False Doctrine of the "Secret Rapture".

[Douggg]

Which is why JESUS ministry lasted approxiametely 3.5 years.

The length of the messiah's ministry is not referred to regarding the 70 weeks. But about the messiah's arrival and his being cutoff.

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem hailed as the messiah (John 12:12-15). 4 days later was cutoff, crucified. 69 weeks completed. 70th week yet to come.

 

[David in NJ]

The length of the messiah's ministry is not referred to regarding the 70 weeks. But about the messiah's arrival and his being cutoff.

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem hailed as the messiah (John 12:12-15). 4 days later was cutoff, crucified. 69 weeks completed. 70th week yet to come.

JESUS was "cut-off" in the 70th week

"AFTER 69 weeks Messiah will be cut off"

 

[Douggg]

JESUS was "cut-off" in the 70th week

"AFTER 69 weeks Messiah will be cut off"

Not after 69 and a half weeks.

Jesus arrived after 69 weeks, 483 years. 4 literal days later, Jesus was cutoff, crucified.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Scripture only speaks of The AC "revealing" when he enters into power = 2 Thessalonians chapter 2

Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
5Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

You CANNOT have a 'revelaing' while the Holy Spirit is RESTRAINING the AC = verse 6

v6 - "And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time."

Satan is both restrained and revealed.
Obama was revealed way before he took power.
Those walking in the spirit are hard to fool.
We will see him right away.way before he takes power.
Hitler is another example. Many were not fooled.
Many apart from God were . Jesus said,"my sheep hear my voice. The voice of another they will not hear". I have always surrounded myself with Proven ministers and teachers.
I simply report the word. The opposes are forced to take a stand against the bible.
We will not be fooled.

So yes you are wrong again.
Be careful stretching so far. You may hurt yourself.

 

[David in NJ]

Satan is both restrained and revealed.
Obama was revealed way before he took power.
Those walking in the spirit are hard to fool.
We will see him right away.way before he takes power.
Hitler is another example. Many were not fooled.
Many apart from God were . Jesus said,"my sheep hear my voice. The voice of another they will not hear". I have always surrounded myself with Proven ministers and teachers.
I simply report the word. The opposes are forced to take a stand against the bible.
We will not be fooled.

So yes you are wrong again.
Be careful stretching so far. You may hurt yourself.

"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

The "many antichrists" have and will reveal themselves for these are not 'THE Antichrist'.

 

[David in NJ]

Not after 69 and a half weeks.

Jesus arrived after 69 weeks, 483 years. 4 literal days later, Jesus was cutoff, crucified.

The LORD Jesus is the 70th Week = "Alpha and Omega" = "Beginning and the End"
We are currently living inside the 70th Week
The 70th Week will only be COMPLETED/FINISHED at His Second Coming"

24“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

26“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

 

[Douggg]

The LORD Jesus is the 70th Week = "Alpha and Omega" = "Beginning and the End"
We are currently living inside the 70th Week
The 70th Week will only be COMPLETED/FINISHED at His Second Coming"

24“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

25“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem
Until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again, and the wall,
Even in troublesome times.

26“And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
27Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”

David, the 70 weeks are what has been determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem. We are not in the 70th week yet.

The prince who shall come will confirm the covenant for one week, 7 years. Many people are of the opinion that the covenant will be a peace treaty of some sort involving Israel, based on the little horn person will destroy many by peace in Daniel 8.

However, that is not the covenant being referred to. The covenant that the prince who shall come will confirm is the Mt. Sinai covenant as that has a 7 year cycle attached to it for that purpose. Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

The 70th week is not 2000 years long as you are implying. It will be 7 years long, and within it all of the time of the end prophecies will be fulfilled.

The beginning of the 7 years will be right after the Gog/Magog event in Ezekiel 39. Which also in Ezekiel 39 is the Armageddon event at the end of the 7 years, in verses 17-20. And Jesus Himself speaking in the text of verses 21-29, having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

 

[David in NJ]

David, the 70 weeks are what has been determined upon Daniel's people and Jerusalem. We are not in the 70th week yet.

The prince who shall come will confirm the covenant for one week, 7 years. Many people are of the opinion that the covenant will be a peace treaty of some sort involving Israel, based on the little horn person will destroy many by peace in Daniel 8.

However, that is not the covenant being referred to. The covenant that the prince who shall come will confirm is the Mt. Sinai covenant as that has a 7 year cycle attached to it for that purpose. Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

The 70th week is not 2000 years long as you are implying. It will be 7 years long, and within it all of the time of the end prophecies will be fulfilled.

The beginning of the 7 years will be right after the Gog/Magog event in Ezekiel 39. Which also in Ezekiel 39 is the Armageddon event at the end of the 7 years, in verses 17-20. And Jesus Himself speaking in the text of verses 21-29, having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

CHRIST was cut-off inside the 70th Week for HE is the Beginning of the 70th Week and the END of it as well.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for us not to be in the 70th Week and the LORD Jesus Christ said so Himself.

 

[Douggg]

CHRIST was cut-off inside the 70th Week for HE is the Beginning of the 70th Week and the END of it as well.

David, the 70th week is limited to 7 years. Jesus is not limited to 7 years. He is eternal.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for us not to be in the 70th Week and the LORD Jesus Christ said so Himself.

David, Jesus did not say we are in the 70th week.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: false doctrine of "Secret rapture"?:

The True Doctrine of "The Revelation Of The Mystery (Secret)"
which Includes God's pre-trib:

Great GRACE Departure!​

Amen.

 

[rebuilder 454]

"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

The "many antichrists" have and will reveal themselves for these are not 'THE Antichrist'.

It's like you're trying to make a case that you're not going to recognize the Antichrist, when it will be evident to probably millions of Christians that this guy is evil and we can see what he is and who he is way before he takes power ,just like we saw it with Obama.
but there were millions of Christians that were fooled by Obama so I don't know if you're trying to say you're going to be fooled by the Antichrist or what?

 

[David in NJ]

The length of the messiah's ministry is not referred to regarding the 70 weeks. But about the messiah's arrival and his being cutoff.

Jesus arrived in Jerusalem hailed as the messiah (John 12:12-15). 4 days later was cutoff, crucified. 69 weeks completed. 70th week yet to come.

THINK THINK THINK

It is IMPOSSIBLE that the 70th Week is a 7 literal years.

"Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;" = this "one week" is INSIDE/CONTAINED WITHIN the 70th Week.

THINK = THINK GOSPEL

 

[Douggg]

THINK THINK THINK

It is IMPOSSIBLE that the 70th Week is a 7 literal years.

"Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;" = this "one week" is INSIDE/CONTAINED WITHIN the 70th Week.

THINK = THINK GOSPEL

David, you are not making sense. Each of the weeks represent 7 years.

Are you trying to say that you believe the covenant to be confirmed for one week is the new covenant in Christ ?

In Daniel 9, it does not say anything about the messiah being resurrected. Jesus's resurrection is an essential part of the gospel message. So the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is not referring to the new covenant in Christ, because there is no referral to the messiah's resurrection. Only of him being cutoff in Daniel 9:26.

 

[David in NJ]

David, you are not making sense. Each of the weeks represent 7 years.

Are you trying to say that you believe the covenant to be confirmed for one week is the new covenant in Christ ?

In Daniel 9, it does not say anything about the messiah being resurrected. Jesus's resurrection is an essential part of the gospel message. So the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is not referring to the new covenant in Christ, because there is no referral to the messiah's resurrection. Only of him being cutoff in Daniel 9:26.

The 70th Week belongs to God and is the Fullness of Christ.

The covenant for "one week" belongs to the Antichrist and is contained (a subset) within the 70th Week.

The 70th Week is the GOSPEL and is CURRENT.

The 70th Week will be completed AFTER the Antichrist is revealed(2 Thess ch2) and the Second Coming by which the AC is destroyed.

 

[Douggg]

The 70th Week belongs to God and is the Fullness of Christ.

The covenant for "one week" belongs to the Antichrist and is contained (a subset) within the 70th Week.

The 70th Week is the GOSPEL and is CURRENT.

The 70th Week will be completed AFTER the Antichrist is revealed(2 Thess ch2) and the Second Coming by which the AC is destroyed.

The 70th week is a timeframe. The gospel is not a timeframe.

David, we are too far apart in understanding one another to continue. I hope to see you in heaven someday.

 

[David in NJ]

The 70th week is a timeframe. The gospel is not a timeframe.

David, we are too far apart in understanding one another to continue. I hope to see you in heaven someday.

The Gospel is the TIMEFRAME of Salvation to the Nations = The 70th Week

JESUS said so = Matthew chapter 24

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Look me up and we can rejoice together.

 

[Douggg]

The Gospel is the TIMEFRAME of Salvation to the Nations = The 70th Week

David, you should...

1. stop with the all caps.
2. stop with the "=" mathematical symbol.

Instead, compose your sentences as your English teachers in high school taught.

Jesus never said the 70th week was the gospel.

It would be correct to say that the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to all nations for the past 2000 years, having fulfilled what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:14.

The 69th week ended with Jesus's death on the cross. The 70th week has not begun yet, but will begin when the prince that shall come confirms the covenant for 7 years.

 

[David in NJ]

David, you should...

1. stop with the all caps.
2. stop with the "=" mathematical symbol.

Instead, compose your sentences as your English teachers in high school taught.

Jesus never said the 70th week was the gospel.

It would be correct to say that the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to all nations for the past 2000 years, having fulfilled what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:14.

The 69th week ended with Jesus's death on the cross. The 70th week has not begun yet, but will begin when the prince that shall come confirms the covenant for 7 years.

3rd Grade Grammar and Math = "AFTER the 69th (62+7) Messiah will be cut-off"

AFTER does not mean 'at the end'

IMPOSSIBLE to have the gospel BEFORE the 70th Week = Gospel BEGINS in the 70th Week = Dan 9:24

The Antichrist does not begin the 70th Week = Very evil thing to say as it gives glory to satan.

JESUS verified that we are in the 70th Week in His Gospel = Believe JESUS

 

[The Light]

David, you should...

1. stop with the all caps.
2. stop with the "=" mathematical symbol.

Instead, compose your sentences as your English teachers in high school taught.

Jesus never said the 70th week was the gospel.

It would be correct to say that the gospel of the kingdom has been preached to all nations for the past 2000 years, having fulfilled what Jesus spoke of in Matthew 24:14.

The 69th week ended with Jesus's death on the cross. The 70th week has not begun yet, but will begin when the prince that shall come confirms the covenant for 7 years.

Douggg, what if the antichrist confirms a covenant with many AFTER the covenant has begun? In other words, if the covenant with many began last year and the Antichrist confirms it at the end of the this year...........wouldn't that be possible.

 

[Douggg]

Douggg, what if the antichrist confirms a covenant with many AFTER the covenant has begun? In other words, if the covenant with many began last year and the Antichrist confirms it at the end of the this year...........wouldn't that be possible.

Hi The Light,

Yes, if the Gog/Magog event takes place before the Antichrist confirms the covenant for 7 years.

I think your point and rationale is that the covenant must be in existence for the the Antichrist to confirm it, correct ?

The question then becomes what is the covenant referred to ?

My view is the covenant is the Mt. Sinai covenant that the Jews still go by. And that to be the Antichrist the person must be the King of Israel perceived messiah by the Jews. The Jews believe that the messiah must be anointed the King of Israel by a known prophet.

Since the Jews are also expecting Elijah the prophet to be a part of the messianic age, I think that the false prophet of Revelation 13 will probably be perceived by the Jews initially as either Elijah or the embodiment of Elijah.

Moses set forth the confirming of the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycles, that the leader of Israel have the law read to the nation of Israel on the feast of tabernacles (a fall feast) from the place of God's choosing - which the Jews currently take to be the temple mount.

The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 are the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following the Gog/Magog event. That event will make it possible for the Jews to remove the Dome of the Rock and the Al Asqa Mosque - something that is keeping the temple from being built at present.