Ferris Bueller
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I did not know you were suggesting that loose meant less.There is more to our union with God, but not less.
It does not.
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I did not know you were suggesting that loose meant less.There is more to our union with God, but not less.
Loose analogies? I don't think so. That again goes towards the fundamental difference in how we read and present Scripture.of in scripture using loose analogies, like sonship and marriage,
Children grow up to leave their parent's house and take care of themselves.Loose analogies? I don't think so.
I don't require further exposition on that post. Not needed.You didn't really want your questions answered?
If you look back at that post, I ended up explaining it now, anyway, lol.
I don't find "loose language" in the Bible. Regardless of statistics on human children's sociological habits.Children grow up to leave their parent's house and take care of themselves.
Still think the analogy of being a child of God is not so loose?
God clings to you.If we are saved by ius doing. Then we save ourselves. Its not God clinging to us and keeping us as he promised
I cling to God to be blessed. I depend on him to cling to me and my hope is the fact that I have the seal of the spirit as a pledge of his unfailing love.
Why would you have no hope?If I can lose salvation for any reason. No matter what. Then I have no hope. Because I am flawed. I can’t keep myself saved, I can;t keep myself from falling, I can’t keep myself from lacking faith. Thats why John wrote a whole book and told us he wrote those things to us so we may KNOW we have eternal life, and by it, continue to believe in his name.
Amen and praise be to God for what you say above.The basis of my hope, the basis of my walk, the basis of my enduring suffering and tribulation and considering it a momentary light affliction is based on the fact I am eternally secure. That no matter where I try to go, God is there. He will let me do what I want, he does not remove my free will. But he will always prove he is trustworthy. I may walk away for a bit (I did for 5 years) but I will always come back to God. Because he has proven himself. Anyone who has truly experienced Gods love then goes into the world. Will soon realise whey they found God in the first place. Because God is trustworthy, Thats why the prodigal son returned home. And thats also why John said plainly. A person who left and outright denies Christ has never been of us, because no one who experienced christ and returns to the world would deny that christ was and is trustworthy,
I left as a prodigal child because of circumstances of life. I turned to sin, and the worlds ways. it took my all of 5 years for God to call me at the right time and I returned. God did nto leave me, even though I walked away. My best friend called me at just the right moment, And that was God leaving the flock to come find his lost sheep. And I returned.
I praise god for this
Eternal life and eternal security is the second most important doctrine in christian theology. The first being the cross.
The Jews didn't refer to themselves as born again believers.Are you supposing that the branches which were broken off, that these were born again believers losing their salvation? Or unbelievers, unsaved, not regenerated, but having rejected the message of the Gospel?
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Of course the one who does not REMAIN in the home previously was in it.If you remain in my home, you are one of my residents. If you are not remaining in my home, you are not.
Would you suppose that the one who does not remain in my home previously did?
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marksExplain away = loaded language.
No, I posted it before I read your post.Apparently you already recognized it wasn't needed . . . but chose to post your pot shot anyway, it seems.
Then why did you ask for it?I don't require further exposition on that post. Not needed.
It wasn't a statement. I asked a question.Just like you don't need to manufacture these kinds of blanket statements to attribute to me.
But of course!!marks
I'm saying that the N.T. must be understood as a whole...
A person cannot take one or two verses and base their belief on only those 2 verses.
I thought that's what you might have been thinking.Of course the one who does not REMAIN in the home previously was in it.
Hebrews 3:6
But Christ is faithful over God's house as a son. And we are his house if indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope.
I answer to biblical verses marks.So you keep yourself saved by keeping believing. You keep yourself in God's good graces, so long as you do.
By who's faith are you justified, according to the Bible?
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I'm asking you whether in your estimation that where Paul says "branches were broken off", were these people of whom it was written in Romans 6 had been baptized into Christ, into His death, buried with Him in baptism? That as Christ died, they also died, and having died, were made free from sin?The Jews didn't refer to themselves as born again believers.
The branches are the Jews.
The Jews that had no faith, that rejected the message of the gospel.
Please make your point.
I answer to biblical verses marks.
I posted verses that show we are saved by OUR FAITH.
If you can show the opposite, please do.
I respond to all verses.Having believed IN Jesus, we are justified by the faith OF Jesus. If you don't first believe IN Jesus, you won't be justified by the faith OF Jesus. But even so, having believed IN Jesus, we are justified by the faith OF Jesus.
You seem to deride that I repeat certain verses, and stick by their simple words, but what else should I do? I read what it says, and believe what it says. Nothing is going to change these simple truths, and none of the other Scriptures actually do conflict.
I've posted several to show that, but you haven't responded, so, what can I say?
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That is so.It sounds like you think some of these verses mean that we are NOT justified by the faith that comes from Jesus, is that so?
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I know...We're just going in circles. Much love!