN.

4. b. “Sins that were neveraccepting before in Christian Churches only 75 yearsago are now being supported by whole Christian organizations.”

Answer: Do youmean that at one time a sin was rebuked or condemned, but today that sin isaccepted?

If that is what you mean then that is true. The only thing today is they do it by using “politicallycorrect words.” For example, they call “qu…s”“gay.” (I can’t say the word on thisforum as I’ve been told and my writing was removed) Another sin is being a drunkard and todaythey color the word up and say, “all well, he is an alcoholic” as if that’sokay.

Yes, I was referring to sins like that which Apostle Paul declared in rebuke in Romans 1 and Galatians 5, sins that will prevent one from inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven like he said. We now have whole churches formed around certain of those sins.

4. c. “Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem have the materials ready to build anothertemple, the old Jewish Sanhedrin has started up again, they've even been doinganimal sacrifices on passover in Jerusalem overlooking the Temple Mount.”

Answer: I heard this back in 1970. They even had pictures of ships loaded withmaterial to rebuild the temple etc. etc. It never HAPPENED!! Then or now.

Even if they rebuilt a temple, so what? It’s not bible.

It is a Biblical prophecy. How can you be so sure it's not in The Bible? Is it just because those you listen to tell you it is not?

I suggest you do a bit of research to get an update on the matter. The movement is much farther along today than it was in the 1970's. The cornerstones for the new temple have only been cut in the last decade.

The "abomination of desolation" phrase our Lord Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel involves the placing of an 'abomination' inside the temple at Jerusalem. That's what Dan.11:31 is about. Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. served as a previous pattern for the prophecy. Yet the doctrine of Preterism only cares to dwell on the word 'desolation' in that phrase, pointing only to the destruction of Jerusalem. In other words, the doctrines of men are ommitting the revealing of what a Biblical 'abomination' is concerning idol worship.

5. The United Nations and its sister organizations have successfuly penetratedthe laws in every nation. The European Union now makes up 31 different nations;and gloablist leaders in the U.S.government are trying to create a type of North American Union to further erodeUnited Statessovereignty.

Answer: I wouldn’t doubt this. Weare a nation lead by WEAK LEADERS. America hasLEFT GOD OUT!

Then you should have recognized my statement about that in relation to some of the signs our Lord Jesus gave in Matt.24 about it, which reveals those signs He gave are for our times, and not for some time back in history. The U.N. working today aligns with our Lord's prophecy in Revelation about the first beast of Rev.13:1-2, a final beast kingdom upon the whole earth. It is further explained by our Lord to John in Rev.17.

6. “And especially, the nation alignment God gave in Ezekiel 38 is almostcomplete today.”

Answer: I can remember as a youngChristian in the early 1970’s a preacher by the name of Jack Van Impe made a 45RPM record on the Book of Revelation. Itstarted with Gog and Magog and the identification of them. I purchased the record and listened to it numeroustimes. The record was about an hour anda half long. At that time everyone thoughtfor SURE Russia was fixingto attack Israel. This record and information was the “talkof all religious people” at that time. Ican remember the FEAR that we all had. Of course that was over 40 years ago. LOL

Today, things haven’t changed. Thesame message, the same fears.

Just because that prophecy was being looked at back then doesn't mean what they were looking was all incorrect. Who has been supporting radical Islam and their nuclear programs in Iran and Syria today? Who shipped missles to Hamas in Lebanon to use against Israel? Who threatened war to President Bush if the U.S. set up its proposed missle shield system in Turkey and Asia Minor? Who invaded the ex-Soviet satellite of Georgia when its leaders petitioned to join NATO? Answer to all the above: Russia.

It's Russia and its Islamic allies (Iran, Syria, Sudan, Libya, eventually Ethiopia and Turkey) that are forming up today per Ezekiel 38, and will come upon Israel on the last day of this world.

So you are right, that THREAT has not changed one bit today; it's still present, and has grown stronger.

 

[charlesj]

Dear CharlesJ. -- A 'false doctrine' is the one that refuses to accept the 1,000 years of Rev. 20:1-10.

'false doctrine' also does not believe the OT prophecies that tell us of a time when the 12 tribes of Israel will occupy all the land promised to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob with Jerusalem as their capital city and David as their king. They will live in peace in unwalled villages and every one of them will know the Lord. Other nations, of that time, will come to Jerusalem because The Lord will be with the Israelites.

God Bless you. Charlie.

Hello CharlesBaker:
Today, students of eschatology seem to be woefullyignorant of the writings of past theologians on these subjects. There was a time, prior to the mid-1800’s,when the most prominent interpretation of Matthew 24 was from the preterite standpoint, and thedating of the Book of Revelation was believed to be at an earlier date than isnow believed.



My generation was heavenly influenced by teachers likeJohn Walvoord, Hal Lindsey, and others like them to accept the premillennialtheories. Most accepted their teachings.Almost everyone you met had a copy of Late Great Planet Earth by Lindsey. It wasa “best seller.” Have you read his book? There is a lot he predicted to take placethat didn’t take place.

I can remember all the “hype” going on at that timeand the “end of the world” fears. Russiawas about to attack Israel etc. etc. Iwas caught up in it just like everyone else.



I have told you what I believe. To argue with a premillennialist is likearguing with a Catholic on Mary. Did shehave children besides Jesus? Well, youcan show proofs and argue until you are blue in the face and they will notaccept it. It’s the same with ourargument on eschatology.



May the Lord be with us as we study His Word.

charlesj

 

[Charlie]

Hello CharlesBaker:
Today, students of eschatology seem to be woefullyignorant of the writings of past theologians on these subjects. There was a time, prior to the mid-1800’s,when the most prominent interpretation of Matthew 24 was from the preterite standpoint, and thedating of the Book of Revelation was believed to be at an earlier date than isnow believed.



My generation was heavenly influenced by teachers likeJohn Walvoord, Hal Lindsey, and others like them to accept the premillennialtheories. Most accepted their teachings.Almost everyone you met had a copy of Late Great Planet Earth by Lindsey. It wasa “best seller.” Have you read his book? There is a lot he predicted to take placethat didn’t take place.

I can remember all the “hype” going on at that timeand the “end of the world” fears. Russiawas about to attack Israel etc. etc. Iwas caught up in it just like everyone else.



I have told you what I believe. To argue with a premillennialist is likearguing with a Catholic on Mary. Did shehave children besides Jesus? Well, youcan show proofs and argue until you are blue in the face and they will notaccept it. It’s the same with ourargument on eschatology.



May the Lord be with us as we study His Word.

charlesj

Dear CharlesJ:

As you wish but I regret you are 'close minded' with respect to eschatology.

The fact that many of the things Hal Lindsay foresaw did not come to pass does not negate the truth of the Bible.

God Bless you. Charlie.

 

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Naming dates and places for the second coming is a typical ploy used by fear mongerers to generate sales. Fear and controversey do the job nicely if you want to make a killing at the bookstore. Let me tell you that if I could come up with a good line like that I'd do it too. Why not? Everybody likes a good scare now and then.

There will be no rapture on May 11, 2011.

I have placed a standing bet of five hundred dollars elsewhere on this site. One man has foolishly accepted it in the firm belief that he will be beamed out on that day. Once again the doctrine of the rapture has eroded common sense and sound teaching, possibly a man's bank account as well.
There's no reason I shouldn't profit by it.

If the man honors his bet and writes me a check, I'll enjoy a small party at his expense.

Personally I doubt the arrival of either the rapture or a check. It's just bluff and rubbish. Nobody believes any of it, at least not enough to back it up substantially.

Only an illiterate school child would really believe that nonsense and they have no money to place a bet. Pity.

No cynicism here, is there?

 

[shilohsfoal]

It is written that they shall serve the king of Babylon for 70 years and I do understand Jerusalem is Babylon the great.
But you dont have to subtract anything from it.After the nations have served the king of babylon 70 years many nations shall serve themselves of him.

Babylon =Jerusalem
Lucifer king of babylon=the beast
Those who destroy Babylon=the ten horns of the beast.
Christ comes as a thief just before Babylon the great is destroyed.

Rev 16;15
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed [is] he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

I would say around 1948 plus 70= 2018
But I would just wait till the jews are numberd and start counting down from then.
Even then you cant know the exact day though.

If anything I call it the time the gentiles lose control of the promised land.

 

[[email protected]]

We received an envelope in our mailbox at the church building this week. The envelope was large and filled with a letter and many tracts. All the material was on the “end of time” and dealt with this year, 2011, being the year of the RAPTURE!

The letter sender called themselves “Jesus is Lord Ministries.”

The envelope had no return address, but a post office stamp of Cleveland, Ohio.

Upon further reflection on this issue, I am ashamed to say that the most important questions initially escaped me.

How did your USPS address get on this group's mailing list?
Who are these people are why are they hiding their address of origin?
What are they hiding and why?

All other questions regarding the ideology are purely academic. What bothers me is the targeted mailing campaign.

Anyone care to speculate? This is where the lambs become as shrewd as serpents.

It is written that they shall serve the king of Babylon for 70 years and I do understand Jerusalem is Babylon the great.

Jerusalem = Babylon ?

Maybe. Maybe not.

Google "rebuilding Babylon"

You'll be in for a shock. The united States taxpayers are paying for the rebuilding of Babylon city on the site of the original town.

I think your equation may be slightly off.
Instead of figuring the Jews are at the core of everything rotten in the world, perhaps the blame should be firmly fixed where the money and the expertise originates.

WASHINGTON, D.C.

Another instance of American government run wild.

 

[veteran]

Jerusalem= Babylon ?

Maybe. Maybe not.

Google "rebuilding Babylon"

You'll be in for a shock. The united States taxpayers are paying for the rebuilding of Babylon city on the site of the original town.

I think your equation may be slightly off.
Instead of figuring the Jews are at the core of everything rotten in the world, perhaps the blame should be firmly fixed where the money and the expertise originates.

WASHINGTON, D.C.

Another instance of American government run wild.

Oh he's right about the Rev.17 Babylon harlot woman representing the city of Jerusalem in the last days. But he's wrong about it being in effect already. Washington is involved, because the politics in Washington is agreeing to internationalist aims for Jerusalem and the Balfour Plan to create a peace between Israel and Islam in the holy land. It's part of the reason why the U.S., Britain, and France under U.N. authority are involved in the military actions in Libya. It was the reason for the Gulf War, and the war in Iraq.

The "tares" which represent Satan's servants who plan to use Jerusalem like how God has claimed it for His own dwelling place. It will become a spiritual harlot by that working. They are preparing the world and Jerusalem for 'their' coming king, the Antichrist. Jerusalem is where he will sit in rule over all nations, trying to mimic Christ's future Kingdom. God is allowing this, and forewarned His servants about it in His Word. It's why He is going to send His two witnesses to Jerusalem to witness against it. Then Christ will return to strike it down, and claim His inheritance.

 

[n2thelight]

It will all come to past as it is written

NWO,will come(first beast)receives a deadly wound(falls apart)satan comes as Christ(heals the wound)all the world wonders after him(except for the elect and those sealed with the seal of God)thinking He is Christ..(this is the tribulation,deception)two witnesses killed,rise again in three days,Christ returns within the hour after....those who followed satan thinking he was Christ,will seek to kill themselves,but can't as all will be changed to a spiritual body,with the difference being,having a mortal soul or an immortal one.....

So simple when you have eye's to see,for some,do thank God that you can't see,as you won't be judged in ignorance,but you will learn,hence the purpose of the milinium.....

 

[Duckybill]

One thing's for sure. When Jesus returns, woe be unto the enemies of the Nation of Israel.

Zechariah 14:1-4 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. [sup]2 [/sup]For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. [sup]3 [/sup]Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. [sup]4 [/sup]And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, ...

 

[shilohsfoal]

One thing's for sure. When Jesus returns, woe be unto the enemies of the Nation of Israel.

Zechariah 14:1-4 (NKJV)
[sup]1 [/sup]Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. [sup]2 [/sup]For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. [sup]3 [/sup]Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. [sup]4 [/sup]And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, ...

Being the city shall be taken,the women ravished ,half the city going into captivity and only a remant are saved then Id say woe to that city.

The Lord might fight against the ten horns and overcome them but rest assured they are going to burn that city.
Rev 17;16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

 

[Duckybill]

Being the city shall be taken,the women ravished ,half the city going into captivity and only a remant are saved then Id say woe to that city.

Yes, Jerusalem will suffer, but half of the city will not be taken because God will fight for Israel. The real woe is to those who attack Israel.

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
[sup]12 [/sup]And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Yes, Jerusalem will suffer, but half of the city will not be taken because God will fight for Israel. The real woe is to those who attack Israel.

Zechariah 14:12 (NKJV)
[sup]12 [/sup]And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

That plague comes with a nuclear war .
Dan 11;40
And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

The king of the north is going to be very mad at those muslims for attacking his friend Israel.
And that new embassy he built there and all.Oh well ,he should have known better.None of the other kings before him would move the embassy there.

 

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One thing's for sure. When Jesus returns, woe be unto the enemies of the Nation of Israel.

Amen to that statement.

I have found an increasing number of voices being raised against that small nation as well as it's people.
As though wearing Jewish skin was some sort of crime.

To those I say, beware Balaam's curse.

 

[daviddee]

Well, I still think NO ONE will get the date right even if it is a guess, G-D would not let man take credit for HIS coming.....so in my eyes we can pick dates all we want and it will never been that day no matter whay.

Now, if I could pick a day I would do Dec 25th, the reason? A lot of so called Christians would not make the mark.......