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[Timtofly]

So who are these folk...
KJV 1 Thessalonians 4:15
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep .
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
When does this take place?

The Second Coming when the 6th Seal is opened. Certainly not Revelation 19 and the battle of Armageddon.

 

[Timtofly]

Rev 13:10 would refute your idea that the only way through the Tribulation is by beheading.

Satan's 42 months is not the Tribulation.

You have no clue what refutes what.

 

[Brakelite]

The Second Coming when the 6th Seal is opened. Certainly not Revelation 19 and the battle of Armageddon.

So there are Christians alive at the second coming then, they weren't all beheaded. There will be Christians who witness the second coming, who will go through the tribulation, but be protected by God throughout. Confirming Paul's words...
KJV 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord...
And even including himself among that number, believing the second coming was imminent, a belief I suggest approved and even encouraged by the holy Spirit in order to maintain urgency and readiness. Point being, that particular scripture does not evidence any previous disappearance of the church prior to the second coming.

 

[Keraz]

The Second Coming when the 6th Seal is opened. Certainly not Revelation 19 and the battle of Armageddon.

Satan's 42 months is not the Tribulation.

2 gross errors.
Jesus remains in heaven and is not seen, when He sends His fiery wrath at the Sixth Seal. Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 83, Hebrews 10:27, +

The Great Tribulation is directed against the people who have taken the mark of the beast, Revelation 13:1-17, during the final 3 1.2 years before Jesus Returns.

Making wild and unsupported assertions and opinions, results in a loss of credibility.

 

[Behold]

There is no scripture which says the Lord will take His people to heaven.

Paul wrote..

"""we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the LORD In The AIR"."""

and why?

"so that we (the born again) will be with the Lord = Forever"

 

[Timtofly]

So there are Christians alive at the second coming then, they weren't all beheaded. There will be Christians who witness the second coming, who will go through the tribulation, but be protected by God throughout. Confirming Paul's words...

Explain why the church has one group glorified at the Second Coming, but then some can sign up for tribulation duty and skip the glorification of the church?

Jesus is on earth with the angels and 144k during the Trumpets and Thunders. Then even Jesus and the 144k leave Jerusalem for Satan's 42 months. Then you claim some sign up to have their heads chopped off, so they can rule on earth with Jesus for 1,000 years?

How does one go about signing up for this extra trouble?

The 6th Seal is the Second Coming, every event after that is after the Second Coming.

 

[Timtofly]

Making wild and unsupported assertions and opinions, results in a loss of credibility.

You mean just reading Revelation without doing any rearranging is better than man's changing God's Word to fit Hollywood Movies?

You will have to prove that Revelation 6 is a wild and unsupported assumption.

 

[Keraz]

Paul wrote..

"""we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the LORD In The AIR"."""

and why?

"so that we (the born again) will be with the Lord = Forever"

On earth.
Proved by how after the Millennium, God Himself comes to the earth. Revelation 21:1-7

The 'harpazo' of 1 Thess 4:1`7, is just a transportation to Jerusalem, where Jesus is going to. Zechariah 14:4

 

[Keraz]

You will have to prove that Revelation 6 is a wild and unsupported assumption.

The great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, Revelation 6:12-17 will be the event that changes the world and commences the end times.
Thinking it happens at the Return, is a violation of the Book of Revelation and totally illogical.

It is you who must prove your assumptions and weird opinions.

 

[Brakelite]

Explain why the church has one group glorified at the Second Coming, but then some can sign up for tribulation duty and skip the glorification of the church?

Jesus is on earth with the angels and 144k during the Trumpets and Thunders. Then even Jesus and the 144k leave Jerusalem for Satan's 42 months. Then you claim some sign up to have their heads chopped off, so they can rule on earth with Jesus for 1,000 years?

How does one go about signing up for this extra trouble?

The 6th Seal is the Second Coming, every event after that is after the Second Coming.

There are so many eschatological differences between your scenario and mine own, it would take months to find any harmony between us on just one point, because there are so many correlating factors. Needless to say, no. Just no.

 

[Enoch111]

The Second Coming when the 6th Seal is opened.

That is refuted in the Olivet Discourse. The Second Coming is AFTER the events described in the 6th seal. Also the events of the 6th seal occur after those in the 7th seal. Which is rather strange but true nonetheless.

 

[David Boyer]

Satan's 42 months is not the Tribulation.

You have no clue what refutes what.

Sounds like tribulation to me.

 

[Keraz]

Also the events of the 6th seal occur after those in the 7th seal. Which is rather strange but true nonetheless.

Rather strange and totally untrue.
The Seventh Seal time gap denotes the period between the Sixth Seal and the glorious Return of Jesus.

Sounds like tribulation to me.

Exactly; the final 42 months will be a time of Great Tribulation. God will punish those who have taken the 'mark of the beast'. Revelation 16:2

 

[Timtofly]

The great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, Revelation 6:12-17 will be the event that changes the world and commences the end times.
Thinking it happens at the Return, is a violation of the Book of Revelation and totally illogical.

It is you who must prove your assumptions and weird opinions.

My proof is Matthew 24.

 

[Enoch111]

Rather strange and totally untrue.

It is all there in the Olivet Discourse. So go back and review what is written.

 

[Timtofly]

That is refuted in the Olivet Discourse. The Second Coming is AFTER the events described in the 6th seal. Also the events of the 6th seal occur after those in the 7th seal. Which is rather strange but true nonetheless.

I guess God's Word is strange to all those who rearrange the book to fit their private scenarios.

I just go with how it is presented.

 

[Timtofly]

Sounds like tribulation to me.

Abomination of desolation.

 

[Brakelite]

Unfortunately, this thread has gone the way of all other eschatological threads...a deep dive into clairvoyance and futurism, which one can find literally everywhere on every thread in the prophecy section. I am as guilty as anyone, so easy to argue over matters yet in the future which the Bible speaks of in figures and types and symbols, which can only be understood after they've come to pass. The symbols give us clues and helps us to identify the main players. And as we watch those main players in real time politics and current events, then we can come to a better understanding of how things will play out, but there will always be room for surprises. So. Back to the OP.
Many nations in the world working feverishly toward a common goal, a global digital currency, backed and encouraged by the WEF and the major financial institutions including reserve banks. This is taking place in real time, right now, and the speed with which this is taking place is increasing exponentially. The power to switch off economic life support to all who don't submit to the conditions attached to participation in this brave new world order, will soon be in the hands of our enemies and there is nothing we can do about it. It's prophesied and it's happening.
There are other global initiatives we ought to be aware of also, because they are all intricately linked through numerous agencies and government and non-government institutions and quasi government cooperatives, all working together in harmony toward the one goal. Enslavement of the world. Feudalism restored. I don't think we're talking about the future now. This is now.

 

[David Boyer]

Unfortunately, this thread has gone the way of all other eschatological threads...a deep dive into clairvoyance and futurism, which one can find literally everywhere on every thread in the prophecy section. I am as guilty as anyone, so easy to argue over matters yet in the future which the Bible speaks of in figures and types and symbols, which can only be understood after they've come to pass. The symbols give us clues and helps us to identify the main players. And as we watch those main players in real time politics and current events, then we can come to a better understanding of how things will play out, but there will always be room for surprises. So. Back to the OP.
Many nations in the world working feverishly toward as common goal, a global digital currency, backed and encouraged by the WEF and the major financial institutions including reserve banks. This is taking place in real time, right now, and the speed with which this is taking place is increasing exponentially. The power to switch off economic life support to ask who don't submit to the conditions attached to participation in this brave new world order, will soon be in the hands of our enemies and there is nothing we can do about it. It's prophesied and it's happening.
There are other global initiatives we ought to be aware of also, because they are all intricately linked through numerous agencies and government and non-government institutions and quasi government cooperatives, all working together in harmony toward the one goal. Enslavement of the world. Feudalism restored.i funny think we're talking about the future now. This is now.

Clairvoyance?

 

[michaelvpardo]

I sure hope there is a rapture.

That would be nice, but I wouldn't hold my breath.